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09-10-2010, 01:53 AM | #1 |
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| searching for help with vomiting Pippin had an episode about 6 months ago with vomiting with blood in it. The vet did blood work and medication, and Pippin was better by the second day. He put him on Hills ID and he only gets some veggies as treats. The vet did not think it was pancreatitis. Three months later he had another episode. He gave him the antibiotics,and in a couple of days Pippin was better. It has been a little over two months and it happened again last Sunday. He vomited quite a bit the first day. The second day with medication he only threw up small amounts, kind of a pinkish foam. I've researched on YT again and read about probiotics. I got some from the vet yesterday. Last night about 3 o'clock he threw up a couple of times, just bile. Back to the vet today and he switched him to Amoxi drops, kept him on metronidazole, and gave me liquid metocloparmide to give when he throws up. He hasn't been lethargic the past few days, but a half hour ago he got off the bed and I heard him throw up again. It was yellow bile. I hurried and gave him the metoclopramide. He's sleeping like a lamb right now, and I'm wide awake trying to figure out what I can do next. I don't know if I should try a different food. The vet tells me he sees lots of dogs that have sensitive stomachs, but I think there has to be something I can do to prevent this from happening. He's just 3 years old and I've never had a young dog be sick like this. Any suggestions on what you would do next? Valerie |
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09-10-2010, 05:41 AM | #2 |
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| I'm sorry that I don't have any experience or information. I do know that they throw up bile when they are hungry, and am only assuming that is the case here. I wanted to BUMP your thread so that you can get some help.
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09-10-2010, 05:50 AM | #3 |
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| For ours it was Pancreatitis. Put her on Iams low Residue, was on it for 7 years until it was pulled last month. Now she is on Cairn Digestive and doing well. Scary when they do that. Both of her episodes happened with Marge out of town! |
09-10-2010, 05:53 AM | #4 |
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| possible IBD i am sorry to hear about your baby; this is exactly what happened to my dog; she had 6 episodes of vomiting blood and ended up in the ER every time because i couldn't stop it. she will stop eating and just vomit all day. so finally this year the vet did an endoscopy with biopsy to diagnose her and it was IBD (inflammatory bowel disease). her case was severe chronic IBD; this is a very serious disease that can't be cured but controlled with meds and diet. he put her on prednisone to bring down the inflammation and she couldn't tolerate any dog food ; prescription food or high quality food; i tried everything. her GI tract needed to heal so the only thing that worked for her was a bland diet; of ground turkey and oatmeal. by the way IBD dogs are sensitive to chicken, beef, rice and sometimes lamb. so you have to try a different protein; mine can eat turkey. so for now since ur dog keeps vomiting that means he's not tolerating the food. and since he had 3 episodes that means the inflammation is bad; it needs to be controlled. please talk to ur vet about IBD and see if he can give you anything. but for now you need to feed a bland homecooked diet and don't forget to add the probiotic. by the way antibiotic makes things worst because they kill the good bacteria too. speak to you vet. good luck
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09-10-2010, 05:53 AM | #5 |
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| mine was on low residue for 2 months then relapsed; do you know why they pulled it.
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09-10-2010, 06:14 AM | #7 | |
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although she can't tolerate any dog food; especially this low residue formula had corn grits in it; so i knew it wasn't going to work.
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09-10-2010, 06:19 AM | #8 |
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09-10-2010, 06:44 AM | #9 |
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| Thank you for the support and suggestions. This morning he acts like he is fine, but he has the past few mornings and then had the vomiting again at night. I fed Pippin some ID kibble around 9pm, and we go to bed around 11, so it wasn't an empty stomach. I would have thought that if this hadn't been going on for 5 days. I always feed him some more food in the evening or he will wake me up wanting to eat. He normally has a big appetite. Ally173 sent me the recipe and supplements that she used on her dog and I'm going to start Pippin on it tonight. I've read that this will continue to happen more frequently and in severity as it progresses. I can't watch him go through this again. Sunday he drank water and the next thing he was vomiting pink water. It is so scary. I'm going to try and read more on IBD. I love my vet but he hasn't had many suggestions. I called and asked about things I've read on YT, and he always says "That sounds like a good idea let's try that". Valerie |
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09-10-2010, 07:02 AM | #11 | |
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Will the diet you sent me be ok for Marley too? | |
09-10-2010, 07:05 AM | #12 |
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| is marley healthy and what are you curently feeding. the bland diet i sent you is temporary (few months) to reset and heal the GI system; however it's not balanced. you will need to speak to a nutritionist to balance it and feed it for a long time. that's why after feeding it for 5 monnths; i switched my dog to aunt jeni's food; it's balanced and made from fresh ingredients. it's meant to be fed raw but i slightly cook it and add oatmeal; so it's similar to the bland diet but it's balanced; it has veggies, ground bones and some nuts; you can read about it.
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09-10-2010, 07:33 AM | #13 |
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| What blood tests have been done? It is not normal and IMO the vet needs to take it more seriously. Be careful with supplements. Some can make them even more nauseous. A Spec cPL (while he is having an episode) needs to be done along with a vitamin B check (B12 and folate) to rule out small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. A bile acids test wouldn't hurt also. It should not be treated as idiopathic IBD until some other things are ruled out. My girl has similar vomiting symptoms at times, but she gets pancreatitis, has SIBO, and a liver issue. Treatment is not the same as it would be for IBD. BTW, not sure about the metocopramide thing. We have been told to use it on a schedule here (would start when Ellie gets sick), so that first vomit doesn't even happen (although it doesn't work well for her).
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09-10-2010, 09:14 AM | #14 |
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| i agree dont use any supplements at first; just the probiotics. later on when he's better you can think about it. at first i only used the probiotic (animal essential plant enzyme and probiotics have both digestive enzymes and probiotics); i also use ark natural gentle digest probiotic in the morning; then i added the seacure. this is just hydrolyzed fish protein that will help heal the GI (it contains omega 3 and glutamine). the metocopramide will help only if u think an attack is coming; i know that if ava will stop eating or burping a lot. but hasn't happened since i put her on that diet. thank god. you can ask you vet for a prescription for compazine suppositories; those work if your dog can't hold up any food or water. for a correct diagnosis IBD can only be tested via an endoscopy and biopsy.
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09-10-2010, 09:15 AM | #15 | |
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Since the worst of this seems to have passed is it too late to do the Spec cPL and a vitamin B check (B12 and folate)? The bloody vomiting was Sunday and Monday morning. | |
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