More Diarrhea-ick!

[yorkiebaby123]

My puppy has been suffering from acute diarrhea, she has bouts of it for a day or two at a time, every couple of wks. The vet doesnt know what it is, all tests are fine, blood, stool, etc.... but we've switched her to Hills ID for a few months now. Still she gets it every few weeks, so when that happens, the vet has me put her on meds for 5 days, and she is always fine after 2. Last night she got into some buttered egg noodles, and then she had diarrhea all night. Our other yorkie had NO problems but I'm hoping this is just a sensitive stomach issue or something she will grow out of. Does anyone know if the noodles she got into would harm her in that way? She also is being trained on Puperoni with our dog trainer, but maybe thats too harsh for her? She gets that every day and doesnt have issues everyday, but maybe thats too much for her tummy in general?

Thanks!

[linda44]

I would keep going to the vet. I have one boy who has a very sensitive stomach, and really bad alergies to boot. I finally have him on prescibed alergy food and treats. He gets nothing else but veggies, and then its only tiny bits at a time. The medication we have had go 10 days. Its really important to keep them on the meds for the full 10 day period, otherwise it reoccurs. Has the vet done stool tests?

[xoxodoglover89]

It could be her tummy. I've learned from people on YT that maybe giving her some canned pumpkin (the real stuff, not pie filling) sometimes can help. If she has a sensitive tummy, maybe trying some boiled chicken and white rice could work. I hope she feels better.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

My puppy has been suffering from acute diarrhea, she has bouts of it for a day or two at a time, every couple of wks. The vet doesnt know what it is, all tests are fine, blood, stool, etc.... but we've switched her to Hills ID for a few months now. Still she gets it every few weeks, so when that happens, the vet has me put her on meds for 5 days, and she is always fine after 2. Last night she got into some buttered egg noodles, and then she had diarrhea all night. Our other yorkie had NO problems but I'm hoping this is just a sensitive stomach issue or something she will grow out of. Does anyone know if the noodles she got into would harm her in that way? She also is being trained on Puperoni with our dog trainer, but maybe thats too harsh for her? She gets that every day and doesnt have issues everyday, but maybe thats too much for her tummy in general?

Thanks!

Buttered egg noodles????? This would definitely cause diarrhea. There's nothing wrong with people food, but it has to be carefully selected. Butter is the likely culprit. Avoid foods high in fat. Puppies don't like changes in their diet, find a food and stick with it. Diarrhea is a result of too much variety. While an older dog may not experience the diarrhea, fatty foods can cause pancreatitis. Puperoni is not a snack I would use, for training tiny amounts of food should be given. I used cheerios when Joey was a puppy; they are just the right size. The point is you need something tiny when training and healthy as possible. Now I use his regular food for training, and also green beans.

[Wylie's Mom]

If she has been on Hills ID for months w/ no change - I'd get her off of it. What is the protein in that food? And, what is the protein in her former foods that caused the same problems? What is the protein in Pupperoni? If there is a common protein or ingredient, you then want to look for a new, novel protein for her. And stick to only that protein for everything, for at least 3 months.

The noodles won't hurt her, but butter can easily give loose stools.

Has the vet done a fecal test? What is the med you're using?

[Nikis2]

I have seen this situation often in yorkie babies. I have found that it is from the preservatives in the foods you are feeding a lot of the time. I only give mine organic food and treats. I have never had any luck with the food from the vet. I would STOP everything you are feeding her and start over again. I cook chicken sweet potatoes and green beans a 1/3 of each. The puperoni treats are nothing but chemicals that would not be good for a small dog especially not one with a sensitive belly. I always keep Kero syrup, Pepto Bismol and Calcionate syrup in the house at all times for when they start feeling bad. Has your vet given the baby any liquid Albon for the diarrhea and to make sure you don't have anything bacterial going on. I would also make sure I had Pedialite down for the baby to drink. You certainly don't want her to get dehydrated when she isn't feeling well. Good luck I no how useless we can feel when our babies get sick and don't no what to do.....Hugs to all

[yorkiebaby123]

Yeah the noodles were an accident, and we pretty much knew we were in for a bad night with that. But at least i know now that it was probably the butter that did her in, so i actually feel better knowing that since i cant figure anything else out! The puperoni we give them is VERY small, we do small shavings of it b/c we are doing training courses with them. I just bought another brand that has the same texture but is all-natural, so im going to try them on that in a few days.

