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Old 12-08-2010, 05:46 PM   #1
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Question Merry CHRISTMAS -- or Happy Holidays?

It's annoyed me that every year seems to get worse with trying to be all politically correct and people not saying Merry Christmas.

I don't particularly mind Happy Holidays but I think it's really dumb for people to get all up in arms about it. If it comes up, I will say Merry Christmas to someone, not Happy Holidays and I've never had anybody dispute it. I'm not trying to be offensive or small-minded believing everyone are Christians or anything.

But seriously, most of America celebrates Christmas. It's just how it is and how it always has been. I believe, like, 86% of Americans are Christian and I'm no major religious person who attends church every Sunday or anything but I do enjoy and celebrate Christmas time and I don't feel like I should have to cater to the few who don't.

If someone told me Happy Hanukkah, I wouldn't care, and I'd just say same to you, or thank you, or whatever, and move about my way. I also know a few Jewish people (well, only 2) who could care less. They sing along with Christmas music as much as we do.

We have this Lights Parade here and have every year since I've been born at least, where you drive through and look at the pretty Christmas lights, etc, and no longer is there allowed to be anything about Jesus or God and (like I said, I'm not even a 'religious' person) but I find that dumb considering it IS his birthday celebration and all. It's turned into so much of a secular holiday anyways. To me Christmas is a time for family and a time for giving.

Basically, I just find it annoying how everything has to be so politically correct. And I wish people could just ignore or get over it, LOL.

Sorry, rant for the day! This is not meant to be a religious thread... just basically saying Merry Christmas vs. Happy Holidays.
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Don't be sorry. I agree with you. When I was a kid everyone said Merry Christmas. I still do. My cousin was a teacher in the NYC school system and she said that they weren't allowed to have any nativity scene, etc. They could not display anything that was for Christmas. It had to be a holiday theme, very generalized as to not offend anyone. My boys went to Catholic school so we had the Christmas plays, nativity scene, lighting of the advent wreath etc. Sometimes I think the politically correct things have gone a little too far.
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It's all about being politically correct at work. We're technically a church, don't know what kind of church but that's beside the point. We're not allowed to bring up any holiday AT ALL with the kids (I work for a school program) for fear we might offend someone's religious beliefs. But at the office, we have a Christmas tree. Oh and the kids get gifts during this time. Just adding to the confusion right?

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This has been going on for years . . .it all started when my daughter entered 1st grade . . .there was no more Halloween party it was replaced with Harvest party and no more Christmas parties at school because that was replaced with Winter celebration . . .yet, in order to call someone anywhere in customer service we have to Press 1 for English . . .I have no idea what has happened over the last 16 years but seriously, it'll always be Halloween, Christmas, etc for me so Merry Christmas to all who celebrate Christmas!
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I am Jewish- I don't tend to get offended very easily by things like this, around this time of year people always say Merry Christmas, or have a nice Christmas or something to me and I just say "same to you" and move on. I did find it slightly amusing when I was younger and people would say something about whether I had been a good girl so that Santa would bring me nice presents and then THEY would get offended when I told them Santa wasn't real. I didn't do it to be rude, I was just a very matter of fact child and my parents had told me very young that Santa wasn't real, so I didn't understand why all the adults made such a big deal about this fake person

Anyway- I mostly tell people to have a nice holiday season- this encompasses everything including the new year- but whatever you say to me is fine.

The only thing that does kind of offend me is when friends send Christmas cards- its one thing if you had Christmas cards made and you want to send that- but when you just go to Hallmark and buy me a Christmas card, you just as easily could have bought me a Hanukkah card and showed that you put some thought into it- but that only offends me with people who I know well who obviously KNOW that I am Jewish.
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i agree with Brit a lot on this subject. having worked in daycare it pissed me off to no end we could teach them everything about Santa and Christmas trees, but nothing about God or Jesus' birth. In school history classes you can learn just about every religion on earth BUT Christianity. something is wrong with that. if you are going to say NO personal or religious beliefs then outlaw ALL of them. Santa included. or let us show them EVERYTHING we can about all the different ways to celebrate Christmas season and get over it. if people don't like it, don't participate, but don't make everyone else feel glum and horrible for their beliefs or celebrations. i mean it's like on "Outsourced" he doesn't go over there to India and tell them he's offended by all their holidays the same as they don't get all upset that he celebrates his holiday from the USA. we need to learn that it's OK to be who we are no matter what that is and accept all things from all sides. don't rule out or abbolish someone's beliefs unless they are causing physical harm to someone else or totally illegal and unethical...nothing about Christmas and Jesus IMO can become unethical and dangerous or hazardous to others so why worry about being politically correct. let's just celebrate and enjoy it.

and one more thing. i HATE the Xmas thing. that's the rudest thing a person can do is to completely remove Christ's name from the word and X him out of it. it's his birthday. you wouldn't call George Washington's Birthday X-day would you?

