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Old 12-03-2008, 06:04 AM   #46
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Again, thanks to all who continue to offer advice on Miss Kitty's management post- what we all believe is an attack of Pancreatitis, although that hasn't been positively confirmed by the vet --as he still has other things to rule out (a Lepto test is supposed to be ready by Wednesday--that is my vet's last concern--that it could be that instead of Pancreatitis).

First, concerning everyone's continued speculation that perhaps a Thanksgiving guest surreptiously fed Miss Kitty something fatty--bringing on the attack of (probably) Pancreatititis--that's impossible, as we had no guests on Thanksgiving. We were packing for a temporary move / our old house sold / our new house is being built). But--the Royal Canin Babydog 30 which WAS her regular dry food (before the attack) has a very high fat content (20%). Not that she ever eats a lot of the dry, but some days she does choose that over the wet offerings I give her on the same plate (chicken or beef baby food / chicken liver, etc.). As I've posted, the night of the start of her sickness, she ate only chicken liver off her plate of four small offerings of her various foods (which always included the Royal Canin Babydog 30). However, a meal or two prior to the meal where she ate only the liver, I can't remember exactly when--she ate only the Royal Babydog 30--turning up her nose at the other offerings on her plate. (You will recall from prior postings that, due to her finicky eating--I had been giving her four different choices, each meal (each just a small portion)and that she rotated as to which was her "favorite of the day/meal"--and that she would eat one choice that particular meal, pretty much leaving all the rest almost entirely untouched. So, if anything caused the Pancreatitis attack (if that's what it was) then it was probably the Royal Canin Babydog 30, don't you think? That had, by far, the highest fat content of any of the other food offerings I ever offered her for consumption.

Next, concerning postings that I must never deviate from her vet-recommended food, so as to avoid future Pancreatitis attacks, I have to ask a question about the one treat I've been giving her to assist in training her to come, to sit, etc. Especially, I need a treat to reward her for coming--because otherwise, she plays "keep away" from me. (I keep a very light leash on her (while she is loose), when outside, so that, if I go to pick her up, and she starts the "keep away" game, I can simply step on the leash to stop her flight, then pick her up. But, I prefer to instead reward her WHEN she comes (and she's been getting better about it, knowing there's a treat at the end if she comes, then sits on command, and stays still so I can pick her up without "trapping her" with the leash). The lunch mean (Oscar Mayer) that I've previously used for the treat--the ONLY food that she never turns her nose up, are cut into miniscule slivers--I'm talking probably 50 to 75 pieces out of a single THIN slice of lunch meat. In fact, the pieces of ham are SO SMALL, that when I give a piece to my Corgi, after wolfing it down, she always immediately searches the ground to see if she dropped it -- she can't actually taste that she swallowed anything!! (I generally carry different, bigger size treats for rewarding my Corgi, while training outside.) Anway, the fat content for the ham, according to the packaging, is only 3% / the protein is 10% / the salt is less than 2%. Can I not continue to use that ham as the treat for outside potty breaks? In the past, I NEVER gave her more than 3 or 4 tiny slivers of ham per potty breaks (which generally come every 2 to 3 to 4 hours--depending on her requests to go out.) I only gave her those small portions BEFORE, to keep from spoiling her appetite at meal times. Now, I think it would do no harm to continue the same, very small treats, in training---and that it wouldn't endanger her in connection with possible future Pancreatitis attacks. There has to be some reward, in training--otherwise, where's the joy for her? If that ham is absolutely WRONG to give her (to manage the Pancreatitis), there is NOTHING I've discovered that is tasty enough that she would eat it everytime offered. Certainly none of the dog foods I've tried--including the vet-prescribed one, which she continues to eat inside, but turns down outside, if she has eaten within the last four hours or so. Any other suggestions? Remember, it has to be unbelievably palatable, or she won't continue to eat it--although she might eat it for a day or two. (Her appetite has slowed down, she's no longer wolfing down the vet-prescribed food, but she is continuing to eat a "life-sustainable" amount, at least.

Thanks, again, for the advice previously given, and hopefully, the advice that will come in as a result of this post.

