Annual Shots

[Kate]

Sadie went in Tuesday for her rabies vaccine, DHLPP+Corona (Adult) Booster shots.

She was fine all evening.

The next day she was very lethargic, which the vet's office assured me was normal. This morning, she vomited at 3:00, so I let her outside to potty, and then she shook a little so I wrapped her back up in blankets.

Today, she is much better but still acts like her joints ache. She wants to be picked up when crossing the threshold at the bottom of the door, which has just a tiny step on it.

Do any of you experience problems like this with your kids when you bring them home from having their shots?

The good news is that I don't need to take her in for a booster shot now for three years, just the annual rabies shot.

I am not looking forward to her getting her teeth cleaned in two weeks, because this is another situation in which she is terribly lethargic for the day and a half after the procedure. In a way though, I think this may be the better procedure of the two, because I don't think having her teeth cleaned makes her joints ache. I feel like I purposely gave her the flu.

It is so pathetic so watch her, but the nurse assured me she will be OK.

Thanks.

Kate

[AMMARI]

Do they need another rabies shot? I thought it was only one, don't know where I got that info. Sammy is 13 mos. old. I need to take him soon.

[Ladymom]

Sadie got bombarded with shots! No wonder she was lethargic.

Toy breed dogs can get very bad, even life threatening reactions to both Lepto (the "L" in her shot) and corona. For that reason we don't like to give them unless there is a lepto outbreak in your area. In that case, they should be given separately from the rest of the vaccinations several weeks later, never in a combo shot like Sadie got. (Fort Dodge makes a single lepto vaccine).

Rabies should always be given separately from the rest of the vaccines due to possible reaction.

It doesn't sound like your vet is very knowledgable about toy breeds. You will have to insist on a safer schedule next time. You were very lucky.

Here is Dr. Dodd's recommended vaccine schedule which has been adopted by 27 vet schools.

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Sadie got bombarded with shots! No wonder she was lethargic.

Toy breed dogs can get very bad, even life threatening reactions to both Lepto (the "L" in her shot) and corona. For that reason we don't like to give them unless there is a lepto outbreak in your area. In that case, they should be given separately from the rest of the vaccinations several weeks later, never in a combo shot like Sadie got. (Fort Dodge makes a single lepto vaccine).

Rabies should always be given separately from the rest of the vaccines due to possible reaction.

It doesn't sound like your vet is very knowledgable about toy breeds. You will have to insist on a safer schedule next time. You were very lucky.

Here is Dr. Dodd's recommended vaccine schedule which has been adopted by 27 vet schools.

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

Thank you so much for this site. Very, very informative.

Last year Sadie came home lethargic, and I discussed this with the receptionist before taking her in this year. She said being sleepy is something that happens with the small breeds, and that it is pretty common. She did say they could give her separate shots, but did not think it was necessary.
Now, I feel horrible, and I will be calling the vet's office again tomorrow, just to be sure notes are put in Sadie's file.

I feel horrible about this, and by reading your post, she was probably much worse than I thought.

Thank you.

Kate

[BLowry]

I also have a Sadie!

Sadie is 3 yrs and Lille will be 2 yrs in June. Sadie got all her shots as a puppy (Lillie did too) I don't feel they need shots every year. I brought them to the vets Wed and had titers done. Lillie couldn't have hers because she needs her rabies and I didn't want to to get it unless I could be home to watch her incase of a reaction (I have a friend who's yorkie had a bad reaction to the rabies) small dogs shouldn't get the Lepto shot. I would discuss, with your vet, having a titer done the next time she is due for shots.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by BLowry

I also have a Sadie!

Sadie is 3 yrs and Lille will be 2 yrs in June. Sadie got all her shots as a puppy (Lillie did too) I don't feel they need shots every year. I brought them to the vets Wed and had titers done. Lillie couldn't have hers because she needs her rabies and I didn't want to to get it unless I could be home to watch her incase of a reaction (I have a friend who's yorkie had a bad reaction to the rabies) small dogs shouldn't get the Lepto shot. I would discuss, with your vet, having a titer done the next time she is due for shots.