I want to take them BOTH off ID, but we've had trouble every time we've tried switching the puppy off. Since one of them is a puppy still, she requires a different formula than our older yorkie so our vet told us to put them both on it so the puppy cant get into her big sisters food and vice versa. Should i just wait until our puppy is a year (May) and try to switch them off together to an adult formula? Our oldest is NOT a fan of the ID unless its the canned food, and i feel so bad that they are on it. But how can I even switch our puppy off the ID if she is still not completely stable on it? I feel like im destroying this poor baby's digestive system! Our oldest yorkie can tolerate anything, she is pretty solid and doesnt have bad reactions should she get into some human food, but our baby cant tolerate a thing. I need to find a human food or some REALLY special treat to give them (for one of our commands they are learning) and I dont know what to give her! She doesnt like carrots, gets diarrhea with apples, chicken and rice still dont stop her diarrhea, so im at a loss! Whats bland enough but still good enough for them to be a REALLY great but only special occassion treat??

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Nikis2

I have seen this situation often in yorkie babies. I have found that it is from the preservatives in the foods you are feeding a lot of the time. I only give mine organic food and treats. I have never had any luck with the food from the vet. I would STOP everything you are feeding her and start over again. I cook chicken sweet potatoes and green beans a 1/3 of each. The puperoni treats are nothing but chemicals that would not be good for a small dog especially not one with a sensitive belly. I always keep Kero syrup, Pepto Bismol and Calcionate syrup in the house at all times for when they start feeling bad. Has your vet given the baby any liquid Albon for the diarrhea and to make sure you don't have anything bacterial going on. I would also make sure I had Pedialite down for the baby to drink. You certainly don't want her to get dehydrated when she isn't feeling well. Good luck I no how useless we can feel when our babies get sick and don't no what to do.....Hugs to all

Thank you!! I'm going to have to get them off this asap. So i should just cook human food for a while? How long should I do that? What do I switch them to? The Dr has her on meds but i dont know the name off hand, its at home. She only wants her on it for 5 days at a time when she has these bouts. She said that unless she is lethargic or not hungry or not active, its nothing serious right now. She is SO active and happy, just really gross poop! Wait Pedialite like for children? I've never given them that, anything i should know about that before getting it at the store?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

Yeah the noodles were an accident, and we pretty much knew we were in for a bad night with that. But at least i know now that it was probably the butter that did her in, so i actually feel better knowing that since i cant figure anything else out! The puperoni we give them is VERY small, we do small shavings of it b/c we are doing training courses with them. I just bought another brand that has the same texture but is all-natural, so im going to try them on that in a few days.

I want to take them BOTH off ID, but we've had trouble every time we've tried switching the puppy off. Since one of them is a puppy still, she requires a different formula than our older yorkie so our vet told us to put them both on it so the puppy cant get into her big sisters food and vice versa. Should i just wait until our puppy is a year (May) and try to switch them off together to an adult formula? Our oldest is NOT a fan of the ID unless its the canned food, and i feel so bad that they are on it. But how can I even switch our puppy off the ID if she is still not completely stable on it? I feel like im destroying this poor baby's digestive system! Our oldest yorkie can tolerate anything, she is pretty solid and doesnt have bad reactions should she get into some human food, but our baby cant tolerate a thing. I need to find a human food or some REALLY special treat to give them (for one of our commands they are learning) and I dont know what to give her! She doesnt like carrots, gets diarrhea with apples, chicken and rice still dont stop her diarrhea, so im at a loss! Whats bland enough but still good enough for them to be a REALLY great but only special occassion treat??

Are you saying she gets the diarrhea every couple of weeks even though nothing besides the Hills and Puperoni are given? Remember, any new food added can cause diarrhea, even a healthy food, that why it's recommended that when switching food, you go slowly, and even slower for those with a sensitive stomach.

[Wylie's Mom]

As I said in my previous post, you really *must* look at ingredient lists. Not texture, not brands - ingredients. And then you have to eliminate the ingredients that have irritated her up until now (ie, get something different).

Why would you wait "until she is stable on ID" to get her off of it? If she's been on it for months and is still having diarrhea, that's a sign to get her off asap, before her health continues to deteriorate. Chronic issues w/ diarrhea is very debilitating for the entire body.

1) You should look at current/past ingredients.
2) Have a fecal test - has she had more than one?
3) What med has she been given?

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

As I said in my previous post, you really *must* look at ingredient lists. Not texture, not brands - ingredients. And then you have to eliminate the ingredients that have irritated her up until now (ie, get something different).

Why would you wait "until she is stable on ID" to get her off of it? If she's been on it for months and is still having diarrhea, that's a sign to get her off asap, before her health continues to deteriorate. Chronic issues w/ diarrhea is very debilitating for the entire body.

1) You should look at current/past ingredients.
2) Have a fecal test - has she had more than one?
3) What med has she been given?

Yep, still diaehhea every 2-3 wks even just on ID and her treats. The problem is, you never know what crumbs they pick up or what they may have licked that is causing a reaction too. I'm going to go through all her foods, current and old and see what ingredients are consistant.

The reason we have kept her on the ID is b/c its the only food that she can tolerate for any given amount of time. Even if its just a few weeks. We tried switching her about 2 months ago, SOOO slowly, and it happened again. Our vet told us to do it again, even slower, and had her on meds while we did it. No luck once the mesd stopped. The ID at the time was the only thing that would help bind her up, but its still temporary.

