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FunkyMunkie · 12-15-2004, 09:13 AM

Goodness! This little squirt is running around like a headless chicken and disobeying like crazy!! She is now almost 4 months old so I know this is the stage where they want to be the boss of you... I was wondering how youall managed through this stage...what types of things did you do? Thanks so much!!

mybirdys2003 · 12-15-2004, 02:10 PM

You made me laugh! Yes they act like they are crazy or something! Up on the chair, jump to the couch, down on the floor etc. etc. It use to drive me nuts! I thought she was mental! But then, she would go out like a light, and she was like a damp mop. Just running off energy, I guess. If it gets too bad, you could put her in her crate for 15 min. or so and calm her down. Also, a greenie keeps them busy or a Petrodix stick (for teeth) or a doggy bone or something to help use up all that energy! Pat

Maddie-Rudy-Mom · 12-15-2004, 02:21 PM

Rudy just turned one and is still a little toot. We finally got some cold weather and that make all three of mine go crazy. Right now they are running around the house, even the old lady, Lucky is acting like a kid. The only good thing about the running wild, when they get done they will sleep. Never a dull moment with yorkies in a house.........Cindy

fasteddie · 12-15-2004, 02:25 PM

Greenies, hamhocks bones, taking them for LOOOOOONG walks to tire them out, anything to keep em occupied for a bit! Or we quarantine them for a bit (put them up on a table with blanket) to let them 'chill' out.

FunkyMunkie · 12-15-2004, 04:31 PM

Yeah, I put her in her play pen for the most part. What I meant to say though was how she doesn't come when called, etc. She use to come faster and I guess now that she learned that she can tune me out, she just goes about things HER WAY. I noticed because I had tried letting her off leash to go outside to potty, BIG MISTAKE! She'd go potty but then she'd go nuts wandering on her own... I read about puppy development and I heard it is cruical to monitor their behavior at this age (4-6 mons) because it's the age that carries over. Another thing is that the smaller the dog the faster they grow up...so time is essential with our babies.

thanks for all your help!

mybirdys2003 · 12-16-2004, 11:13 AM

Snoodles would do the same thing! At first I kwould just yell"Come" and she would come like a bat out of hell. Then she decided it was a game and would run away from me. What I did, was to call once and if she never came, go get her and act real mad. If that didn't work, I would call once and come in. She hates being left out alone. Whatever you do, don't let it get away from you as some day her life may depend on the command --- Come or Stay! It is very important! I am 64 yrs old with bad arthritis, so it was hard for me to chase her----which is what she wanted! But I kept it up and scolded and she doesn't do it now! Thank God! Pat

FunkyMunkie · 12-16-2004, 04:13 PM

AHhh! LOL I'm almost about to pull my hairs... she gets super hyper when its play time, more energy than a kid.

I need to know how you "punish" your babies? Is it wrong to punish them in their crate? I just put Luna there for her time out. She was being a little too bossy, biting me and all for not letting her roam around freely. I'm not sure if putting her in her crate is going to confuse her since it is her safe spot. I would also like to say that I got rid of her play pen because she would try to jump out, so know we keep her in her crate.

Suggestions on how to handle the crate training would be greatly appreciated!!

orinskye · 12-16-2004, 04:32 PM

im trying to figure the same thing out myself funkymunkie..... toby is twelve weeks, and he thinks his crate is THE MOST UNSAFE SPOT IN THE WORLD.... this is no joke, right now im trying trial and error though, consensus on teh web has been to get them to stay in their gradually, 30 minuits to 45 to 50 to and hour.... blah blah blah.........
i think he has SEVERE separation anxsiety, but then again.... he is only twelve weeks, so he is still a baby........ oh mmyorkies suggested putting this dog thing in with it, it has a heartbeat, ectt.... the breeder that i got toby from told me to try using a hot water bottle wrapped in a towel

FunkyMunkie · 12-16-2004, 04:55 PM

Oh Luna doesn't mind her crate... it's just getting her to go in voluntarily or on command is an issue. See it's kinda a long story, about her sleep arrangement/crate, but I will give it a shot for those who want to hear...lol

When we first got Luna we had her in the bathrrom shower area. In that area she had her crate with a towel and that puppy w/ the heartbeat. When we weren't playing that is where she would sleep, obviously when she was smaller she would sleep a lot more! After a few days we got her a play pen, just like the babies play pens. We kept her there only during the day with her towel, toys, food, etc. Then at night we would put her back in the shower area to sleep.

But today I decided to start her in her crate, completely, because she started to jump a lot in her play pen and we're afraid she may jump out. So I took out her play pen and have been putting her in her crate since this afternoon. I have already seen her sleeping in there at least 3 times today so I know she really doesn't mind. I also have not heard her crying or whining too much so I know that that is because she was accustomed to sleeping there in the shower area, but with the gate OPEN. Now I crate her completely, gate SHUT CLOSED!

What I don't know what to do now is punishment. I use to stick her in her play pen to punish her, never in her crate. I'm scared that I might reverse how she feels about her crate now that I shut the door on her.

orinskye · 12-16-2004, 05:24 PM

yeah i hear ya.......... toby will only go in voluntarily (with the gate open) if i make him go in the crate, he throws a royal FIT!!! just out of curiosity how old is luna? and how long did it take you to crate train her when she was a puppy?