What is a titer? A blood test of some sort?

I always schedule her appts. on a Monday or a Tues., just in case she gets ill.
I do this even when I get her teeth cleaned. I live in a small town, and nobody is open on the weekends if Sadie gets ill.

Thanks, and I will ask about the Lepto shot. She is doing much better today.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Kate

Thank you so much for this site. Very, very informative.

Last year Sadie came home lethargic, and I discussed this with the receptionist before taking her in this year. She said being sleepy is something that happens with the small breeds, and that it is pretty common. She did say they could give her separate shots, but did not think it was necessary.
Now, I feel horrible, and I will be calling the vet's office again tomorrow, just to be sure notes are put in Sadie's file.

I feel horrible about this, and by reading your post, she was probably much worse than I thought.

Thank you.

Kate

Please listen to Ladymom on this.
Rabies should always be given separately.
Lepto should always be given separately.
Corona really shouldn't be given at all.
Besides the increased risk of reaction to all those shots, giving that many at once can negate immunity...

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Please listen to Ladymom on this.
Rabies should always be given separately.
Lepto should always be given separately.
Corona really shouldn't be given at all.
Besides the increased risk of reaction to all those shots, giving that many at once can negate immunity...

I am doing my homework, this time.

My vet said next time to get the booster and rabies shots separately.

Another vet's office said to not give her the Lepto, as many small dogs have bad reactions to this shot.

Luckily, the won't need another rabies shot for three years.

One vet said she had a reaction to the Lepto/Corona portion of the shot, more than likely, while my own vet's office said the reaction was probably to the rabies shot.

Like I said, I am in the process of researching all of this.

Thanks.

[KathyinCali]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Please listen to Ladymom on this.
Rabies should always be given separately.
Lepto should always be given separately.
Corona really shouldn't be given at all.
Besides the increased risk of reaction to all those shots, giving that many at once can negate immunity...

Crystal - I am going to have to take Lucy for her shots next month. Her shots have to be kept current since she travels so much internationally with me. Do you know the minimum I can get away with? Also, what do you think of the Lepto? Is that a bad one? Thanks for your help.

[tigerelsker]

i have a question. my augie was born 12/26/07, got dpv on 2/19, 3/17 & 4/7, I also did lepto on 4/7 but we are not going to do the booster(we have since decided not to do lepto at all). He should be done with the DPV right? He has rabies coming up 4/28.

But Abby, his sister, had DPV on 3/17 & 4/7 (also lepto). She is due for rabies & DPV. How long between getting DPV should she wait for the Rabies?

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Kate

What is a titer? A blood test of some sort?

I always schedule her appts. on a Monday or a Tues., just in case she gets ill.
I do this even when I get her teeth cleaned. I live in a small town, and nobody is open on the weekends if Sadie gets ill.

Thanks, and I will ask about the Lepto shot. She is doing much better today.

Here is some information on titers:

TITER TEST

Antech on Vaccine Titers

[Kris Christine]

Kate,

If you click on this link http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ions-dogs.html you will be taken to a post I made on the 2008 Journal of the Veterinary Medical Association detailing the various types of adverse reactions to the rabies vaccine reported during a 3 year period.

You should be aware that by combining shots at one visit, you not only increase the likelihood of an adverse reaction, but you also increase the likelihood that the vaccine components will interfere with one another and neutralize or negate the immunological response. Dr. Ronald Schultz of the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine states that the rabies vaccine should never been given with any other vaccines.

October-December 2007, Vol. 26, #3 Journal of American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association, Summary of a Presentation by Dr. Ron Schultz written by Patricia Monahan Jordan, DVM, "Rabies is also the vaccine most likely to lead to an ADVERSE EVENT.....You should NEVER give Rabies at the same time as the other vaccines."

Vaccination Options/Prevention It should be noted that giving vaccine more frequently than every 2 weeks will cause interference between the two vaccines and neither can be expected to be effective. This includes giving vaccines for different infections. Vaccines should be spaced 2-4 weeks apart.

