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08-24-2012, 09:08 AM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Columbia, MD, USA
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| Our family fell inlove with yorkies - Our Princess Truffles & Sir Wynston I'm so happy to find this site! It's very helpful! We didn't have any plans of getting a dog at the time but both my husband and I grew up having multiple ones. Our daughter is now 12 and has been begging for a dog. We usually go to a nearby pet store to play with the pups and in one occassion, I saw this tiny, well-behaved female yorkie looking at me. I decided to pet her and as soon as she sat on my lap, she just constantly look at me and just sat as if, she was saying, "Take me home, mama!". I talked to my husband to come home early because we saw this really cute pup... When he came home, we took him to the pet shop, not knowing that I already reserved the pup we named, Truffles. As soon as he saw her, he fell in love with her as well. Our family fell in love with the breed... And just this week, we got our little male yorkie we named, Sir Wynston. Yes - there is a "Sir" in front of his name, Wynston because his persona is very aristocratic (named after Winston Churchill). Our yorkies are not spayed or neutered... so, we're all looking forward to our Princess Truffles' and Sir Wynston's pups!! @ngelfaithwyngs |
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08-24-2012, 09:45 AM | #2 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Posts: 37,147
| Pups from pet shops come from puppy mills and arent good representatives of the breed and shouldnt be bred. Also pups from puppy mills often have underling health problems that shouldnt be passed on. I know you love your dogs and you think they would have cute puppies but thats not a good reason to breed. Just love them as pampered pets
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08-24-2012, 09:47 AM | #3 |
Izzy's Momma Too! Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stuart, Florida
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| Your pups are adorable. Their little faces are just precious! Please spay and neuter them and enjoy them as loving family members. You don't know their background, pedigree, medical issues, etc., so how could you breed them not knowing what you will produce? If they are from a pet store (My Luna is) then they came from a puppymill, where health testing is NOT done and they keep breeding sick dogs over and over again. Breeding these two would be a huge gamble. Please do some reading on the Breeder's Forum here, and you will see that it's not advisable for a novice to take up breeding, and with unknown congenital issues lurking in the dogs. There is so much to learn and know, so much health testing that needs to be done. Honestly, it would be cheaper to buy another puppy than to breed There is the chance that the dam and/or puppies will die during whelping. Your little boy could have a drastic personality change from being allowed to mate. Welcome to YT and please think about this for a bit and do some research first. Please. These babies are counting on you to keep them safe and healthy. I also fell in love with the Yorkie breed, as has everyone here That is the reason that I feel I must inform you of these things, not trying to be mean or negative. Please know that I want the best for your Yorkies and your family
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08-24-2012, 09:52 AM | #4 |
I love TBCG! Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: MD
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| Welcome to YT from a fellow Marylander We live about 5 minutes from Columbia Your babies are adorable. I wanted to tell you a couple of things in reference to pet stores and breeding. I did not know this when I got Georgie but because of the amazing people here I learned to never buy from a Pet Store. Most if not all get their puppies from Puppy Mills which have deplorable conditions they don't care about the dogs and many end up with health problems....since they aren't taking care properly from birth. As far as breeding no one can tell you what to do but I would suggest that you don't breed. There are so many things that can happen when you breed with the female and judging by your post I know you love them a lot and wouldn't want anything to happen to them. If you still feel the urge to breed I suggest you check out the breeding section of YT and ask a lot of questions. Also, please do not breed your female if she is less then 5lbs. Again, welcome and I look forward to more pics of your babies.
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08-24-2012, 10:34 AM | #5 |
Owned by a Gremlin Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Mitten State!
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| Welcome to YT! Your babies are beautiful! And two, sheesh you are a brave brave woman. But who can resist those faces? I've been thinking about getting another pup myself, but I think my husband will hurt me! I know some posters above said this already, but it's so important that I think I need to mention it again. Although, we love our babies and always want to be surrounded by them and want to share their personalities with others, breeding is a royal pain in the back end, and can be very deadly to our babies. I know you said that you got your babies from a pet store, my Gizmo is from a pet store. And, speaking from experience, pet stores get their pups from Backyard breeders or puppy mills at a very young age. And even though these pups come with health certificates, or a one year guarantee, many times, these pups develop social issues, digestive issues, and developmental issues from being taken away from their Momma so young search on some of my posts and see the heart ache and money that I've had to shell out due to Gizmo's issues. Breeding toy dogs is such a challenge. And when you don't know your pups lineage, or don't have a history of their parent's genetic testing - like all reputable breeders have- many times pups can be born with genetic issues and conditions that make breeding very heart breaking. Besides praying for healthy pups, many times Yorkies, due to their size, need c-sections for delivery that can run a minimum of $3,000 not including pup care afterwards. I really welcome you to YT, however I ask - heck even beg - of you (coming from one pet store dog owner to another) to have your babies fixed, and not risk their lives to breed. Breeding is a tricky hobby, and I as well as many others, leave it to those who are experienced. Spend the money that you'd have to set aside for genetic testing, possibly vet emergencies, and c-sections on spoiling your two babies! Please reconsider, and post more pictures!
