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Old 08-27-2012, 06:29 AM   #16
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I just had Heidi's rabies & DHLLP shot done last Thursday. She started acting a little lethargic & sensitive to touch shortly after we left the vet. She's never had a problem before. I told the vet I didn't want her to have the DHLLP shot and she acted very touchy & annoyed about the subject. She said I was "within my legal rights to decline the DHLLP, but it is required by law for her to have the rabies." I told her I was fine with the rabies, but was uncomfortable her taking the DHLLP. She went off on all the reasons why she should take it and its safe. So I got to thinking, well she is the vet and she's around this all time so she should know. I went ahead and did it. The next day Heidi seemed to be feeling worse and was feeling really hot to me. Took her back up there and sure enough she was running a high fever. The same vet wasn't there, but she was treated by another one who gave her a steroid shot. Within a couple of hrs her fever was almost gone, and by the next day she is back to herself. I learned my lesson! I'm not going to do that again. Makes you wonder what they are doing to these vaccines.
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The amount of dogs on here having reactions to vaccines now is concerning to me. You used to only here about it every great now and then. I trust my vet but I am going to be more proactive in the amount of vaccines my dogs get at one time. My vet does a combo shot
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The amount of dogs on here having reactions to vaccines now is concerning to me. You used to only here about it every great now and then. I trust my vet but I am going to be more proactive in the amount of vaccines my dogs get at one time. My vet does a combo shot
My vet does the combo as well. It seems to me like it has to be the company the vaccine is coming from. Even though my vet annoyed me by her attitude, still how are they going to know if the vaccine company says "this is the product" until lots more dogs get sick from it. They should just leave it alone if its working good. It was most likely some move they hoped would put more $ in the company's pocket.

Also, I meant to say to SamanthaKim & Donna (DBlain) that I'm glad BoBo & Lola are feeling better too. Poor babies.
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The amont of dogs i see that are having adverse reactions to vaccines is really concerning to me...What shots aside from rabies do they actually NEED? I have gotten so many different answers from different vets its unbelievable! I was also told by a friend that rabies should be good for three years not one! the vet i WAS using said every year! I'm in the process of looking for a new vet bc my vet pizzed me off so bad i wanted to b***h slap her!! Didn't want an assault charge so I took my dog and left. I simply asked why do they need a booster after puppy immunizations are done?
Maybe someone here could answer that for me, bc i dont understand.

I'm glad the two pups that had reactions are ok now.
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Like I said in my other thread, I give my own puppy shots....I have always used Pro-Gard 5 and never had an issue of ANY kind, including site sensitivity. Now they have combines 2 pharmaceutical companies and no longer make the Pro-Gard 5...they have re-mixed and are calling it Nobivac 1-cannine DAPPv. This is apparently a culpret that is causing higher than average reactions. I called the drug manufacturers, and they said they have not gotten any increase in adverse reaction reports from vets, which vets are apparently required by law to report. I am very fearful now and will be researching my options for the safety of my babies, before I have any more litters. I have used an additional parvo vaccine, Neo-Par, since my issue with parvo....my female gets a dose right before she is bred, then the newborns get a dose at 4 weeks...I understand this company has a vaccine out now that contains only some of the core vaccines....I will start researching there....
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Like I said in my other thread, I give my own puppy shots....I have always used Pro-Gard 5 and never had an issue of ANY kind, including site sensitivity. Now they have combines 2 pharmaceutical companies and no longer make the Pro-Gard 5...they have re-mixed and are calling it Nobivac 1-cannine DAPPv. This is apparently a culpret that is causing higher than average reactions. I called the drug manufacturers, and they said they have not gotten any increase in adverse reaction reports from vets, which vets are apparently required by law to report. I am very fearful now and will be researching my options for the safety of my babies, before I have any more litters. I have used an additional parvo vaccine, Neo-Par, since my issue with parvo....my female gets a dose right before she is bred, then the newborns get a dose at 4 weeks...I understand this company has a vaccine out now that contains only some of the core vaccines....I will start researching there....
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Oh gosh, poor Bobo. I'm glad hes doing better, but that is scary and sad for him and for you! My Dexter had a moderate allergic reaction to his vaccinations his first time also. Nothing that serious, but his little body was covered in hives and his eyes swelled shut, also he was screaming in pain when I touched the site of the shots, just petting him. From this point forward, we now do vaccines a week apart for him, he gets a pain shot before them and a shot of benedryl with them. This has worked for us. Your vet would I'm sure be more than happy to set up something like that. Its much safer for your baby that way. My Fletcher is bigger and had absolutely no reaction at all to the same shots (and they are brothers from the same liter!)
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The amont of dogs i see that are having adverse reactions to vaccines is really concerning to me...What shots aside from rabies do they actually NEED? I have gotten so many different answers from different vets its unbelievable! I was also told by a friend that rabies should be good for three years not one! the vet i WAS using said every year! I'm in the process of looking for a new vet bc my vet pizzed me off so bad i wanted to b***h slap her!! Didn't want an assault charge so I took my dog and left. I simply asked why do they need a booster after puppy immunizations are done?
Maybe someone here could answer that for me, bc i dont understand.