No lunch meat at all.
Remember also, that fat content is with added moisture.
If you take the moisture out mathematically and convert the ham to a dry matter basis, the fat content is probably quite a bit higher than 3%. The same goes for canned and baby foods. Ham is one of the very worst foods to trigger pancreatitis. I would avoid it altogether. How is she with very lean chicken or very lean fish? Vegetables? Twenty percent fat is not a high fat diet at all. It is too high for her now but 18% is still considered low fat. Ellie's vet and nutritionist are fine with her being on an 18% diet after one acute case of pancreatitis. It depends on the vet and how the dog is doing. I would be nervous to continue wtih 20% food though and while she is recovering while you still aren't sure, it wouldn't be uncommon for the vet to use something with 5-10% fat.

Nicole, it depends on the fat content on a dry matter basis for the toppers.
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Nope, no lunch meat. Ham and other pork products are key triggers for pancreatitis. A co-worker of mine almost lost her Yorkie Sugar after her dad slipped her a tiny piece of ham during brunch.

"If you feed table scraps or cook for your dog, be sure to avoid fatty foods such as gravy, bacon, ham, sausage, margarine or processed foods. Feed only unseasoned meats and leave out the veggies and fruit."

Pancreatitis

You do not want to chance another attack. While pancreatitis is scary enough, repeated bouts can cause the pancreas to stop producing insulin (diabetes). Lady has been a diabetic for seven years and trust me, you don't want to have to give Miss Kitty insulin shots twice a day for the rest of her life.
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Nope, no lunch meat. Ham and other pork products are key triggers for pancreatitis. A co-worker of mine almost lost her Yorkie Sugar after her dad slipped her a tiny piece of ham during brunch.

"If you feed table scraps or cook for your dog, be sure to avoid fatty foods such as gravy, bacon, ham, sausage, margarine or processed foods. Feed only unseasoned meats and leave out the veggies and fruit."

Pancreatitis

You do not want to chance another attack. While pancreatitis is scary enough, repeated bouts can cause the pancreas to stop producing insulin (diabetes). Lady has been a diabetic for seven years and trust me, you don't want to have to give Miss Kitty insulin shots twice a day for the rest of her life.
I wanted to edit my last post to say Ellie's vet and internist are fine with it, not her vet and nutritionist.

Ladymom, why no fruit and veggies?
High fiber is good for dogs with pancreatitis (I'm sure it depends on the type of veggies) and veggies are in most dog foods...
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I wanted to edit my last post to say Ellie's vet and internist are fine with it, not her vet and nutritionist.

Ladymom, why no fruit and veggies?
High fiber is good for dogs with pancreatitis (I'm sure it depends on the type of veggies) and veggies are in most dog foods...
That was a quote form the article I linked to, but I read it to mean you should leave the fruits and veggies out to eat. But I think you may be right.

I have no idea why they would say not to feed fruits and veggies as long as they are cooked or the skin removed.
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I just found this:

"Often dogs with diabetes can be prone to pancreatitis, and pancreatitis can lead to diabetes. In cases like these, it would also be a good idea to watch the amount of sugar in the diet. This would include high glycemic vegetables, fruits and honey."

Pancreatitis | B-Naturals.Com Newsletter

Now, that makes sense. I have to be careful about which fruits and veggies I feed Lady since she is diabetic. Green beans and blueberries are low on the glycemic index. Veggies like corn and peas are high as are many fruits. Watermelon, for instance, is the highest fruit on the glycemic index with a glycemic load of 72 compared to apples at 38.

Fruits Glycemic Index Food List from FIFTY 50
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I just found this:

"Often dogs with diabetes can be prone to pancreatitis, and pancreatitis can lead to diabetes. In cases like these, it would also be a good idea to watch the amount of sugar in the diet. This would include high glycemic vegetables, fruits and honey."

Pancreatitis | B-Naturals.Com Newsletter

Now, that makes sense. I have to be careful about which fruits and veggies I feed Lady since she is diabetic. Green beans and blueberries are low on the glycemic index. Veggies like corn and peas are high as are many fruits. Watermelon, for instance, is the highest fruit on the glycemic index with a glycemic load of 72 compared to apples at 38.

Fruits Glycemic Index Food List from FIFTY 50
That makes sense.
The first one was a bit broad...don't give fruits and veggies and that wouldn't be good.