Even the old standby chicken and rice stopped working. Again, its not that she has it every day, its just that every few wks, she gets it for 1-2 days.

Ironically, we had her on Royal Canin when we got her and she was fine, but we were VERY stupid and wanted them both to be on the same all-stage food bc they were eating each others formulas and our oldest was getting fat and our baby was not gaining, so we switched her off and thus, our months of food drama began and we couldnt get her back on correctly.

Thanks for all your help, im going to really start researching some healthier all natural food, there are just too many choices and everyone has such different opinions!

Oh, to answer your question, yes, i made them do 3 fecel tests (over a two month period) as well as blood tests and everything is normal.

[Ellie May]

First, the adult without the issues really shouldn't be on a prescription food. I/D shouldn't hurt but there are better choices.

If the vet was worried about the pup getting into the other dog's food, then the pup should be exclusively eating I/D (no treats of any kind). If the pup hasn't been doing well on I/D with no treats, the food does need to be switched.

What food was she on before this?

Never mind.
I see you answered my question already.

This sounds a lot like Ellie by the way.

What blood work has been done?

You can't get her back on RC?

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

First, the adult without the issues really shouldn't be on a prescription food. I/D shouldn't hurt but there are better choices.

If the vet was worried about the pup getting into the other dog's food, then the pup should be exclusively eating I/D (no treats of any kind). If the pup hasn't been doing well on I/D with no treats, the food does need to be switched.

What food was she on before this?

Yes you are right, the oldest doesnt need to be on the ID, our Dr just told us it wouldnt hurt her and its still a complete diet. We were just trying to not complicate the situation by giving them different foods. Also, we had another medical issue in b/w this where our dogs were both uncontrollably salivating and our oldest had to be hospitalized for a night, so our Vet wanted her on ID for that reason. That issue was never resolved either, but they have not had that problem since. Anyway, we always had our oldest on Royal Canin. When we got our pup, she was on LIfes Abundance. We switched her to RC puppy formula b/c we couldnt get the L.A. in the store. She was fine, but they were eating each others food and the oldest was getting fat and the youngest was not gaining, so our vet said we could do an "all-stage" food. We figured, OK, lets just get L.A. since its all-stage and our breeder had her on it. NO LUCK. She did NOT tolerate it anymore. We tried re-introducing with the help of the vet and thats when they just said, lets get her stable and put her on ID.

[yorkiebaby123]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

First, the adult without the issues really shouldn't be on a prescription food. I/D shouldn't hurt but there are better choices.

If the vet was worried about the pup getting into the other dog's food, then the pup should be exclusively eating I/D (no treats of any kind). If the pup hasn't been doing well on I/D with no treats, the food does need to be switched.

What food was she on before this?

Never mind.
I see you answered my question already.

This sounds a lot like Ellie by the way.

What blood work has been done?

You can't get her back on RC?

Oh gosh, they tested her for EVERYTHING, im not even sure, when they were salivating, we were doing every test under the sun along with ultra sounds and xrays! But since we were still working with the vet on the eating issue, she was also looking for signs on her organs that could show her any problems for that issue too.

I'd put them back on RC (but i have to check their ingredients too now b/c maybe its the same!) but im literally scared out of my MIND to switch to anything. Whats my safety if it doesnt work? Chicken doesnt seem to do the trick....how long do i try before i know its not working? Is ANY diarrhea normal during a transition? Am i being paranoid??

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by yorkiebaby123

Yes you are right, the oldest doesnt need to be on the ID, our Dr just told us it wouldnt hurt her and its still a complete diet. We were just trying to not complicate the situation by giving them different foods. Also, we had another medical issue in b/w this where our dogs were both uncontrollably salivating and our oldest had to be hospitalized for a night, so our Vet wanted her on ID for that reason. That issue was never resolved either, but they have not had that problem since. Anyway, we always had our oldest on Royal Canin. When we got our pup, she was on LIfes Abundance. We switched her to RC puppy formula b/c we couldnt get the L.A. in the store. She was fine, but they were eating each others food and the oldest was getting fat and the youngest was not gaining, so our vet said we could do an "all-stage" food. We figured, OK, lets just get L.A. since its all-stage and our breeder had her on it. NO LUCK. She did NOT tolerate it anymore. We tried re-introducing with the help of the vet and thats when they just said, lets get her stable and put her on ID.

If this pup has had issues with drooling and GI problems, you may want to consider a bile acids test. I think I'd feed them in separate rooms 3 or 4 times a day so that the adult can eat something better. Of course that won't work if you have to free feed.

If there is a problem everytime you try to take the pup off of the I/D, she may have to stay on it for life. For the once every couple weeks issue, have you thought about probiotics?