I'm glad the two pups that had reactions are ok now.
I'm so glad the OP's pup is doing better.....

I just wanted to provide some info for future reference to anyone who is overwhelmed by this issue.

The only vaccine required by law is the rabies vaccine ALL the others are voluntary. This is a link to check if your state requires the vaccine at one year or three year intervals. It also lets you know if your sate allows for exemptions.......If your pup has had a reaction it should not be subjected to another vaccine. The reactions tend to get worse with each additional vaccine administration.

RABIES LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES as of 6/16/10



Any vet telling you vaccines are needed annually or even tri-annually is clearly uneducated on the frequency of their need, or he/she has their own agenda for doing so. These have not been recommended for at least 10 years. I wouldn't trust a vet who is not up to date on this important issue, makes me wonder what else their not up to date on. There are studies by Dr. Schultz that show seven years for parvo and distemper....

Lifelong Vaccine Immunity -- Why Vets Are Pushing Back | Truth4Dogs


Vaccines carry risks just like any other medical procedure, you as the pet owner should be the one who declines or approves their use.

These sites have a lot of info concerning vaccines...

Truth4Dogs

Top Natural Holistic Dog Health Care Book: Multiple Award Winner

This explains why combo shots are a terrible medical procedure to allow your vet to use on your pup....

Combo Shots for Dogs: A Dangerous Convenience | Truth4Dogs

This explains what to do in case of a reaction.....

Your Dog's Vaccine Reaction: | Truth4Dogs

The reporting of adverse reactions is strictly voluntary, it is not mandatory. The stats has it at less than 5%. We have no idea how many dogs are effected without this critical info. If your pup has a reaction you must have this info put in your pups file. Document everything, including the vial lot number, the place, time and doctor who administered the vaccine. You should also insist the vet report it to the proper reporting place. You should also contact the manufacturer and report it....This explains it for you.....

Veterinary Adverse Event Voluntary Reporting

If you need a vaccine schedule that will give you some guidance as to what vaccines are important Dr. Dodds has one to print out. Note that after the one year vaccine she recommends titers, not boosters. There are now new inexpensive titer test the vet uses in office for this....

DR. JEAN DODDS' CANINE VACCINATION PROTOCOL ? 2010

I hope this is of help to anyone looking for some guidance. The linked dogs 4 dogs site has a lot additional info for those wanting more in depth info. I
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I'm so glad the OP's pup is doing better.....

I just wanted to provide some info for future reference to anyone who is overwhelmed by this issue.

The only vaccine required by law is the rabies vaccine ALL the others are voluntary. This is a link to check if your state requires the vaccine at one year or three year intervals. It also lets you know if your sate allows for exemptions.......If your pup has had a reaction it should not be subjected to another vaccine. The reactions tend to get worse with each additional vaccine administration.

RABIES LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES as of 6/16/10



Any vet telling you vaccines are needed annually or even tri-annually is clearly uneducated on the frequency of their need, or he/she has their own agenda for doing so. These have not been recommended for at least 10 years. I wouldn't trust a vet who is not up to date on this important issue, makes me wonder what else their not up to date on. There are studies by Dr. Schultz that show seven years for parvo and distemper....