It seems fruit would be the most concern (since corn and pea aren't really veggies anyway).
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That makes sense.
The first one was a bit broad...don't give fruits and veggies and that wouldn't be good.

It seems fruit would be the most concern (since corn and pea aren't really veggies anyway).
It's amazing how many people consider corn, peas, lima beans, etc. a vegetable....my son, for instance!
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It's amazing how many people consider corn, peas, lima beans, etc. a vegetable....my son, for instance!
lol, I know.
If corn is a veggie then rice is too.
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If corn is a veggie then rice is too.
And potatoes, too!
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Default Miss Kitty -- I'm convinced -- no ham!! or other lunch meats for treats

First, I want to apologize--some of the posts saying "no lunch meat whatsoever, including ham" look like they were posted BEFORE my question asking "can I continue giving very tiny slivers of ham" -- and because of that, it appears that I am simply ignoring the very good advice given in this thread. However, those several posts saying "No--absolutely not" must have come in while I was writing my lengthy post, and I didn't see them before I submittted my "ham inquiry" -- in effect, passing in the mail the repetitive, and very smart advice to "nix the ham."

I think the suggestion of one poster that "baked chicken breast might be a good substitute treat" is a brilliant one -- I bet it will be the very treat that Miss Kitty will like well enough to allow me to use it as a training treat-- offering only tiny slivers, of course. I can't imagine that she would eat any veggies as her special treat--some of the foods she turns down smell so good and meaty that I would eat them !!

I guess I should stop posting these food questions here? Now that the dire emergency has passed, should I start a new link in the health and food forum for any additional questions I have? Right now, I'm all out of questions, all of you have been so thorough.

Tomorrow is Miss Kitty's next appointment. I'll be sending a copy of this thread with my husband with highlighted portions showing the pancreatitis markers to look for in the blood work (thanks Dwerten!!) so that my husband can ask specific questions about the new blood work results. I'll also make sure my husband brings home a copy of the results (as suggested in this thread), so I can start a file on Miss Kitty (and so I can post the complete results for everyone's inspection in this thread). I would love for this episode to have been a fluke, and that she'll be healthy for a long, long time into the future (since I'll be feeding her a low fat diet ever so carefully from now on). But, just in case, I'll have her current blood work results to compare against any new blood work that has to be taken, if she takes ill again.

So--to keep from "wearing out" this Emergency forum any further, I won't paste any more "food/diet-related questions". The last post from me in this thread (unless her new blood work is bad, perish the thought) will be Miss Kitty's blood work results from tomorrow's vet visit. If the results of the blood work are as good as I hope, I'll say a glad goodbye to this Emergency thread.

I can't help but repeat myself--all of you guys have done so much to assuage my worries and answer my many frantic questions. I'm so glad I wandered onto the forum. So is Miss Kitty, otherwise she might have been the "dearly departed Miss Kitty" by now. So many posters on this thread encouraged me to immediately take her back to the vet on Saturday (even though I had been sent home from the vet with meds on Friday), and even though she appeared to be getting better. It was because everyone was so aghast that no blood work had been done on her that propelled me from where I was "teetering back and forth" about whether I should take her back to the vet, or just "wait and see" for a day or so. If not for the advice of this forum, I might have done just that--waited for awhile. As it turns out, we took her back to the vet in the nick of time. I believe she would have died if she hadn't been taken back that very morning, and immediately placed on an IV. Now that's a scary thought--how close I came to losing her.

I don't want to jinx her by crowing about her recovery, but I do want all of you to know that I realize you all played a large part in that recovery (thus far). Hopefully, she will stay on this upward spiral. (Right now she's playing in my lap like a madwoman!!--she is such a kick when she's feeling good!)

I'll talk to all of you tomorrow, when I report on Miss Kitty's new blood work.

P.S. I love how polite this forum is--even when people have differing opinions. That is very rare on a web forum.
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Also, look at lunch meat labels to see how much sodium and other processing there is in the food. It reads scarey enough for us (people) much less for a very small/toy dog.
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First, I want to apologize--some of the posts saying "no lunch meat whatsoever, including ham" look like they were posted BEFORE my question asking "can I continue giving very tiny slivers of ham" -- and because of that, it appears that I am simply ignoring the very good advice given in this thread. However, those several posts saying "No--absolutely not" must have come in while I was writing my lengthy post, and I didn't see them before I submittted my "ham inquiry" -- in effect, passing in the mail the repetitive, and very smart advice to "nix the ham."

