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Old 10-20-2005, 10:10 PM   #1
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Omg please I need everyones advice please!!

My new adoptie chihuahua Teddy has a raised lump (cyst)? that is some what bloody located along his skinny long leg below the bend in the leg (forearm?) area and it appears as if a patch of hair had been skinned in a perfect circle and is so tender He will not let me touch it and since I have more month at at the end of my money I cannot afford to to him to my vet as of yet! another 4 days! I am needing advice if there is a medicated soak that i can set him in to soothe it for him until I can get him to the vet my other delima is sami & tilly Im not sure if this is a contagious condition because that just would be so devasting for all my babys to catch it? at the present we all share one bed a guess you can say we sleep in a pack please take a look at teddys leg and see if possibly you recognize what this is? and have this happend to any of your pets and the possible outcome?
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:12 PM   #2
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I have never seen anthing like that sorry....maybe you couls use a credit card or post date a check for your vet?
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i have not seen anything like that either...... how long have you had the chi it isnt a new addition is it? and how quickly did the 'lump' come up?
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Oh it looks sore. He needs to have that checked out as soon as possible.
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My father was bitten by a brown recluse and almost lost his leg, but spider bites look like HUGE pimples at first and then they start turning black when the skin rotts. Did this just come up over night or were their signs of it when you got him? How long have you had this dog? It kinda looks like a tumor but that would not have come up over night. Get him to the vet immediately and ask for a payment plan or if you can pay them on pay day. He is suffering and if it were you, you would not wait until you could afford to go to the doctor. Any decent vet will not deny him treatment and will be glad to work something out with you.. Let us know how it goes!
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I have had teddy for three months now! and just a couple of days ago I had put on sweart shirts on both him and sami and there was nothing there?
when I removed his sweatshirt he yelped and I hugged him thinking I hurt him some how by removing his shirt then I saw that spot?? at first I thought well maybe since his shirt was left on them for a couple of days because it has been cold and they both use the doggy door during the night, I wanted them to be warm, I thought goodness maybe his sleave rub his leg raw? but it is so sore and I dont think that could have happened within the two days he was wearing his shirt. I am going to call the vet this morning and explain my situation maybe I can post date a check? I go into work at 10 am so I am going to call and hopefully they can see him ASP. I have never seen anything like this I even checked on line and thought maybe mites(mange) but it really didn't resemble what teddy has? I will keep you posted, thanks everyone
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:42 AM   #7
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Default histiocytoma

I just came back from the vet! and what she said she believes it to be a mass called histiocytoma. Most of the time these are benign. Sometimes they itch. Itchy tumors are sometimes mast cell tumors. Mast cell tumors sometimes look like histocytomas. Mast cell tumors tend to be malignant. Since this is a case where mistaken identity is possible Histocytomas will often go away on their own, so if the lump isn't itchy and has the typical appearance of a histocytoma. So they will do a culture next friday to make sure? she also found one on the bottom of his paw! So Hopefully this will help anyone who finds one of these lumps on their pet! but I will update after the culture to confirm this is what she suspects. hopefully this is not malignant!
thank you all for your assistance! she accepted a post dated check
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Thats awesome that you got to the vet! I hope every ones doing well!!!
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Default Cutaneous histiocytoma

Canine Cutaneous Histiocytoma

Josh R. Woods, DVM; Kenneth S. Latimer, DVM, PhD; Perry J. Bain DVM, PhD

Class of 2004 (Woods) and Department of Pathology (Latimer, Bain), College of Veterinary Medicine, University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602-7388


I found this information and thought it may be helpfull


Skin tumors are the most commonly diagnosed neoplasms in veterinary medicine.2 These neoplasms represent a diverse group of benign and malignant growths arising from a variety of cell types. Determining the origin of cutaneous neoplasms is often challenging, but is of paramount importance in many patients regarding therapeutic considerations.

Cutaneous histiocytoma is classified cytologically as a round cell tumor. Other members of this tumor group in dogs include mast cell tumor, cutaneous lymphoma, transmissible venereal tumor, and plasmacytoma. Treatment and prognosis for the various round cell tumors vary considerable. Therefore, accurate diagnosis is required.