Lifelong Vaccine Immunity -- Why Vets Are Pushing Back | Truth4Dogs


Vaccines carry risks just like any other medical procedure, you as the pet owner should be the one who declines or approves their use.

These sites have a lot of info concerning vaccines...

Truth4Dogs

Top Natural Holistic Dog Health Care Book: Multiple Award Winner

This explains why combo shots are a terrible medical procedure to allow your vet to use on your pup....

Combo Shots for Dogs: A Dangerous Convenience | Truth4Dogs

This explains what to do in case of a reaction.....

Your Dog's Vaccine Reaction: | Truth4Dogs

The reporting of adverse reactions is strictly voluntary, it is not mandatory. The stats has it at less than 5%. We have no idea how many dogs are effected without this critical info. If your pup has a reaction you must have this info put in your pups file. Document everything, including the vial lot number, the place, time and doctor who administered the vaccine. You should also insist the vet report it to the proper reporting place. You should also contact the manufacturer and report it....This explains it for you.....

Veterinary Adverse Event Voluntary Reporting

If you need a vaccine schedule that will give you some guidance as to what vaccines are important Dr. Dodds has one to print out. Note that after the one year vaccine she recommends titers, not boosters. There are now new inexpensive titer test the vet uses in office for this....

DR. JEAN DODDS' CANINE VACCINATION PROTOCOL ? 2010

I hope this is of help to anyone looking for some guidance. The linked dogs 4 dogs site has a lot additional info for those wanting more in depth info. I
Thank you so very much for this...was trying to figure out how to save this ...computor dumb! Finally sent it to myself so I have it. Thanks again!
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my vet will not do rabies with their vaccines, it is to much for the little ones
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Great post, B.J.

This is why I find vaccines so scary. Yes they are necessary in the beginning, but certainly not year after year, and even every 3 years is just too much.

It takes a lot to stand up to your vet though. Thankfully mine is not too pushy, I just say "we're going to pass on those today" and she usually listens.

Rabies is required by law. Most places it's every 3yrs, but in some states or counties, it is every year. So the only way to get out of it is if they have a medical waiver.

I'm sorry BoBo was so sick.
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From this thread, the two who posted problems and listed the combo vac given their pups... both contained the Lepto Vaccine. This is not a core vaccine, and if one is in an area that is plaqued by Lepto, it is best given as a separate vaccine, a month apart from all others. At this point in time, I am assuming this is the 'New and Improved' Lepto vac, so maybe there is still work that needs done to make it safe.

DHPP is a combo puppy/adult vaccine. Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, Parvovirus.

DHLPP or DHPPL... This is the same as DHPP but with added Lepto vac. L always means the vaccine contains Lepto.

The combo vaccs are made both ways. Sometimes clinics will run out of stock of DHPP and will use DHPPL or DHLPP in it's place. I always ask to see the vial before any injections are given to mine, and I will come back later when they have DHPP back in stock.

You may also see Cv on a combo vac. That is Corona Virus and is only effective on puppies 6-8 weeks of age. It'll look like DHPPLCv or DHLPPCv. For older puppies and adult dogs, this vaccine is unnecessary.

Each vaccine will stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against a particular disease or group of diseases. DHP and DHPP are also combo vacs, but I've only heard of one instance of a bad reaction to these (on YT).

It takes about one month (4 weeks) for a vaccine to do it's job. At two weeks after innoculation, the vaccine is at it's peak in the dog's system. This is why I wait 4 weeks between vaccinations.

I also never combine vaccines with surgeries, dentals, illnesses, or injuries, as these things also stimulate and rely on the body's immune system for healing.

Also, by waiting until the system is clear of one vaccine, the dog then has his whole immune system ready to work on the next vaccine, and his body gets a better, stronger response from the vaccine, because it's not already busy working on the other vaccine(s), or trying to recover from an illness, surgery, or injury.

Also, Bacterial vaccines don't last as long and need to be repeated more often such as Lymes, kennel cough, and Lepto. Last I checked, These were given at 6 month intervals, so yearly boosters are useless.