I think the suggestion of one poster that "baked chicken breast might be a good substitute treat" is a brilliant one -- I bet it will be the very treat that Miss Kitty will like well enough to allow me to use it as a training treat-- offering only tiny slivers, of course. I can't imagine that she would eat any veggies as her special treat--some of the foods she turns down smell so good and meaty that I would eat them !!

I guess I should stop posting these food questions here? Now that the dire emergency has passed, should I start a new link in the health and food forum for any additional questions I have? Right now, I'm all out of questions, all of you have been so thorough.

Tomorrow is Miss Kitty's next appointment. I'll be sending a copy of this thread with my husband with highlighted portions showing the pancreatitis markers to look for in the blood work (thanks Dwerten!!) so that my husband can ask specific questions about the new blood work results. I'll also make sure my husband brings home a copy of the results (as suggested in this thread), so I can start a file on Miss Kitty (and so I can post the complete results for everyone's inspection in this thread). I would love for this episode to have been a fluke, and that she'll be healthy for a long, long time into the future (since I'll be feeding her a low fat diet ever so carefully from now on). But, just in case, I'll have her current blood work results to compare against any new blood work that has to be taken, if she takes ill again.

So--to keep from "wearing out" this Emergency forum any further, I won't paste any more "food/diet-related questions". The last post from me in this thread (unless her new blood work is bad, perish the thought) will be Miss Kitty's blood work results from tomorrow's vet visit. If the results of the blood work are as good as I hope, I'll say a glad goodbye to this Emergency thread.

I can't help but repeat myself--all of you guys have done so much to assuage my worries and answer my many frantic questions. I'm so glad I wandered onto the forum. So is Miss Kitty, otherwise she might have been the "dearly departed Miss Kitty" by now. So many posters on this thread encouraged me to immediately take her back to the vet on Saturday (even though I had been sent home from the vet with meds on Friday), and even though she appeared to be getting better. It was because everyone was so aghast that no blood work had been done on her that propelled me from where I was "teetering back and forth" about whether I should take her back to the vet, or just "wait and see" for a day or so. If not for the advice of this forum, I might have done just that--waited for awhile. As it turns out, we took her back to the vet in the nick of time. I believe she would have died if she hadn't been taken back that very morning, and immediately placed on an IV. Now that's a scary thought--how close I came to losing her.

I don't want to jinx her by crowing about her recovery, but I do want all of you to know that I realize you all played a large part in that recovery (thus far). Hopefully, she will stay on this upward spiral. (Right now she's playing in my lap like a madwoman!!--she is such a kick when she's feeling good!)

I'll talk to all of you tomorrow, when I report on Miss Kitty's new blood work.

P.S. I love how polite this forum is--even when people have differing opinions. That is very rare on a web forum.
Since this thread was started when your pup was sick or had an emergency, it's okay to keep it open and talk about food. If you'd rather get out of this section though and go somewhere happier, you could start a thread in health and diet.
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so glad all is working out so well for your baby and so glad we could all help you as it makes me feel so good to know we were able to help a baby with what we learned the hard way it is like paying it forward you will have that chance to do the same for others too as we learn something every day that is for sure ---

i would continue to post food issues on this post because others will know it is pertaining to pancreatitis case by reading the whole thread as i would be concerned you post on a new thread and they do not know about the kidney values and the pancreatitis and give you a treat that could possibly harm her at such a vulnerable stage -- honestly I would stick to the baked chicken breast only and kibble but even now i would just do the food -- i only gave dex his food for a year after as i did not want to take any chances and i strongly suggest that of yours too as she is so little and it could re-occur easily so please just stick to her food and give her the food as a treat as they think it is a treat coming from your hand mine do so try that first as to fragile at this point and we do not want a relapse which can easily happen as dex relapsed 3 times so you are not entirely out of the woods so please be extremely cautious with her - spring bottled water as you want her drinking as much water as you can due to kidney values