Origin

The name "histiocytoma" implicates a benign neoplasm of monocytic cell lineage, but obscures the exact origin of these neoplastic cells. Histiocytes are mature macrophages that reside in connective tissue.12 They usually originate from blood monocytes which comprise about 5% of the circulating leukocyte population.

Research indicates that a variety of histiocytic proliferative disorders affect dogs. These include cutaneous and systemic histiocytosis, cutaneous histiocytoma, localized histiocytic sarcoma, and disseminated histiocytic sarcoma.1

Most evidence indicates that cutaneous histiocytomas are derived from a more specialized population of cells called Langerhans cells.6, 8, 9 Langerhans cells are a developmental subset of the antigen presenting cells known as dendritic cells. The development of dendritic cells is well described, and at least three major precursors are known; myeloid series, monocytic series, and a lymphoid series (Fig. 1).10


Figure 1. Schematic indicating the proposed lineage of Langerhans cell development from myeloid, monocytic, and lymphoid precursor cells.

Incidence

Cancer is one of the major causes of death in dogs.3, 7 There is a large amount of clinical information regarding clinical signs, diagnosis, and treatment of canine neoplasia; however, relatively little information exists on the incidence of many types of cancer in this species. It is well accepted that cutaneous neoplasms are among the most commonly observed forms of cancer in dogs. Furthermore, cutaneous histiocytoma has been reported to be the most common presentation of cutaneous neoplasia, and the most commonly observed form of cancer overall.6,7

Signalment

Canine cutaneous histiocytoma is most commonly observed in young dogs and tumor incidence drops precipitously after three years of age. While this tumor is most commonly observed in young dogs, most studies indicate that it is infrequently observed in older animals. Breeds at risk include Flatcoat Retrievers, English Bulldogs, Scottish Terriers, Greyhounds, Boxers, and Boston Terriers.

Gross Lesions

Cutaneous histiocytomas are generally observed by the practitioner as solitary, red, dome-shaped, sparsely haired nodules that appear rapidly (Fig. 2). They often are ulcerated, but are non-painful. The most common sites of tumor development include the head, pinna, and neck, especially in young dogs.3 More rarely, neoplasms may occur on the trunk and extremities, and frequently involve the feet and toes of older individuals (KSL, personal observation). Rarely, histiocytomas may arise in multiple sites.

The metastatic potential of histiocytomas has not been studied directly, but reports of tumor metastasis are rare. Death due to cutaneous histiocytoma has not been reported. It is generally accepted that this tumor does not readily metastasize, and should be considered benign.


Figure 2. Histiocytomas of the pinna (left) and foot (right) appear as red, raised, sparsely haired masses (Courtesy of Noah's Arkive, University of Georgia).

Diagnosis

Cutaneous histiocytomas may be readily diagnosed using a combination of clinical signs, signalment, and fine-needle aspiration cytology. Rarely, a histopathologic diagnosis may be required. In biopsy sections, histiocytomas are circumscribed, nonencapsulated dermal masses composed of sheets of round cells. Individual cells have a round to reniform nucleus with occasional nucleoli and moderate amounts of cytoplasm(Fig. 3). Increased mitoses, discrete necrosis, and infiltrates of small lymphocytes may be observed. Infrequently, cutaneous histiocytoma may be confused histologically with granulomatous inflammation, poorly granulated mast cell tumors, plasmacytomas, and cutaneous lymphosarcoma.2


Figure 3. Biopsy specimen of a histiocytoma composed of sheets of round cells. Scattered mitoses are present (Hematoxylin and eosin stain, courtesy of Noah's Arkive, University of Georgia).

Cytology

The various round cell tumors of dogs have distinct cytologic characteristics that are presented in Table 1. Additional information can be found in clerkship papers Canine Round Cell Tumors and Mast Cell Disease in Dogs and Cats: An Overview.

Table 1. Cytologic features of round cell neoplasms of dogs.