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08-24-2012, 10:40 AM | #6 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Columbia, MD, USA
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| Thank you all for your responses! Please don't get me wrong... we have no intentions of breeding our yorkies for commercial purposes. We want them to have puppies for our family to keep. Our Truffles is doing great and we don't have any health problems with her. Our Wynston, he's been with us just for a few days, so far, he's doing well adjusting, though we have some jealousy issues with Truffles. Both of them are very pampered just like any other yorkie I see in this community. At some point any pet lover will have to start from where to get their pets. Owners who want to breed them for whatever purpose obviously need to be educated. It's the responsibility of the owners to make sure that they are healthy just like our own children. At this point, our family are just enjoying our new family members. Thanks again for the replies! |
08-24-2012, 10:50 AM | #7 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Columbia, MD, USA
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| I'm not trying to be defensive but just like any other newbie in this community, I'm trying to educate myself and share the joy and the new found passion our family is experiencing now. If our puppies indeed came from a puppy mill, it's no difference from rescuing dogs of any breed. We're just happy we got them and we know for sure that they will have a good life with us as well as the puppies they will have - One big happy family! |
08-24-2012, 11:32 AM | #8 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Posts: 37,147
| I know you are just Tickled with your dogs it comes accross in your posts. I think its good that you are going to educate yourself. I know it seems more innocent if you are just breeding to give a puppy to family and friends but the risks are the same and the responsibilities are the same. Your female could have trouble birthing and her life, the lives of the pups or both could be at risk have you considered that. The female may need a csection that could run you about $3000 or more. The female may not be able to nurse the whole litter or you could have a pup that needs you to suppliment and you will be feeding pups every 2 hrs for 2 months are you prepared for that. Are you prepared to deal with your family or friends if you pass on a pup that has genetic problems. They could even sue you for vet costs. Will you be financially and emotionally prepared to deal with a sick pup maybe one that has cleft palate or has the intestines born on the outside or othyer things that can occur. Have your dogs been tested for liver shunt, luxating pattella,kidney problems ,and all otherr genetic problems Im not talking about a vet doing a general check up and saying they are healthy they need to be tested. You dont know anything about their history. These are just a few of the things to consider when breeding we havent even touched on if they are even a good representative of the breed to breed. Did you know that once you use your male to breed he is going to mark your house and other undesirable behaviors he will no longer be a pet but a breeding machine mentality. Is providing pups for family and friends worth all that. I think your friends and family can buy their own pup frrom a reputable breeder. Im not giving you worst case scenerios I am telling you all situations I have seen people in just on here. Please reconsider breeding
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08-24-2012, 11:38 AM | #9 |
Cedric♥Lola♥Keylo Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Gilford, NH, USA
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| welcome to yt your babies are adorable. im glad you are enjoying them as they do have such wonderful personalities.
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08-24-2012, 11:55 AM | #10 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Columbia, MD, USA
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| Thank you Chachi... Like I said, we like our yorkies to have puppies one time for our family to keep - meaning, my husband and I and my daughter. Not extended family and friends. We're too selfish to give them away. Financially, we are prepared. Not to brag or anything but my husband is a vet and he had the same set of questions when he asked me if we want the pups neutered or spayed and if I'm prepared for it. The education is for myself but I know I will have a good support should I need it. @ |
08-24-2012, 11:56 AM | #11 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Columbia, MD, USA
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| Thank you much! |
08-24-2012, 12:13 PM | #13 | |
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There are no if's and's or but's about it, for when you deliberatly or inadvertenly breed your female, you are putting her life at risk. The most immediate knowledge you need is to keep her safe from breeding for at least two seasons and she is over 18 months old. Earlier than that, is very problematic - large or Small Breed dogs. I truly hope you do educate yourself in all the risks. Please spend some time here in reading the Sick and Emergency Forum, and or the Yorkie Health and Diet forum, to understand the magnitude and the "cost" to the owners who have "bought" or received pups with health issues - which are often are of a genetic nature. If you do decide to go ahead with breeding her, I hope you secure the services of a toy breed whelping coach, and an appropriate reproduction vet. You literally have your females life in your hands. Please do what is best for her.
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08-24-2012, 12:20 PM | #14 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Columbia, MD, USA
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| Thank you! Yours as well |
08-24-2012, 12:20 PM | #15 |
Action Jackson ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Maryland
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| Your babies are gorgeous. I am also a fellow MD'er. Congrats! And believe me, when I first joined this site, I would've thought the same thing. I have learned so much about dogs since I brought Jackson home almost 4 years ago, so please do not take what I have to say as being judgmental or snobby, I am far from that! I'm actually a laid back 21 year old with a lot of experience with dogs. Breeding for reasons such as, my child should experience the amazing birth of new life, or we want to keep the pups, etc, is not the greatest idea. I'm assuming you have no idea of any health tests performed on the parents of your pups, or even met the parents of your pups? There is no way in telling how healthy a dog is under the age of 1, or heck even 3, 4, 5... sometimes health issues do not arise until later in life due to bad breeding. Of course a young puppy is going to be seemingly healthy. Not to mention, once your male breeds with your female, he will no longer be your "little boy". You will be dealing with marking, obsessive behaviors, etc. I am not against breeding in any way. There are many responsible breeders out there whose lives are dedicated to the breed, and they are breeding for the betterment of their breed. If she has 4-5 pups, are you really willing to keep them all? You say you want it just for your family. That would be expensive. If not, don't count on family members who say they want a pup. Most end up backing out or changing their mind. And then you have to be sure, if selling to someone else, that they sign a contract that states the puppies must be returned to you if at any point in their life, they can no longer own them again. That way you know where your dogs pups end up and don't help contribute to the over crowding shelters. There are thousands of yorkies in rescues and pounds right now, no need to add more. Putting your girl through birth has it's risks as well. Many well respected breeders here on YT have lost their girls in the process, or had to get an emergency c-section. Basically just wanted to come on and say I can feel your excitement and I'm so happy for your family! I think it's great that you are willing to learn more. I can't say I did not toy with the idea of cute little Jackson puppies running around... but quickly changed my mind when I realized how much time, money and work goes into it. Just enjoy your pups as pets. Raising two puppies at once is hard enough!
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