i am so glad she is doing well and that you trusted us in taking her back and getting that blood work as some people may not have done that and it could have been to her detriment - better to be safe than sorry and you did the right thing I was so scared when you did not post over those few days i went into panic mode posting a ton of messages in case you popped in as i knew she would be ok with the right protocol and sounds like second vet had a clue so that is great
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definitely no lunch meat due to sodium and fat content - one girl on here her dog had a tiny piece of pork chop and got pancreatitis - yours is so tiny it can take a tiny piece and it adds up in their system so it may not be the last meal but all the ones leading up to it. If she will absolutely not eat her food then go to costco and buy the organic chicken breasts and i freeze them in single baggies and defrost and bake on 350 for 40 minutes every 3 days as i think they only last 3 days in fridge after cooked and i dice up tiny pieces but they maybe get one or two tiny pieces - remember they are tiny dogs so what seems like a small amount to us is alot to them - but my first recommendation is nothing but dog food period - her pancreas and tummy needs to rest
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Default Miss Kitty update -- sorry it's been so long coming

Dear all you wonderful Yorkie folks:

First, I apologize for waiting so long to post an update--but Miss Kitty's blood test values have been fluctuating so much, I couldn't bear to come here to post the results and get even more scared by hearing from posters with similar problems with their Yorkies. Okay, call me an ostrich hiding my head in the sand. For the present time, Miss Kitty is in a very good place, and I totally owe her health to all the good advice from the posters herein. I have not been giving Miss Kitty a smidgeon of food, except her recommended prescribed can food the vet gave me to feed her--and for training snacks outside--the poster who said "she'd think it was a treat because it came from my hand was right--she does accept the canned food as a treat (I had tried other normal doggie food as a treat from my hand, in the past, but she never would eat it if she had eaten a meal in the last several hours. With the current canned food, she likes it well enough that she'll always accept it as a "treat" out of my hand.) Thus, we have eliminated one of the worries--that I'll cause Miss Kitty health issues by giving her something I think is healthy, but is really not. Just canned prescribed dog food is good enough for both of us !!!

I am sorry to report I still haven't received:

"a cpli and tli add on for pancreatitis as the amylase and lipase will not be indicative of pancreatitis but the cpli and tli will tell you exactly if this is pancreatitis" as especially recommended by Dwerten.

In my defense, I printed out and sent Dwerten's post concerning this special testing WITH my husband during the very next vet visit (I work days/my husband works nights / my boss is an ogre about letting me off to take my dog to the vet--so my husband Casey is generally elected to make the vet visits without me). However, while my husband was at the vet's, he learned that the head vet I've been using was out of the office attending a seminar. One of the younger vets was elected to check Miss Kitty (my husband didn't know to ask for a higher level vet). That vet talked my husband out of any more blood work / tests at that point--since Miss Kitty "was so obviously feeling better." A few hours after my husband left the vet's office on that day, I called the vet to find out blood work, and when I learned that no blood work had been done, I almost lost it. I eventually talked to the vet who had made the decision not to test, and he literally begged me not to chew my husband out when I got home--took total responsibility for talking my husband out of more blood work. I explained to him how vital blood work monitoring was, because Miss Kitty can quite literally be "top of the morning" one day, and puking her guts out and refusing to eat the next--and that the head vet had RECOMMENDED that we absolutely get blood work.

Then--for the next visit, my husband had lost the printed copy of the post from Dwerten containing the very informed recommendations for "a cpli and tli add on for pancreatitis"--and I certainly couldn't remember what that extra blood work is called off the top of my head. (I couldn't check this forum, because we had my laptop packed away (moving). So, just the normal blood work was done. Ditto for the next visit -- we were still moving, couldn't access Internet to retrieve Dwerten information about special testing.

So, I'm stupid. Now that I've unpacked my laptop, obtained phone service so I could check this forum, and looked at the blood work we've been routinely receiving on Miss Kitty and realizing that Dwerten's recommended testing has not yet been done, I feel totally inadequate.

Here's the testing that has been done, and for the most part, I'm giving only today's values. (At the end of this post, I'll give the history of the BUN and Creatinine levels that are indicators of possible kidney malfunction.)

