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10-29-2012, 02:42 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: New York
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| Please Help- Seizure and/or Liver disease! Hi everyone! I just found this forum while researching some health issues my Morkie has been having. I am really hoping some of you can offer some advice and/or information. My nightmare began about 3 months ago. First, Just a little about my Pup: He's a 3yr old Morkie, named CRUZ- He's very much ALL yorkie. Hyper & Sweet and smiles too! Thinks he's the boss of the neighborhood! He loves to cuddle, play, his mommy, and treats. He's very well behaved, with the occasional sock hiding game under my bed. He was completely trained in 2 months -smart boy! Never bites, but loves to bark and act tough! Health: Up until about 3 months ago he was in perfect health! Never an issue, never an unplanned trip to the vet. Takes heartworm and gets his frontline monthly! July my little man experienced his first seizure. Did not last more then 2 mins, soiled the bed. Post seizure: very larthargic, confused, loss of vision (only a couple seconds- he bumped into the wall). I immediately brought him to the vet. By this time, he was starting to act like himself. The vet ran some blood test to make sure everything was normal so they could make sure nothing was causeing the seizure. Unfortunately, blood test came back abnormal with liver enzymes. A couple days later they administered a Bile Acid Test. His scores were Pre:3 & Post:29. Not too bad on the post result, I guess they should be <25. Out vet didnt seem too worried and said we could test again in 8 weeks. On 10/18, Cruz had another seizure. Between 2-2.5 mins. Last week they did another bile acid test and this time his scores were Pre:29 and Post:58. Out vet has now recommended we see a specialist to get an ultrasound for a possible liver shunt. I've been doing way too much research (keeping me up all hours of the night) and for what I am seeing his levels would be much higher if he had a Liver Shunt but could possible be have HMD. I don't really know too much about this disease or any! Anyone out there with a similar experience? We see the specialist Thursday for an ultrasound! However, my wiggly guy might not be the best patient for that. Please help! My morkie is my baby! (Sorry for the novel) |
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10-29-2012, 03:22 PM | #2 |
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| I can't be of any help other than to pray for you and your little guy, which I am doing God bless. Hopefully someone with knowledge will see this soon and be of some help to you. Welcome to YT.
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10-29-2012, 03:33 PM | #3 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: New York
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| Thank you so much! Some of the post have already helped so much, at least by keeping me calm and positive! |
10-29-2012, 04:58 PM | #4 |
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| Best wishes for you and Cruz. I hope the ultrasound helps your Vet figure out what is happening with your sweet boy. I found this site which has a lot of information about seizures. Dog Seizures Symptoms Hugs to you both.
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10-29-2012, 05:48 PM | #5 |
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| I just wanted to say you and Cruz will be in my prayers. Please keep us posted on the ultrasound.
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10-29-2012, 05:59 PM | #6 |
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| I don't know much about liver shunts, but thought they were in puppies only? Something about a vein not sealing itself off so the liver can't do it's job in cleaning the blood. If that's the case, he would have been showing symptoms much much younger. Again, I don't know much about shunts, but just my initial thoughts. Seizures are so scary. Scrappy started getting seizures and he ended up passing the same day they started. They were only about 30 secs long each. I would suggest get every test done that the specialist recommends, and if they can't find anything, please get him on meds that will keep the seizures under control. If he does have another seizure you have to hold him until it's over so he won't fall over and hurt himself. I'm so sorry you are going through this. It's such a helpless feeling and you want to help them but don't know how you can.
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10-29-2012, 06:19 PM | #7 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: New York
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| Thank you all so much for your prayers I will keep everyone updated after we meet with internal Medicine specialist Thursday. I too thought it was more common for shunts too show up when their puppies but then read about where there is type called acquired liver shunts, which result later in life. But then I also read a lot about HMD and some other liver diseases. The only symptoms he has is the 2 previous seizures and high bile acids, current he is running mad through the house with his toys I agree watching him have a seizure I never felt so helpless! |
10-29-2012, 07:06 PM | #8 |
YT Addict | I'm so sorry you are going through this. My Yorkie has been having some health issues lately so I understand how scary it can be. I'm so glad you found this site. There are some very knowledgable members on here that will be able to give you some very good advice. Whenever I am feeling helpless and scared I always turn to YT. Welcome..........and I will be sending lots of prayers out for your precious baby. Please keep us posted.
