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Brennydoogles · 01-08-2008, 04:53 PM

Angiedoogles and I have been taking Marty to the same vet since he was a puppy, and until recently have been very satisfied. Recently however, we have felt like the vet has been diagnosing and treating issues without properly looking at Marty ( he has had hot-spots and itching for a while, and she claimed they were caused by allergies, and gave him a shot) , and none of the treatments have worked. Last week we took Marty back to the vet, because he has developed something similar to scabs on the top section of both of his ears. We are fairly certain that they are not scabs, because A.) He has not cut his ears at all, and B.) They are not going away, but rather spreading slowly. When we took him to the vet, she did an exam that lasted about a minute and a half (not even looking at his ears), and then swabbed the inside of his ears (the growth is on the top) to look for an infection. She lef the room, and a few minutes later a tech came back in and said that the swab came back with a very slight increase in bacteria over normal (in his inner ear), and gave us some antibiotics and some drops to put on the affected area and sent us home.
I know I'm not a vet, but does this sound strange to anyone else? Angie and I love our puppies, and would pay any amount of money we have for them to be well, but we don't want to pay vet bills if they are not going to be well. Thanks so much in advance for the help!!

yougetthesmiles · 01-08-2008, 04:55 PM

Have you tried to switch his food to see if he is allergic to it? What are you feeding him?

simonandhallie · 01-08-2008, 05:07 PM

Simon had something similar on the top of his ears. Our vet said it was most likely caused by rough play between he and Hallie and was just a little scratch but since the ears are so sensitive they tend to scab over from the smallest of scratches.

I think you should consider switching vets just for peace of mind. It's such a relief to have a vet you trust and respect

Good Luck!

luv_my_yorkies · 01-08-2008, 05:31 PM

Tino has had crusty scabs on the inside of his ears, they started as watery blisters and then scabbed over. His ears were red and warm to the touch. The cause was food allergies(chicken). It was heartbreaking to see him in such a state of distress. Now we feed him Wellness and he has been great! No scabs

Not sure if it is the same thing...just though I'd let you know.

Best of luck with your little one.

Shelby&Seymour · 01-08-2008, 05:33 PM

We, too, had something similar to this with a Miniature-Schnauzer that we had years ago. She was allergic to grass

!!...... We kept her out of it as much as we could for awhile and used oatmeal shampoo and also an oatmeal based conditioning spray. In no time her skin was back to normal. (and sure enough, if she was outside in the yard too long..... it would come back)
Good Luck in finding the cause of his skin problem..... have you tried an oatmeal based shampoo? It does help soothe the skin, too!

MiLeighsMoM · 01-08-2008, 05:42 PM

My Boxer had the very same thing... He was allergic to the package material my new sheeets came in... I told my ex to wash them before we put them on the bed and he didn't and comet started getting that.. His Ears were so red and hot and had nasty scabs on him in 1 day it made his face red to... My Vet told me if i changed anything or used something diffrent try and take it away and see if it changes... I took the sheets off the bed and put some that were folded on the bed cuz that was the only thing diffrent i did.. in 3 days he was clear.. .Washed the sheets it never came back

Brennydoogles · 01-08-2008, 09:18 PM

well, we've been feeding him Nutro-small bites for quite some time now (and we buy the big bags, so he has had this particular bag for a month or two at least) so I'm not sure the food would be the cause. As for playing too roughly, when he and Maddie play it consists mostly of him pushing her around while she rubs her face on the ground ( lol ). I am fairly certain we are going to switch vets, we just need to find a good one in our area. If anyone local happens to know of one... feel free to let us know!

For My Coby · 01-08-2008, 09:25 PM

Sorry, I don't have any advice for you. Reggie has always had skin and ear allergies, but Nutro is what we feed, and it's TONS better now for the allergies. Good luck on deciding if you want to try a new vet. That's never easy.

BUT I would also like to say I just LOVE your new tagline!!

MyFairLacy · 01-08-2008, 10:28 PM

You might have him checked for ringworm. It can appear to be scabs that spread. You don't see it as much in dogs but I have a cat that is a carrier of ringworm...normally doesn't show signs unless her immune system is suppressed. A lot of the time it will show up first on a cat's ears and feet...not sure about dogs though. Your vet can use a blacklight to check for it.

That is strange about your vet...maybe you should try getting a second opinion. I think it's a good idea to check for ringworm and do a skin scraping to see what the scabs might be.

AngieDoogles · 01-08-2008, 11:26 PM

Here are some pics of his ears. Does it look like ringworm? I'm going to call around tomorrow to try to find a good vet, but I don't know who to ask for recommendations...

luv_my_yorkies · 01-09-2008, 08:18 AM

Those are the exact blisters Tino gets from his allergies! I usually have to hold a warm, wet compress to them to soften them up so they can heal.