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Being Jewish, I definitely have a different outlook on this. While I certainly won't lose any sleep when someone says Merry Christmas to me and I graciously reply the same if they celebrate Christmas, I would much prefer if someone acknowledges my holiday and says "Happy Chanukah". And to be completely honest with you, if someone knows that I'm Jewish and says Merry Christmas to me, I find that to be ignorant. But I won't hold it against them because like you said, most Americans do celebrate Christmas. But what would it take to say Happy Chanukah to me?

I'm not religious by any means. I always felt left out when I was little because Santa didn't come to my house. I didn't get to paint Easter eggs. It was ok though because we celebrated our holidays in other ways.

I love when I go to a store this time of year and they say Happy Holidays. Perhaps the greeters don't want to do that and are forced to do so, but they made just 1 more customer feel so very welcome. I smile as I walk in the store.

So, I say Merry Christmas to those who celebrate, Happy Chanukah to those who celebrate and Happy Holidays if I just don't know what to say.

While I see everyone's point of view, just put yourself in a position of a Jewish person (especially a child) who's holiday is rarely ever mentioned.
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I personally am not offended at all when someone says "Merry Christmas" to me and I am Jewish. There are people who are truly bothered by it due to strict religious beliefs, however. I don't think it's about being politically correct but about considering the way others feel. A nativity scene is a deeply religious symbol, and I don't think it has a place in a public school. I am a high school teacher on Long Island with a multicultural population of students. We have a huge celebratory day recognizing intercultural unity right before the holiday break. I definitely respect people's right to celebrate Christmas, and I happily will wish them so, but I think we shouldn't forget that not everyone believes in the true meaning of why Christmas is celebrated. I don't think most people who aren't Christian want to do anything to take away the right of others to celebrate their holiday. Many, many years ago at our school, when we decided to not have religious symbols there, the principal explained that there were students who came to talk to him that were truly deeply hurt by the symbols. We found a way to celebrate without hurting anyone. Although I personally wasn't bothered by the symbols, I wouldn't want to risk causing anyone pain because of them. Just another point of view...
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Being Jewish, I definitely have a different outlook on this. While I certainly won't lose any sleep when someone says Merry Christmas to me and I graciously reply the same if they celebrate Christmas, I would much prefer if someone acknowledges my holiday and says "Happy Chanukah". And to be completely honest with you, if someone knows that I'm Jewish and says Merry Christmas to me, I find that to be ignorant. But I won't hold it against them because like you said, most Americans do celebrate Christmas. But what would it take to say Happy Chanukah to me?

I'm not religious by any means. I always felt left out when I was little because Santa didn't come to my house. I didn't get to paint Easter eggs. It was ok though because we celebrated our holidays in other ways.

I love when I go to a store this time of year and they say Happy Holidays. Perhaps the greeters don't want to do that and are forced to do so, but they made just 1 more customer feel so very welcome. I smile as I walk in the store.

So, I say Merry Christmas to those who celebrate, Happy Chanukah to those who celebrate and Happy Holidays if I just don't know what to say.

While I see everyone's point of view, just put yourself in a position of a Jewish person (especially a child) who's holiday is rarely ever mentioned.
I understand. That's why I sent out Holiday cards instead of Christmas cards for the card exchange. I did the same last year. I just find it so backwards that my job's policy is one and we do something else entirely.
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Being Jewish, I definitely have a different outlook on this. While I certainly won't lose any sleep when someone says Merry Christmas to me and I graciously reply the same if they celebrate Christmas, I would much prefer if someone acknowledges my holiday and says "Happy Chanukah". And to be completely honest with you, if someone knows that I'm Jewish and says Merry Christmas to me, I find that to be ignorant. But I won't hold it against them because like you said, most Americans do celebrate Christmas. But what would it take to say Happy Chanukah to me?

I'm not religious by any means. I always felt left out when I was little because Santa didn't come to my house. I didn't get to paint Easter eggs. It was ok though because we celebrated our holidays in other ways.

I love when I go to a store this time of year and they say Happy Holidays. Perhaps the greeters don't want to do that and are forced to do so, but they made just 1 more customer feel so very welcome. I smile as I walk in the store.

So, I say Merry Christmas to those who celebrate, Happy Chanukah to those who celebrate and Happy Holidays if I just don't know what to say.

While I see everyone's point of view, just put yourself in a position of a Jewish person (especially a child) who's holiday is rarely ever mentioned.
I was busy writing my post when I this was posted, and although I wouldn't have said it so eloquently, it expresses most of how I feel and how I give wishes during this season. I wasn't bothered as a child about Christmas, but I know many students and people in my childhood who have expressed feeling that way. The school I teach in has a large Jewish population, so they have many Jewish peers. Still, not having so many people recognize their holiday is difficult for a child, even a teenager.
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I have Merry Christmas in my signature. I wish everyone, regardless of their religion, a merry Christmas -- the day I celebrate as the birth of my Savior. I am not trying to convert -- I am just wishing them a Merry day -- the day of Christmas. I would be pleased if a Jewish member wished me a Happy Hannakah or if an African American wished me a Happy Kwannza or even if an agnostic or atheist wished me a good day.