Combination Vaccines, Multiple Shots--on Page 16 of the[i 2003 AAHA Guidelines[/i] under Immunological Factors Determining Vaccine Safety, it states that: "Although increasing the number of components in a vaccine may be more convenient for the practitioner or owner, the likelihood for adverse effects may increase. Also, interference can occur among the components. Care must be taken not to administer a product containing too many vaccines simultaneously if adverse events are to be avoided and optimal immune responses are sought. "
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____________
Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don't Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz Duration of Immunity

What Everyone Needs to Know about Canine Vaccines, Dr. Ronald Schultz What Everyone Needs to Know About Canine Vaccines

World Small Animal Veterinary Association 2007 Vaccine Guidelines - WSAVA - Scientific Advisory Committee Scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF)

The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at Special Report .

The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at About AAHA .

Veterinarian, Dr. Robert Rogers,has an excellent presentation on veterinary vaccines at Home

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Here is some information on titers:

TITER TEST

Antech on Vaccine Titers

Very good info., and I have printed it out.

Thank you so much!

[Kris Christine]

You might also be interested in an important piece of information from the Colorado State University College of Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital to consider when deciding on an appropriate vaccination booster protocol for your dogs.

Small Animal Vaccination Protocols The USDA requires challenge data two weeks after last vaccination for licensure for all vaccines (except rabies). The USDA does not require titers or challenge data at one year for any vaccine except for rabies vaccines. Manufacturers yearly vaccine recommendations are arbitrary for all but rabies vaccines.

[Kate]

Originally Posted by Kris Christine

Kate,

If you click on this link http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ions-dogs.html you will be taken to a post I made on the 2008 Journal of the Veterinary Medical Association detailing the various types of adverse reactions to the rabies vaccine reported during a 3 year period.

You should be aware that by combining shots at one visit, you not only increase the likelihood of an adverse reaction, but you also increase the likelihood that the vaccine components will interfere with one another and neutralize or negate the immunological response. Dr. Ronald Schultz of the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine states that the rabies vaccine should never been given with any other vaccines.

October-December 2007, Vol. 26, #3 Journal of American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association, Summary of a Presentation by Dr. Ron Schultz written by Patricia Monahan Jordan, DVM, "Rabies is also the vaccine most likely to lead to an ADVERSE EVENT.....You should NEVER give Rabies at the same time as the other vaccines."

Vaccination Options/Prevention It should be noted that giving vaccine more frequently than every 2 weeks will cause interference between the two vaccines and neither can be expected to be effective. This includes giving vaccines for different infections. Vaccines should be spaced 2-4 weeks apart.

Combination Vaccines, Multiple Shots--on Page 16 of the[i 2003 AAHA Guidelines[/i] under Immunological Factors Determining Vaccine Safety, it states that: "Although increasing the number of components in a vaccine may be more convenient for the practitioner or owner, the likelihood for adverse effects may increase. Also, interference can occur among the components. Care must be taken not to administer a product containing too many vaccines simultaneously if adverse events are to be avoided and optimal immune responses are sought. "
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____________
Duration of Immunity to Canine Vaccines: What We Know and Don't Know, Dr. Ronald Schultz Duration of Immunity

What Everyone Needs to Know about Canine Vaccines, Dr. Ronald Schultz What Everyone Needs to Know About Canine Vaccines

World Small Animal Veterinary Association 2007 Vaccine Guidelines - WSAVA - Scientific Advisory Committee Scroll down to Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF)

The 2003 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are accessible online at Special Report .

The 2006 American Animal Hospital Association's Canine Vaccine Guidelines are downloadable in PDF format at About AAHA .

Veterinarian, Dr. Robert Rogers,has an excellent presentation on veterinary vaccines at Home

Thank you very much for both of your replies. I have made copies of all of this material, and will read more later this week.

This is scary, and it is good to know that the two different vaccines should be given at least 2 - 4 weeks apart.

My little girl is still not up to par, and this makes me sad.