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10-29-2012, 07:25 PM | #9 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | Sorry to hear of Cruz's health issues. My Cali has a very mild case of MVD. Her Bile Acids were something like 0/45 and 0/78. After an ultrasound showed no external shunt I had a liver biopsy done when she was spayed. The biopsy showed a very mild case of MVD that required no treatment other than I keep her on a low protein diet. Cali was 8 months old when she was diagnosed. She's now 7 years old. Her vet does yearly blood work which has been good and treats her as liver compromised for any surgeries or medicines she has. As a puppy Cali was a terrible eater and had several episodes of hypoglycemia so they tested her for a liver shunt. She never had any seizures. I hope you can get some answers from the ultrasound. I would have the specialist test for seizure disorders too. Good luck and keep us posted. I will keep Cruz in my prayers.
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10-29-2012, 08:39 PM | #10 |
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| Seizures can be a secondary symptom of another issue. Its most important to rule out those innitial causes before the issues is A) deemed neurological B) then determined to be a neurological issue causing them secondary or epilepsy. My Elvis went through so mich testing everythong negative and nornal...he has cluster seizures and is epileptic. Foremost be seizure prepared. You need yo create a safe for seizures enviroment, if the cet did not send you with meds keep some karo handy yo gice after seizure-seizures drop blood sugar quickly this is life threatening especially in yorkies. Many dogs want to eat immediately after a seizure or drink excessively. Many say to wrao them in a towel-DONT. Give them a soft place wrapping can cause over heating. Never restrain just protect from injury. Ensuring the 'come out' is critical or you need to rush to the vet or ceterinary emergency center. This is all in the meantime advice untim the cause can be determined. Check all possible environmental culprits new foods plants treats etc Rosemary and other substances can trigger seizures in epileptics, also many dogs dont have symptoms of epilepsy until 2-4 years old... However it seems seizures may ve a secondary symptom of another health issue your baby is having. I hope you get answers quickly. Oh if the vet gave you meds choking while seizuring is a risk crush them and drop them in the mouth with a liquid ask vet for this option.
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10-30-2012, 04:46 AM | #11 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: New York
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| Wow thank you all for your support and prayers! Patti- I am so glad to hear that your Cali is doing so well with MVD, gives me hope. It just concerns me that I can't find any connection between MVD & Seizures. But also my Cruz doesn't fit any other symptoms of liver shunt. Hopefully answers Thursday! Shan- My vet did not give me medicine for Cruz. In July at the time of his first seizure he wasn't too worried. He said before we make any decisions about medicine he wanted to see what his pattern would be, if he would even have a pattern. Until his bile acids went up he was pretty sure Cruz was just going to be labeled as a idiopathic epileptic. Now with his Bile Acid's rising I guess we are back at square one. Thanks again everyone, I updated as soon as we meet with the specialist Thursday. Also- can anyone give me any info about an ultrasound? I am guessing they will call before the apt to tell me know if he has to fast or what not. I hope they have a special way to get them to lay still, because I am 100% Cruz will not be the best patient for that! |
10-30-2012, 09:54 AM | #12 |
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| I had the same with Elvis...no meds until pattern established and that was even after a neurology consult. I hate how that is the route, leaves us and them in limbo. Elvis had 4the ER trips getting Valium injections in the limbo time it was awful. So so so sorrt someone else abd their furbaby has to experience this.
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10-30-2012, 01:37 PM | #13 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | When Cali and my Pom had ultrasounds they had a technician hold them in place. It seems most dogs will sit still for a vet. I don't reall either of them having to fast but I would call and make sure. WHen my Pom, Maya had one of her ultrasounds (she had Cushing's disease and then liver failure so she had several) they called me in the back to show me while they were doing it what her liver looked like. She remained calm and she was a very hyper dog usually. I hope Cruz doesn't get to stressed and everything goes smoothly.
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10-30-2012, 02:04 PM | #14 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: New York
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| Thanks Patti! |
10-30-2012, 04:16 PM | #15 |
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| Awww poor baby. I have one with seizures and another with MVD. Both scenarios can be managed. Best wishes for you!
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