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04-29-2010, 04:02 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Smiths Station, AL
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| Seizures???? Please help!! Hello all, I have two 15 wk little girls that seem to be having what looks to be like seizures. They will start shaking and then their back legs will straighten out. This is when they have been playing together. It lasts just a short minute or two and then they are fine and go back to playing. I have taken them to two different vets. The first avenue they have sent me down on is hypoglycemia. I make sure to keep dry dog food in their cage at all times (Eukanuba) and at morning and night I give them the dry mixed with beef or turkey baby food. They eat this just fine although in trying to monitor them more closely it seems they are not eating much at all of the dry during the day. Yesterday I took them back to the vet and they took blood to run a superchem (Antech Labs). They are litter mates and the person I purchased them from says that the others are not having similar problems. I am at a total loss and scared as to what the answer could be... I had a yorkie for 17 yrs and do not want to go through the heartache again. If anyone has some insite please, please let me know!!!! |
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04-29-2010, 04:14 AM | #2 |
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| If they aren't eating much during the day they will need to be encouraged (forced) to. They need to eat three times a day bare minimum and because they are small and there is a hypo concern, likely much more than three. The next step would probably be bile acids testing for liver function. This isn't entirely accurate until 20 weeks of age, but you may need to do it now. Everything else is normal? Stool checked, etc.? What vaccines have they received?
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04-29-2010, 04:26 AM | #3 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Smiths Station, AL
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| Thank you, thank you for your reply! (I am really so scared of all the what ifs!!) I should get their lab results today. They are going to the bathroom just fine. They play just fine. We spent an hour with the vet yesterday and she said that looking at them physically they are great. They received their 3rd set of vaccines 4/23. |
04-29-2010, 04:50 AM | #4 |
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| IM sorry you are going thru this with your baby girls. Are they really small? Testing is always a good idea, but in the mean time just in my opinion and until they get older. I think Id give them some canned food in the am too, for an extra sugar boost thru the day. I donthave puppies with hypoglycemia very often, but I had a lil girl do the same thing. I wouldnt sell her because she was having just like you said the shaking and stiff legs. I increased her canned food while this went on, now she is totally on dry with never a problem! Now I love her and she is my baby. I can never sell her! Hope its all just as minor as that a solution for you! Last edited by luvdorkyyorkies; 04-29-2010 at 04:52 AM. |
04-29-2010, 07:56 AM | #5 |
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| What you are describing doesn't sound like a typical seizure, although there are "partial" seizures that effect just one part of the body. Partial seizures: Partial seizures are also called focal seizures and as the name indicates, the electrical storm is affecting only a part of the brain. A partial seizure may stay localized or it may expand to the whole brain and cause a tonic-clonic seizure. Because the seizure starts in only a part of the brain, an underlying disease or injury is highly suspected. A partial seizure may remain localized or spread to other parts of the cerebral cortex producing a sequential involvement of other body parts. Partial seizures are classified as simple focal seizures when consciousness is preserved and as complex focal seizures when consciousness is altered. Any portion of the body may be involved during a focal seizure depending on the region of the brain affected. PARTIAL OR FOCAL SEIZURES I would definitely get bile acids tests done on both puppies. They should be done on all non-symptomatic Yorkies at around six months since the incidence of liver shunts is so high in the breed. Dr. Center recommends symptomatic puppies be tested earlier. At 15 weeks they are old enough. Let us know the lab results when you get them, okay? |
04-29-2010, 11:26 AM | #6 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| Agree'd ~ if they aren't eating enough during the day, you must force it. Play a game, toss some kibbles... I am not found of Euk. I think there are better qualities brands (Wellness, Merrick, Halo) just to name a few. Maybe they aren't fond of Euk either. Next I would do Bile Acids (soon), as Liver Shunt and MVD are very common in the Yorkie breed. Please keep us posted |
04-29-2010, 11:31 AM | #7 |
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| Sorry you are going through this with both of your babies. I'm glad you found YT as there is a wealth of information here. I would do what the others suggested. When you get the test results back, I would let the breeder know if something does come back positive. Most of them will say none of their others are experiencing the same thing....doesn't mean there still isn't some genetic issue in her/his lines for breeding. I'm surprised they're not showing a little more concerned about their babies they just sold to you in recent weeks.... I hope everything comes back okay and they have happy, long lives with you!
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05-01-2010, 05:22 AM | #8 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Smiths Station, AL
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| Thanks once again to your responses!! I truly appreciate everyone’s input and advice. Here are the lab results (posting just the abnormalities every thing else is normal): Bella alkaline phosphatase 181 (5-131) BUN/Creatinine Ration 36 (4-27) Creatinine is normal at 0.7 Platelet Count 468 (170-400) Lymphocytes 4508 (690-4500) Crystal alkaline phosphatase 141 (5-131) BUN/Creatinine Ration 37 (4-27) Creatinine is normal at 0.6 Phosphorus 7.3 (2.5-6.0) Calcium 11.8 (8.9-11.4) Platelet Count 459 (170-400) Note added by the lab vet on Crystal’s report: Hemolysis 1+ the following results may be affected by this degree of hemolysis: -Increase- ALT my be increased by 15-20% AST may be increased by 10% LDH may be increased up to 20% -Decreased- Direct Bilirubin may be increased up to 80% Lymphs This is a preliminary report. Cell counts and/or differential results are subject to change pending pathologist’s review. Path Review The leukocytes are generally not remarkable but there are a few slightly reactive lymphocytes. These are likely present in response to recent antigenic stimulation or inflammation but their presence should be monitored. The thrombocytosis is probably reactive. Cathy Thorn DVM, DVSC, DIPL ACVP |
05-01-2010, 05:56 AM | #9 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| I don't know what those results indicate... I thought they were going to do a Bile Acid Serium though |
05-01-2010, 06:10 AM | #10 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Smiths Station, AL
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| No they did the superchem (basic work up) first to see what they saw. I am looking on the web now trying to see what the abnormals all add up to and because they are not way out of range these can be normal, especially after just having had their shots. BUT the seizures are not and that is what concerns me! My one vet has told me that she things I need to go to a more specialized vet instead of just the normal neighborhood vet. I feel like a monster but I am scared of how much money I will then have to spend. My money maker tree is not producing I am going to look up more info on liver shunt issues. |
05-01-2010, 06:17 AM | #11 | |
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A specialist may need to be seen, but first do a BAT with your General Vet | |
05-01-2010, 06:19 AM | #12 | |
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05-01-2010, 06:40 AM | #13 | |
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I agree. Did you get a health guarantee with your puppies? Hopefully the breeder will honor it and help with the cost of the testing. A typical blood chemistry panel usually includes | |
05-01-2010, 07:51 AM | #14 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Smiths Station, AL
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| I have spent the better half of the morning on the internet researching info on PSS. I feel so overwhelmed and plainly just devastated! They are just babies!! As I previously posted I had had a yorkie for 17 years. She was so special to me and when I finally had to make the decision to put her down to say it was and is heartbreaking is an understatement!!!! It has been over a year and I still have my moments. My son who is 12 had been bugging me to get a new puppy. I always new that if I got another one I would get two together so they would have friends. I just wanted babies to love!! I don’t mean to whine but this is very painful! Thanks for listening…. |
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