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Originally Posted by AngieDoogles

Here are some pics of his ears. Does it look like ringworm? I'm going to call around tomorrow to try to find a good vet, but I don't know who to ask for recommendations...

TatumsMom · 01-09-2008, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AngieDoogles

Here are some pics of his ears. Does it look like ringworm? I'm going to call around tomorrow to try to find a good vet, but I don't know who to ask for recommendations...

I think that yes, that does kinda look like ringworm that has progressed. We got two kittens from the shelter who had been infected with ringworm while there and our dogs each got a few spots. Now, that said.... I have never seen an allergic reaction like that so I wouldn't be able to compare the two. I think you should ask the vet specifically if it could be ringworm.

AngieDoogles · 01-09-2008, 09:02 AM

So I looked up information about ringworm, and it says (and all of the pictures showed) that there is a small round area devoid of hair at the infected site. As you can see in the pics of Marty's ears, he still has hair all around the scabbed area. Also, from what I've read, symptoms don't usually show up unless the dog isn't healthy. Marty is very healthy and active and has never had any serious medical issues. Do you guys still think it might be ringworm?

TatumsMom · 01-09-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AngieDoogles

So I looked up information about ringworm, and it says (and all of the pictures showed) that there is a small round area devoid of hair at the infected site. As you can see in the pics of Marty's ears, he still has hair all around the scabbed area. Also, from what I've read, symptoms don't usually show up unless the dog isn't healthy. Marty is very healthy and active and has never had any serious medical issues. Do you guys still think it might be ringworm?

Well, in our experience it's the area inside of the ring that is devoid of hair. Normally a ringworm spot is first just a red spot, then it turns into a red ring with no hair inside the ring. Then if it goes untreated, it can scab. Again, I'm not saying for sure that this is what Marty has...... it just really looks suspiciously like what I've seen before. It definitely still could be an allergy issue but like I said, I have had no experience with that.

And no, I don't fully believe the health thing you mentioned because both Tatum and Stormie (our Aust. Shep.) have always been very healthy - no vet visits ever except their vaccinations - and they both got the ringworm from the cats. Ringworm is extremely contagious..... I meant to ask if you and your husband have noticed any spots on yourselves. My daughters both got it years ago from some kittens that my MIL got from a friend. Those poor kittens had ringworm so horribly that my daughters got it from them after just playing with them a few times. Turns out the guy that she got the kittens from ending up telling her that his daughters had "this ringworm thing" and he had no idea that's what it was until she told him her grand daughters got it! Ugh!

I believe MyFairLacy said there is a blacklight test the vet can do..... have the vet do that for you and maybe the skin scraping also. I can't believe he's treating this like it's something in the inner ear. That sounds weird to me. After seeing those pictures, I would definitely assume that a vet would have scraped it or something.

luv_my_yorkies · 01-09-2008, 09:20 AM

My vote is still allergies! Are your baby's ears warm to the touch and red? Is he rubbing them into the ground at all? Tino's ears went from just red to scabby, just like the pic you posted, overnight! I took him to the vet the next morning and sure enough, it was allergies. I had given both he and his yorkie sister boiled chicken that evening and turns out he was allergic! I had to keep the scabs moist and give him a baby-dose antihistamine...but it cleared it right up. He was miserable, but at least now we know.

01-08-2008, 04:53 PM	#1
Brennydoogles Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 163	Seeking Non-urgent medical advice Angiedoogles and I have been taking Marty to the same vet since he was a puppy, and until recently have been very satisfied. Recently however, we have felt like the vet has been diagnosing and treating issues without properly looking at Marty ( he has had hot-spots and itching for a while, and she claimed they were caused by allergies, and gave him a shot) , and none of the treatments have worked. Last week we took Marty back to the vet, because he has developed something similar to scabs on the top section of both of his ears. We are fairly certain that they are not scabs, because A.) He has not cut his ears at all, and B.) They are not going away, but rather spreading slowly. When we took him to the vet, she did an exam that lasted about a minute and a half (not even looking at his ears), and then swabbed the inside of his ears (the growth is on the top) to look for an infection. She lef the room, and a few minutes later a tech came back in and said that the swab came back with a very slight increase in bacteria over normal (in his inner ear), and gave us some antibiotics and some drops to put on the affected area and sent us home. I know I'm not a vet, but does this sound strange to anyone else? Angie and I love our puppies, and would pay any amount of money we have for them to be well, but we don't want to pay vet bills if they are not going to be well. Thanks so much in advance for the help!! __________________ True manliness lies in holding a little girl Yorkie, who is wearing a fluffy pink dress. I am MAN!--

01-08-2008, 05:31 PM	#4
luv_my_yorkies Love at first bark Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 677	Tino has had crusty scabs on the inside of his ears, they started as watery blisters and then scabbed over. His ears were red and warm to the touch. The cause was food allergies(chicken). It was heartbreaking to see him in such a state of distress. Now we feed him Wellness and he has been great! No scabs Not sure if it is the same thing...just though I'd let you know. Best of luck with your little one. __________________ My loves, my angels, my Yorkies. Valentino, Lolita, and Coquette!

