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Old 04-11-2010, 01:46 AM   #1
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as a fairly new member of YT, i hae never in my life (ironically) seen such catty-ness (however that is spelled, or if it's a word).

i have been participating in online discussions for over 10 years, and this is one of the most judgemental forums i've ever experienced. at first i thought it was just me and i'd hit a nerve, but after looking around -it seems as if most "newbies" feel the same.

god FORBID someone use the word "teacup" or ask a question about breeding. it seems as if there is some elite group here, or so "they" think.

yes, i realize "teacup" isn't recognized by the AKC - save it.

the point is - people who come here, come here for a reason. they come here because they love yorkies. it's a major turn off when they immediately get corrected in a smart aleck tone - whatever the question/comment may be.

all breeders (aka the elite/judgemental group) started out somewhere - unless you were just born knowing everything! did you magically appear in the ring? did the yorkie god knight you?

furthermore, who are you to judge? when someone comes on here asking a question about breeding - who are YOU to judge? did every breeder not start at the bottom? did every breeder not have to make that first purchase?

realistically, anyone who breeds had to buy A (as in ONE) dog to begin with, correct? from there, they had to buy another (of the opposite sex) in order to breed - right? did you know at that point everything there is to know? oh, of course you did, because you had attended shows and had a mentor. a mentor who was not a BYB - deemed by none other than YOURSELF.

BACKYARD breeder - that's the word of the day here! if someone has a question then they must be a backyard breeder or just trying to make a profit!

by the way, what is a backyard breeder vs. an ethical breeder? oh, wait, i know - an ethical breeder does it to improve the breed and the backyard breeder does it for money. HELLO! all pups are sold for money! this is the internet - anyone can come on here and say, "i show my dogs. they are champions. i do it to preserve the blood lines." so, a backyard breeder is someone who has a kennel outside and a ethical breeder has pups in a playpen in their bedroom? oh, no, it's not location, but intent - right? i've seen pictures of pups from "the best/most knowledgable breeders" in their living quarters aka playpens/crates - whatever. i've seen people who have had "accidental pups" (aka backyard breeders) with living conditions that look exactly the same!!!

whether you are a BYB or an ethical breeder is a matter of opinion - self opinion!

i could've easily come on here pretending to be whoever i wanted to be - as could anyone else. people ask questions because they want answers, not criticism. what are you missing in your life that the only thng that makes you happy is to be hateful to everyone else? seriously, that is the vibe us "newbies" get.
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Pravo. I was once a newbie. I posted one time and didn't do it again. It seems that I didn't do it the right way and was told by several people in a way that I thought was rude, so this is the first I have typed anything. I am here almost every day just to read. There are times when I see a newbie question and I know that their answers won't be nice. You hit the nail on the head.
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amen! thanks for speaking up!

it's almost as if people are afraid to post here out of fear and that is ridiculous!!!

i for one am not afraid of anyone IN PERSON, let alone online!

i'll take the heat - bring it!
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Was your thread removed after I responded
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Old 04-11-2010, 03:17 AM   #5
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Well - my 2 cents (and I am NOT a breeder - nor part of some 'elite' group - but if you see how long I've been here ....I feel I can say this

For every ONE of you - there are 100's who become permanent members & never experience being judged. I agree some get 'the' treatment -but I also see newbies give it right back.....I've been on other sites and they were BRUTAL - this really is one of the nicer ones IMO - though lately I see what you're saying

I personally have never been judged (I don't think) and I post some off the wall stuff sometimes (joking of course)

How many out there think they can buy a teacup yorkie not knowing they're being 'gouged' for more money just because a breeder uses it as a selling ploy ?....... If no one spoke up - then how would people know ? (and I DO agree it's HOW you tell them that counts) but you have to remember - there are MANY personalities here - not everyone speaks the same

in the big picture - what may be something you consider judging - may be anothers learning experience -

personally... I'm a lover not a fighter but have seen so many things I DIDN'T know from reading stuff you would consider a judgement threads

this site is to learn and talk and in my case - hang out.....(it's better than Adult Friend Finder right ?)

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i agree with Vee here...

as far as the internet goes....there are times when someone type something and is read completely different then intended....and it could be from the mood/emotions that the person is currently in...and i am not saying that's how it is...but most of the time it is....when someone or a topic is hot....so are people emotions and they can take someone else words and make it person when that was not the intention of the person that wrote it....

and i am not a part of any group....we are all here because of our passion for the yorkie breed....and there are areas that some are more passionate about and will voice their opinions on it....no 2 person is the same in the real world and that goes for the internet also...just my 2 cents
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ps- I wasn't making light of your post - lately I've noticed just what you said - but I've also noticed many 'newbies' on attack also....