WBC 8.5 (normal= 6.0 to 17.0)

LYMF 4.6 (normal =1.2 to 5.0)
GRAN 3.1 (normal =3.5 to 12)
MONO 0.8 (normal = 0.3 to 1.5)

(three directly above also shown in percentages, as follows below:

LYMF 54.7% (normal =0.0 % to 99.9%)
GRAN=36.7% (normal =0.0 % to 99.9%)
MONO 8.6% (normal = 0.0 to 99.9)

HCT 39.6% (normal = 37% to 55%)
MCV 61.1 (normal =60.0 to 72.0 )
RBC 6.48 (normal = 5.50 to 8.50 )
HGB 13.4 (normal = 12.0 to 18.0)
MCH 20.6 (normal = 19.5 to 24.5)
MCHC 33.8 (normal = 32.0 to 38.0)
RDW% 21.3 (normal = 12.0 to 21.0)
MPV 9.9 (normal =6.1 to 10.1)
PLT 110 (normal = 200 to 500)

The following testing doesn't say what is normal, but only shows a marker if something is ABNORMAL:

GLU 84 mg/dl
ALP 216 IU/L (MILD ELEVATION -- insignificant, per vet)
T-PRO 6.4 g/dl
ALT under 10 IU/L
ALB 2.8 g/dl
T-Bil under 0.2 mg/dl
Amy-W 672 IU/dl

All of those were today's results.

The following is the history of her BUN and Creatitine tests:

BUN (normal: 9 to 26)
11/29/08 195
12/01/08 37 (after being kept over weekend and being given IVs)
12/09/08 39
12/16/08 29

CREATITINE (normal: 0.5 to 1.6)
11/29/08 4.3
12/01/08 0.8 (after being kept over weekend and being given IVs)
12/09/08 2.3
12/16/08 2.1

The Lepto testing is being repeated, because last tests showed low "positive" on a couple of Lepto markers. HERE's where it gets interesting. On one of the vet visits (when main vet was at seminar), vet told Casey to "check to see whether breeder gave Lepto virus, this could explain why Lepto was showing low positive. We called breeder, she said she would never give that vaccine to puppies as small / young as mine -- and wouldn't give it to older Yorkies unless there was an active outbreak in the area -- due to the fact that Yorkies have historically had bad reactions/including kidney damage, due to the vaccines. (According to my reading, current Fort Dodge vaccines are supposed to be better, but not all vets are using the "less problematic" Fort Dodge vaccines. When we reported back to the vet that breeder hadn't given Lepto shot, he looked in file, and it showed that FIRST vet (before I got the main vet) had given the Lepto vaccine. When my "main vet" quizzed first vet about the vaccine, that vet said he would never "give Lepto to a small/young Yorkie puppy, and that it must be an error in her file. (Can we say COVERUP ??) I'm highly skeptical about first vet's answer--she probably did receive Lepto vaccine from that moron--he's the one that sent her home without any blood work, and after having given her a Cortisone shot that would be totally contraindicated if Pancreatitis was the diagnosis--which we didn't know at that point (and still don't know, really). Anyway, since I can't prove the first vet gave the Lepto shot--I'm instead moving on toward treatment (cure), not playing the blame game.

It's ridiculous and embarrassing that I've continued to have all this testing, and have forgotten to get the key Pancreatitis testing. I'm not horribly worried about Miss Kitty at this point -- her BUN and Creatitine levels continue to fluctuate up and down, slightly above normal levels.

I would take her straight back in for the Pancreatitis bloodwork, but today's vet bill was $195, and I've been spending anywhere from $95 to $600 (weekend stay at vet) every WEEK since Miss Kitty first was taken ill. The till is empty right now. I'll have to wait for her next scheduled testing in a month, then put my foot down about specific Pancreatitis blood work. Of course, if she doesn't continue to thrive (eating very well / very active) -- we'll be back in sooner. Right now, she is more "normal" than she ever has been--meaning that, besides being very active and alert, as she always was before she got sick, she now has a good appetite for almost every meal. That, in itself, is a miracle !!!

Since the food prescribed for her is equally good for kidney problems / Pancreatitis problems (both low fat AND low protein), I believe we're okay waiting the month to get the Pancreatitis testing. Anybody disagree?

Thanks for your patience in reading this overlength post. I suppose I've proven that I know no other way of posting.

Everybody give their Yorkies a special hug from me. They are truly God's gifts to us.

Take care.
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