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03-03-2010, 06:36 PM | #1 |
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| 6mo MORKIE possible LS?????? Hi YT...I will keep this short...I got a call from an old co worker of mine and here is the short.. Christmas Eve her pup was rushed to ER, b/c it wasn't eating, vomitting, walking walls, whinning...the ALT was 252. Overnight stay w/ fluids, discharged home with l/d food and Adensyl 1xday 100 mg. They had a check up w/ their vet (Banifeild) y-day. (I was able to send her some info that i read here about BAT testing for LS. so perhaps vet would recommend it ALT was in the 800, the vet suggested that an ultra sounds was in order and if surgery was needed it would be over $3K. They asked about BAT testing as an option and vet said with ALT that high it was the liver She told me that her pup has not displayed any symptoms, eats her meals, runnning, playing and being active. The only that changed is the pup started pooing and peeing in her cage...MIND YOU 6mo OLD. She got the pup at just over 8wks old, from parents at her kids school who had an accidential liter, they have been to their home and they are not breeders. When she told them what was going on they felt terrible, but said they weren't aware of any illness while they had pup...(OK, it was only 8wk) I can see that I told her about this site an hope she joins, I read alot about Dr. Davis (i hope thats right) you all recommend for LS wasn't there like 2 schools...i swear spends HOURS on this site but now when i want pass the info on to help someone make good decisions i can't find it I wanna say DWERTEN is a source for LS pups, i searched for her post (prob not doing search right) but i see she hasn't been on in few, hope she okay Does this sound like LS to you all? Thanks bunches
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03-03-2010, 06:42 PM | #2 |
I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY
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| She really needs to have BAT testing done first and NOT at Banfield. She needs to go somewhere where they will send the tests out and get exact pre and post numbers and where they know what they are doing and how to administer the test. In the meantime the pup should be on a low protein diet, if the pup has had no symptoms yet, something under 22% protein should be fine. An ultrasound is really a waste of money... it MAY show a shunt, likely it will not and it will tell nothing if it is MVD or something else. Edit to Add: if this pup has had no symptoms since xmas eve... I really think she can slow down and take this one step at a time... find a good vet and get BAT testing done... once she has concrete numbers to work with she can go from there.
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03-03-2010, 06:48 PM | #3 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
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| It seems odd to me that the vet did not do BAT testing to make this diagnosis. I'm no expert but when they ruled out LS in my dog Teddy a few months ago, the protocol was to do a BAT right after general chemistry. This was the same protocol for Daisy. Seems to me that the $80 blood test would be worthwhile. I'd take the dog to an internist - and go from there. I'd drop the Banfield vet myself and opt to go to a specialist. I question an 800 ALT reading after it was 252 when the dog had symptoms back at xmas. So I'd repeat chemistry (again, not at Banfield where they probably did it in house which is totally unreliable due to errors in testing). She should get to a specialist to rule this out.
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03-03-2010, 07:01 PM | #4 |
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| I question an 800 ALT reading after it was 252 when the dog had symptoms back at xmas. So I'd repeat chemistry (again, not at Banfield where they probably did it in house which is totally unreliable due to errors in testing). I was thinking Banifeild may not even do BAT, and the reason they suggested ultra sound. I did suggest NOT going back to Banified. AND YES, this was done in house, I questioned that too, b/c from what i read on here, blood work needs to go out to a real lab.... In the meantime the pup should be on a low protein diet, if the pup has had no symptoms yet, something under 22% protein should be fine. Is Sci. Diet l/d a low protein??? if this pup has had no symptoms since xmas eve... Other than the ALT going from 252 to over 800 y-day???
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03-03-2010, 07:08 PM | #5 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
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| Science diet L/D is typically prescribed for dogs with LS and MVD. My dog Daisy unfortunately has to eat L/D. The ALT seems messed up to me. I'm not sure though. Daisy has MVD and she was in the 300s before going on L/D and now she is around the 170s. I'm not sure how high it goes in a L/S dog. Debbie (Dwerten) will prob know this and she is usually popping on so maybe she can answer.
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03-03-2010, 07:09 PM | #6 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
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| Also, the ultrasound should be done by a SPECIALIST not Banfield. The owner is just going to end up paying double for everything. I've been there and it's annoying. Meaning I've been in that position (not that I've been to Banfield).
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03-03-2010, 07:10 PM | #7 |
I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY
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| Is Sci. Diet l/d a low protein??? yes, sorry I missed that the pup was already on that. if this pup has had no symptoms since xmas eve... Other than the ALT going from 252 to over 800 y-day??? [/COLOR] if she isnt seeing physical symptoms (lethargy, pressing head into wall, spinning in circles) I meant. Thats not to say that she shouldnt get on finding out what is wrong... I just think doing something like an ultrasound is a waste of time and money.
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03-03-2010, 07:21 PM | #8 |
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| ArmaniMan THANKS for you replies. I'll be talking to her tomorrow and hopefully she'll become another YT member and the info and experiences will help her with this situation. 107barney Thanks, I'm hoping D will jump on, she posted a yahoo forum I've seen in her post many times for member dealing with LS.. Like i said can't find it when you want it...go figure
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03-03-2010, 07:31 PM | #9 |
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| in yahoo search for this group: Liver_Shunt_And_MVD_Support
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03-04-2010, 11:40 AM | #10 |
Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Largo, FL
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| Update...on blood work Ok, she just emailed me a copy of the blood panels from Jan and March (the other day)....(her work will not allow her to get on YT) I'm not sure what's good/bad/indifferent...Are there certain numbers i could post on here that soemone would be able to offer help or advise with????... She said there are no "symptoms" other than loose poo, ocassionally, She is on L/D and the meds... Thanks for any input you can offer..
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03-04-2010, 11:49 AM | #11 | |
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| uh o Quote:
I really value your opinions so... whats up with banfield? are they bad? I know you'll tell me like it is. | |
03-04-2010, 12:55 PM | #12 | |
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If you like your vet and your pups has no problems, there is no reason not to stick with Banfield... as long as you are putting your foot down on vaccines and not letting them give a whole panel of them at once.
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03-04-2010, 12:57 PM | #13 | |
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First and foremost, a BAT needs to be done, and NOT at Banfield, as they DO NOT send it out to a Lab, they do it in-house and the results do not go any higher than 30, so it is a WASTE of time and money. The episode she had sounds like it could be liver related or even a hypo attack. The best advice you can give is to get this pup to a NEW VET for a BAT | |
03-04-2010, 03:39 PM | #14 |
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| New vet .....yeah I called my vet who will be able to perform the BAT test for her pup... She is hoping to get in this weekend for the "initail" appt, which she will bring the past 2 blood panels for them to review and then schedule from there No more Banfield visits....hopefully, fingers crossed, and PAW'S, that the BAT results prove the Banfield panels to be WRONG!!!
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03-04-2010, 04:43 PM | #15 |
Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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| You can do a search on YT...there are tons of threads on Liver Shunt and here are some websites. I would not use Banfield for anything... Liver_Shunt_And_MVD_Support : Liver Shunt & MVD/HMD Support Yahoo! Groups: Search Results Liver Shunt Liver Shunt Research Updates and Notices Liver Shunt Stories The Original Terri Shumsky Liver Shunt Fund Liver Shunt Information on Liver Shunt & Other Diseases WHAT ARE PORTOSYSTEMIC SHUNTS? Dealing With Liver Shunts in Puppies Maltese discussion forum home > Scarey news - now what do we do? Spoiled Maltese - the largest maltese dog forum and website
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