Try to look at the zillions of other posts here - where there may be one that seems judgemental - there's hundreds more that are supportive....it really is a good bunch of people who post here -

some people also forget the 'breeders' who post here do more than offer advise - I've read where some have stayed up all night with total strangers helping them

they're pretty much always available to someone with questions...so please go easy on them - there really ARE too many people breeding these days - it must be frustrating for the ones who invested their lives into these beautiful dogs to see the random breeding taking place with yorkies since they've become so popular
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First of all, Good Morning! If you take the time and read all of the threads you will realize this is a large group of people from all over the World with one thing in common, Yorkies. I personally have learned so much, not only about my Yorkies but about myself. Most exhibitors on this forum go above and beyond to help with many situations. I personally have met several exhibitors that are YT members and they are the nicest people that love this breed and only want to help educate. I dont mean to disrespect you but you seem judgemental. Please dont attack the Good Breeders but you are welcome to channel your energy on the ones who breed for $$$. Try to change their way of thinking and making money. Help them understand and learn. Thats what YT is all about, helping and educating and making friends along the way. Good luck to you and welcome to YT. I need my
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I agree...... before I started reading on YT I didn't know about

"teacup" Yorkies.... (how breeders use the term to make $$)
Luxating Patellas... (My little girl has now had successful surgery)
the huge differences in types of dogfoods
Hypoglycemia in small dogs
How a full coat yorkie should be groomed/trimmed
Liver shunt symptoms

.......... I could go on & on & on........ try to make YT a learning experience..... I don't think that anything said was meant to hurt you or to start an argument..... but I think by reading your post, you could be looking for someone that wants to.

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There are wonderful people here who breed but dont show. They do the testing and their yorkies are well taken care of. I know because I got Jazzy from someone on YT who found out that she shouldnt breed and she had her spayed....at her expense!! She even drove her to me from Nebraska (knowing it would break her heart)! However, people like her are lumped into the same category as a backyard breeder & I think that is WRONG. I have seen this over and over on this forum and that is just WRONG.

I agree, people are judgemental on here and they go way too far. You can love the breed, get your point across all the while being a kind person and not offensive.

I love YT and respect everyone's opinion and glad we have so many from all around the world. I just wish some would change their approach.
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First of all, I'm not a breeder or a member of any "elite" group.
I am someone who loves Yorkies and I've been a member for 3 1/2 yrs.
I've said before that I love YT because it makes me laugh, it helps me to learn, it inspires me and sometimes it makes me mad or sad. I take the good with the bad.
It's an open forum with thousands of members from all over the world sharing advice, opinions, etc.. Not everyone is going to agree and different styles of posting can often be interpreted a number of different ways.
I honestly feel that the vast majority of posts from newbies looking for puppies or people who are looking to breed start out getting a lot of good advice & educational responses. I think the posts go downhill when people on all sides start disagreeing with the opinions and advice given.
I disagree that most posts start out with a smart aleck tone. I tend to feel that the ones that do can often be referenced in the way the tone of the OP was started and/or a response someone has that doesn't like the info and advice given to the OP.
People come on to YT for different reasons and intentions and not all are good. Some people just like to inflame and cause drama.
I've always said that when I'm posting I'm not just posting to the person who may have started it, but to all those people who are reading and looking to learn and get advice.
You never know which post someone looks at to get that, so I think if names, terms, phrases, etc.. come up then people should use that opportunity to help get out the information.
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I think what she is saying is that Yes, there is a enormous mount of Knowledge here on YT. The Newbies do come here to learn and share, but when alot of them first post looking for answers or just showing off their baby, they are immediately pounced upon and made to feel very very unwelcome.
I think if people would just take the time and explain in a nicer way and treat newbies like a newborn baby and guide them gently instead of taking the switch and beating them right off they would get a lot more out of it.
Lately there have been quite few posts about how newbies are feeling unwelcome , to me that says something is not right.
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No one needs to change their approach. People need to learn that when they post things publically there will be responses. They can take what they want and use it....and leave the rest behind. If they choose to leave YT, so be it. To blame someone for a person leaving and call them out all of the time is simply engaging in the very behaviors people say they are offended by.

When I first came to YT I got jumped on. I was a little taken aback, but did not leave. I thought about it and did lay back for a while to kind of get a feel for what YT is about.

There is also the trusty little "ignore list" and trust me, I use it and love it. I have been followed by people who seemed to love to try to egg people on ... found that if they are on ignore and I don't read what they say then they cannot get into my head. Life is too short to allow people to push buttons.

There is no way you will ever get every single person in any group...online or in real life to respond to things the same way.

All of this stuff is simply drama in my opinion and honestly a waste of time. There are many people who need advice that people should focus on. Trying to change other people's manner of responding is clearly a waste of time and energy.

I cannot imagine how many complaints the poor mods must listen to...seriously. Somehow this looks to me like a certain group is just trying SO hard to get rid of people and the tactics are just so obvious.

This latest thing took on a ridiculous air...people have flipped it into making anyone who did not like seeing that poor pup being used to make money into evil demons who hate the poor and disabled. Simply astounding to me that ANYONE who read that woman's posts could not feel strongly about how that dog has been exploited and USED. But, to some of you, that is ok....just a dog I guess.
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I had to say something again

I have a totally embarassing post count.

I keep seeing the word ELITE being used - people being slammed for taking time to post to others and yes - correcting them sometimes - (I usually try to stay clear of that stuff cause I know others will do it)

Actually I'd rather joke around then be serious - unless it's called for then I will be....BUT......

I don't feel elite at ALL

why is that ?

I'm crushed.

Can I get some love here ? I promise I won't slam you for doing it (nor will I think you're gay)
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I had to say something again

I have a totally embarassing post count.

I keep seeing the word ELITE being used - people being slammed for taking time to post to others and yes - correcting them sometimes - (I usually try to stay clear of that stuff cause I know others will do it)

Actually I'd rather joke around then be serious - unless it's called for then I will be....BUT......

I don't feel elite at ALL

why is that ?

I'm crushed.

Can I get some love here ? I promise I won't slam you for doing it (nor will I think you're gay)
Lol, you are funny! Sending love your way!!
I know I'm not elite! That's ok!
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