Feature Mast Cell Tumor Cutaneous Histiocytoma Transmissible Venereal Tumor Plasmacytoma Cutaneous Lymphoma
Nucleus Often obscured by purple granules Eccentric and oval to cleaved (butt cells) Round
Cordlike chromatin

Single nucleolus
Eccentric and round to oval
Binucleate and trinucleate cells

Anisokaryosis may be marked
Round to slightly indented nucleus
Finely stippled chromatin

Nucleolus Not seen unless cells poorly granulated Inconspicuous and small nucleoli Single prominent, blue nucleolus Occasionally to infrequently observed Multiple nucleoli
Cytoplasm Numerous purple granules Abundant, pale blue, non-vacuolated cytoplasm Moderate to abundant, pale blue cytoplasm with distinct vacuoles Moderate amount of medium to dark blue cytoplasm
Perinuclear clearing or Golgi zone
Small rim of dark blue, granular cytoplasm
Occasional cytoplasmic fragments seen

Other Characteristics Granules may stain poorly with Diff Quik stain
Eosinophils may be present
Usually single ulcerated mass
Lymphoid infiltrates may be present
Mitoses may be abundant
Secondary inflammation may be present
Typical plasma cells may be observed Multiple neoplasms usually present

The fine-needle cytologic characteristics of canine cutaneous histiocytoma have been well described and usually are diagnostic (Fig. 4).6 Histiocytoma cells have an eccentric, oval to reniform nucleus with occasional nuclear clefts. The chromatin pattern is finely granular and nucleoli are inconspicuous. Cells that contain nuclear clefts are sometimes referred to as "butt cells" because of their characteristic morphology (Fig. 5). The cytoplasm is abundant, lightly basophilic, and lacks vacuoles or granules.


Figure 4. Fine-needle aspirate of a histiocytoma containing cells with a round to oval nucleus and moderately abundant blue cytoplasm that lacks vacuoles and granules. A binucleated cell and mitotic figure are present (Wright stain, courtesy of Noah's Arkive, University of Georgia). Figure 5. Histiocytoma cell with a nuclear cleft and typical butt cell morphology.

Treatment and Prognosis

Note: Treatment of animals should only be performed by a licensed veterinarian. Veterinarians should consult the current literature and current pharmacological formularies before initiating any treatment protocol.

Most cutaneous histiocytomas regress spontaneously regardless of the course of treatment pursued.6, 9 Regression of the tumor has been correlated with infiltration of T- lymphocytes. This has been hypothesized to be a CD-8 T-cell mediated phenomenon based on the infiltration of this cellular subset and expression of major histocompatability complex class II antigens.6

Initial surgical excision usually is curative; however, a second surgical excision may be necessary for complete cure on rare occasions.1, 6 Due to the high rate of surgical cure and the probability of spontaneous regression, few studies have been done addressing alternate forms of therapy. Infection of ulcerated lesions on the surface of the neoplasm is probably the primary indication for surgical intervention.

Summary

Cutaneous histiocytomas are benign round cell tumors of Langerhans cell origin. Neoplasms are seen predominantly in young dogs, but can occur in older dogs. These neoplasms usually appear as small, red, raised, sparsely haired nodules that often have an ulcerated surface. They are observed most commonly on the head and neck, but may occur on the trunk and limbs, including the feet and toes. Diagnosis can generally be sufficiently made on the basis of history, signalment, and fine-needle aspiration cytology. In some instances, histopathology may be required for a definitive diagnosis. Most histiocytomas regress spontaneously without treatment; however, surgical excision is usually curative. These neoplasms rarely metastasize and the prognosis for non-recurrence is excellent.
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Wow! I've never seen this before. Thanks for the enlightenment. So very interesting.
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Hello did you take him to the vet yet? was wondering what they said.
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Hello did you take him to the vet yet? was wondering what they said.
hi yorkie shadow yes i did and what she said she believes it to be a mass called histiocytoma. Most of the time these are benign. Sometimes they itch. Itchy tumors are sometimes mast cell tumors. Mast cell tumors sometimes look like histocytomas. Mast cell tumors tend to be malignant. Since this is a case where mistaken identity is possible Histocytomas will often go away on their own, so if the lump isn't itchy and has the typical appearance of a histocytoma. So they will do a culture next friday to make sure? she also found one on the bottom of his paw! So Hopefully this will help anyone who finds one of these lumps on their pet! but I will update after the culture to confirm this is what she suspects. hopefully this is not malignant!
I also posted some info on this condition on top of the page2 just in case someone might run into this problem!
thank you for checking up on him
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