As for 'new' vaccines... I avoid them completely. I need to see at least 5 years on the market with minimal bad reactions. So, no Giardia vac, no Dental vac, no Lymes vac (questionable unexpected results of late), no dog flu vac, and no ProHeart 6 heartworm vac, and no intranasal Kennel cough...if mine needed it they would get a injection.

I just came across a fascinating article on revaccination:

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From this thread, the two who posted problems and listed the combo vac given their pups... both contained the Lepto Vaccine. This is not a core vaccine, and if one is in an area that is plaqued by Lepto, it is best given as a separate vaccine, a month apart from all others. At this point in time, I am assuming this is the 'New and Improved' Lepto vac, so maybe there is still work that needs done to make it safe.

DHPP is a combo puppy/adult vaccine. Distemper, Hepatitis, Parainfluenza, Parvovirus.

DHLPP or DHPPL... This is the same as DHPP but with added Lepto vac. L always means the vaccine contains Lepto.

The combo vaccs are made both ways. Sometimes clinics will run out of stock of DHPP and will use DHPPL or DHLPP in it's place. I always ask to see the vial before any injections are given to mine, and I will come back later when they have DHPP back in stock.

You may also see Cv on a combo vac. That is Corona Virus and is only effective on puppies 6-8 weeks of age. It'll look like DHPPLCv or DHLPPCv. For older puppies and adult dogs, this vaccine is unnecessary.

Each vaccine will stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against a particular disease or group of diseases. DHP and DHPP are also combo vacs, but I've only heard of one instance of a bad reaction to these (on YT).

It takes about one month (4 weeks) for a vaccine to do it's job. At two weeks after innoculation, the vaccine is at it's peak in the dog's system. This is why I wait 4 weeks between vaccinations.

I also never combine vaccines with surgeries, dentals, illnesses, or injuries, as these things also stimulate and rely on the body's immune system for healing.

Also, by waiting until the system is clear of one vaccine, the dog then has his whole immune system ready to work on the next vaccine, and his body gets a better, stronger response from the vaccine, because it's not already busy working on the other vaccine(s), or trying to recover from an illness, surgery, or injury.

Also, Bacterial vaccines don't last as long and need to be repeated more often such as Lymes, kennel cough, and Lepto. Last I checked, These were given at 6 month intervals, so yearly boosters are useless.

As for 'new' vaccines... I avoid them completely. I need to see at least 5 years on the market with minimal bad reactions. So, no Giardia vac, no Dental vac, no Lymes vac (questionable unexpected results of late), no dog flu vac, and no ProHeart 6 heartworm vac, and no intranasal Kennel cough...if mine needed it they would get a injection.

I just came across a fascinating article on revaccination:

Revaccination

kjc, you go girl! I also don't touch anything new on the market. I'm not about to be used as a guinea pig, or my pets for that matter. Just because there is a vaccine doesn't mean it should be used.

Thank you Brister, it's good to see others doing their homework. It's a darn shame we even have to be doing this in the first place. The vets are supposed to be guiding us, not the other way around. What a darn shame for the profession. As far as I'm concerned any vet promoting annuals or tri-annual vaccines is committing fraud by deception. ...Shameful.
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kjc, you go girl! I also don't touch anything new on the market. I'm not about to be used as a guinea pig, or my pets for that matter. Just because there is a vaccine doesn't mean it should be used.

Thank you Brister, it's good to see others doing their homework. It's a darn shame we even have to be doing this in the first place. The vets are supposed to be guiding us, not the other way around. What a darn shame for the profession. As far as I'm concerned any vet promoting annuals or tri-annual vaccines is committing fraud by deception. ...Shameful.
What bothers me most is new owners. Very typical to say 'Oh, vaccines... I'll let my vet tell me what's needed.

Heck, I'd love to say that myself, it would be so much easier.... but after all the reading of posts and articles on Yorkies, I think learning about vaccines is the single, most important thing any owner should do for their Yorkie, or any pet.

It's just as, actually more important as feeding them and buying a harness and leash. The very basics of what one needs to know to be a good Yorkie owner. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...
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