People need to quit thinking of it as we are trying to say everyone is a Christian. It is just as a person, I want to wish others a happy day on December 25th, which is my Christmas. It has lpong bothered me that people feel pressured into only saying Happy Holidays. Stand up for whatever you believe and wish those you want a good day on a day that is special to you.

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I am Jewish- I don't tend to get offended very easily by things like this, around this time of year people always say Merry Christmas, or have a nice Christmas or something to me and I just say "same to you" and move on. I did find it slightly amusing when I was younger and people would say something about whether I had been a good girl so that Santa would bring me nice presents and then THEY would get offended when I told them Santa wasn't real. I didn't do it to be rude, I was just a very matter of fact child and my parents had told me very young that Santa wasn't real, so I didn't understand why all the adults made such a big deal about this fake person

Anyway- I mostly tell people to have a nice holiday season- this encompasses everything including the new year- but whatever you say to me is fine.

The only thing that does kind of offend me is when friends send Christmas cards- its one thing if you had Christmas cards made and you want to send that- but when you just go to Hallmark and buy me a Christmas card, you just as easily could have bought me a Hanukkah card and showed that you put some thought into it- but that only offends me with people who I know well who obviously KNOW that I am Jewish.
I love your response! And I agree about your friends sending Christmas cards.

While I don't want Christmas traditions renamed "Holiday" traditions (why decorate the White House and the National Mall and call it "Holiday" decorations? Can't argue separation of church and state and still throw up trees and garland) I do agree with Karen about saying "Happy Holidays" when I am unsure which holidays a person celebrates.
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i agree with Brit a lot on this subject. having worked in daycare it pissed me off to no end we could teach them everything about Santa and Christmas trees, but nothing about God or Jesus' birth. In school history classes you can learn just about every religion on earth BUT Christianity. something is wrong with that. if you are going to say NO personal or religious beliefs then outlaw ALL of them. Santa included. or let us show them EVERYTHING we can about all the different ways to celebrate Christmas season and get over it. if people don't like it, don't participate, but don't make everyone else feel glum and horrible for their beliefs or celebrations. i mean it's like on "Outsourced" he doesn't go over there to India and tell them he's offended by all their holidays the same as they don't get all upset that he celebrates his holiday from the USA. we need to learn that it's OK to be who we are no matter what that is and accept all things from all sides. don't rule out or abbolish someone's beliefs unless they are causing physical harm to someone else or totally illegal and unethical...nothing about Christmas and Jesus IMO can become unethical and dangerous or hazardous to others so why worry about being politically correct. let's just celebrate and enjoy it.

and one more thing. i HATE the Xmas thing. that's the rudest thing a person can do is to completely remove Christ's name from the word and X him out of it. it's his birthday. you wouldn't call George Washington's Birthday X-day would you?
I totally agree with you and Brit!

I find the people who choose to write xmas for the purpose to remove Christ, very amusing. In Greek, the letter Χ (chi), is the first letter of Christ, and it, or the similar Roman letter X, has been used as an abbreviation for Christ since the mid-16th century. Hence, Xmas is often used as an abbreviation for Christmas.

The X is like a cross because it can be adjusted to look like a cross, and also because the two lines of the X cross. The X does stand for Christ .
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Being Jewish, I definitely have a different outlook on this. While I certainly won't lose any sleep when someone says Merry Christmas to me and I graciously reply the same if they celebrate Christmas, I would much prefer if someone acknowledges my holiday and says "Happy Chanukah". And to be completely honest with you, if someone knows that I'm Jewish and says Merry Christmas to me, I find that to be ignorant. But I won't hold it against them because like you said, most Americans do celebrate Christmas. But what would it take to say Happy Chanukah to me?

I'm not religious by any means. I always felt left out when I was little because Santa didn't come to my house. I didn't get to paint Easter eggs. It was ok though because we celebrated our holidays in other ways.

I love when I go to a store this time of year and they say Happy Holidays. Perhaps the greeters don't want to do that and are forced to do so, but they made just 1 more customer feel so very welcome. I smile as I walk in the store.

So, I say Merry Christmas to those who celebrate, Happy Chanukah to those who celebrate and Happy Holidays if I just don't know what to say.

While I see everyone's point of view, just put yourself in a position of a Jewish person (especially a child) who's holiday is rarely ever mentioned.
Oh, Karen, maybe I worded my first post wrong. I would never say Merry Christmas to someone I KNEW celebrated Chanukah. That would just be rude!
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Oh, Karen, maybe I worded my first post wrong. I would never say Merry Christmas to someone I KNEW celebrated Chanukah. That would just be rude!
I was just generalizing, not necessarily meaning "you". I like this thread. It's always important to understand why people think the way they do.
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