01-08-2008, 05:33 PM	#5
Shelby&Seymour "& Seeger, too" Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 5,169	We, too, had something similar to this with a Miniature-Schnauzer that we had years ago. She was allergic to grass !!...... We kept her out of it as much as we could for awhile and used oatmeal shampoo and also an oatmeal based conditioning spray. In no time her skin was back to normal. (and sure enough, if she was outside in the yard too long..... it would come back) Good Luck in finding the cause of his skin problem..... have you tried an oatmeal based shampoo? It does help soothe the skin, too! __________________ Happy Fall Y'all! 🎃

01-08-2008, 09:18 PM	#7
Brennydoogles Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 163	well, we've been feeding him Nutro-small bites for quite some time now (and we buy the big bags, so he has had this particular bag for a month or two at least) so I'm not sure the food would be the cause. As for playing too roughly, when he and Maddie play it consists mostly of him pushing her around while she rubs her face on the ground ( lol ). I am fairly certain we are going to switch vets, we just need to find a good one in our area. If anyone local happens to know of one... feel free to let us know! __________________ True manliness lies in holding a little girl Yorkie, who is wearing a fluffy pink dress. I am MAN!--

01-08-2008, 09:25 PM	#8
For My Coby Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,139	Sorry, I don't have any advice for you. Reggie has always had skin and ear allergies, but Nutro is what we feed, and it's TONS better now for the allergies. Good luck on deciding if you want to try a new vet. That's never easy. BUT I would also like to say I just LOVE your new tagline!! __________________ Diane, and my boys ..... Coby and Reggie !! Striving to be a YTPP - a YT Positive Poster! In Memory of My Beautiful Mother 7/22/28-8/27/08

01-08-2008, 04:55 PM	#2
yougetthesmiles BANNED FOR NOT MAILING PRODUCTS PURCHASED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,295 Blog Entries: 3	Have you tried to switch his food to see if he is allergic to it? What are you feeding him?

01-08-2008, 05:07 PM	#3
simonandhallie *I Love My Monkeys!* Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Falling Waters, WV Posts: 11,166	Simon had something similar on the top of his ears. Our vet said it was most likely caused by rough play between he and Hallie and was just a little scratch but since the ears are so sensitive they tend to scab over from the smallest of scratches. I think you should consider switching vets just for peace of mind. It's such a relief to have a vet you trust and respect Good Luck!

01-08-2008, 05:42 PM	#6
MiLeighsMoM BANNED! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 562	My Boxer had the very same thing... He was allergic to the package material my new sheeets came in... I told my ex to wash them before we put them on the bed and he didn't and comet started getting that.. His Ears were so red and hot and had nasty scabs on him in 1 day it made his face red to... My Vet told me if i changed anything or used something diffrent try and take it away and see if it changes... I took the sheets off the bed and put some that were folded on the bed cuz that was the only thing diffrent i did.. in 3 days he was clear.. .Washed the sheets it never came back

01-08-2008, 10:28 PM	#9
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	You might have him checked for ringworm. It can appear to be scabs that spread. You don't see it as much in dogs but I have a cat that is a carrier of ringworm...normally doesn't show signs unless her immune system is suppressed. A lot of the time it will show up first on a cat's ears and feet...not sure about dogs though. Your vet can use a blacklight to check for it. That is strange about your vet...maybe you should try getting a second opinion. I think it's a good idea to check for ringworm and do a skin scraping to see what the scabs might be. __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

01-09-2008, 09:02 AM	#13
AngieDoogles Mom to Marty & Maddie Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: TN Posts: 2,995 Blog Entries: 1	So I looked up information about ringworm, and it says (and all of the pictures showed) that there is a small round area devoid of hair at the infected site. As you can see in the pics of Marty's ears, he still has hair all around the scabbed area. Also, from what I've read, symptoms don't usually show up unless the dog isn't healthy. Marty is very healthy and active and has never had any serious medical issues. Do you guys still think it might be ringworm? __________________ Marty Maddie

01-09-2008, 09:20 AM	#15
luv_my_yorkies Love at first bark Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 677	My vote is still allergies! Are your baby's ears warm to the touch and red? Is he rubbing them into the ground at all? Tino's ears went from just red to scabby, just like the pic you posted, overnight! I took him to the vet the next morning and sure enough, it was allergies. I had given both he and his yorkie sister boiled chicken that evening and turns out he was allergic! I had to keep the scabs moist and give him a baby-dose antihistamine...but it cleared it right up. He was miserable, but at least now we know. __________________ My loves, my angels, my Yorkies. Valentino, Lolita, and Coquette!