Marie · 12-17-2004, 11:33 AM

Gucci is 5 months old and she wants to be boss. If we touch her bed she goes running and starts pulling on it for us to let go. Also she loves to bite our toes. We always tell her no biting. She used to stop but now all of a sudden she wont listen. She use to come when call and now she comes if she pleases. What I have done is talking to her with a strong voice sometimes works and sometimes doesnt. So I guess she is still trying to rule the house, lol.

mybirdys2003 · 12-17-2004, 12:52 PM

Mine is 11 months old now. She won't go in her crate by herself. I only crate her when we go to a store that won't let her in or we go somewhere she can't. At night she is always asleep on my lap, so to go to bed, I just carry her into my bedroom and put her in. She does have seperation anxiety and the minute I get up to put her to bed, she starts trembling. This does stop the minute she is in her crate though. Just be firm with them. My vet said you really have to show them who is boss. I don't encourage her when she runs and barks at me to play. Don't want her to think she can bark and get what she wants. Usually just turning my back on her and ignoring her when she is bad words for her. Sometimes, if she is really hyper I have to hold her to my chest and calm her. But all in all, she has settled down real well. Except when I try to clip nails! EEEK! WHat a fight! Pat

FunkyMunkie · 12-17-2004, 04:06 PM

it didnt take us very long to get Luna in her crate... she really does love it. She is now 4 mons and since day one we put her to sleep every night in her shower/crate area always with the gate open. If she would cry, we wouldn't pay attention to her and just leave her. Now when I put her in her crate during the day she really doesnt whine much... only a little when she wants to play or be with us.

However, my father gave in to putting the play pen back up for her. It is more convenient for us and her. She does have more space and all and it's much easier when she miss behaves to put her in the play pen since there is no gate we have to shut. I really want to train her to go in her crate be herself...but it's difficult when my father thinks that's being mean to the dog lol...

yes, we are one in decisive family... we're always changing but what's important is that we are trying to find what's best for both Luna and us...

Surprisingly enough, somehow, Luna has behaved marvelous after I posted this. She isn't biting anymore. I say one stern NO (if she bites my hand) and she stops and begins to lick my hand. That is one thing that I am amazed about... she really did learn to not bite fast. BUT she still does run away from me when I'm trying to get something she shouldn't have in her mouth. I also went back to taking her out on her leash instead of letting her roam freely, I heard it shows them who really is the boss. I'm currently working on having her walk by my side and not being pulled by her. lol I feel so bad though because sometimes I hold her back and she coughs a bit. But I think she is getting that it'll hurt more if she runs faster than me... we'll see...

Maddie-Rudy-Mom · 12-17-2004, 09:05 PM

FunkyMunkie, When Rudy has something in his mouth that he shouldn't, I just say Rudy drop it, believe me I did the chasing thing, but now when I tell him to drop it he does. When you walk Luna are you using a harness on her. On small breed dogs they really need to be walked will a harness so they won't hurt there throat. both of mine like to pull when we walk, it's hard to believe two little dogs could pull so hard.........Cindy

fasteddie · 12-18-2004, 01:52 AM

Yes, I was just going to say that Maddie-Rudy-Mom, that a harness is really necessary for our little guys. If you can't find one small enough, often cat harnesses will do. If she is coughing when you go for walks, that doesn't sound right to me, I don't recall having that problem unless Yoda ran really fast away from me and he reached the end of his retractable leash.

12-15-2004, 09:13 AM	#1
FunkyMunkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 221	The Rebel Stage!! Goodness! This little squirt is running around like a headless chicken and disobeying like crazy!! She is now almost 4 months old so I know this is the stage where they want to be the boss of you... I was wondering how youall managed through this stage...what types of things did you do? Thanks so much!! __________________ Melissa

12-15-2004, 04:31 PM	#5
FunkyMunkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 221	Yeah, I put her in her play pen for the most part. What I meant to say though was how she doesn't come when called, etc. She use to come faster and I guess now that she learned that she can tune me out, she just goes about things HER WAY. I noticed because I had tried letting her off leash to go outside to potty, BIG MISTAKE! She'd go potty but then she'd go nuts wandering on her own... I read about puppy development and I heard it is cruical to monitor their behavior at this age (4-6 mons) because it's the age that carries over. Another thing is that the smaller the dog the faster they grow up...so time is essential with our babies. thanks for all your help! __________________ Melissa

12-16-2004, 04:13 PM	#7
FunkyMunkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 221	AHhh! LOL I'm almost about to pull my hairs... she gets super hyper when its play time, more energy than a kid. I need to know how you "punish" your babies? Is it wrong to punish them in their crate? I just put Luna there for her time out. She was being a little too bossy, biting me and all for not letting her roam around freely. I'm not sure if putting her in her crate is going to confuse her since it is her safe spot. I would also like to say that I got rid of her play pen because she would try to jump out, so know we keep her in her crate. Suggestions on how to handle the crate training would be greatly appreciated!! __________________ Melissa Last edited by FunkyMunkie; 12-16-2004 at 04:16 PM.

12-16-2004, 04:55 PM	#9
FunkyMunkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 221	Oh Luna doesn't mind her crate... it's just getting her to go in voluntarily or on command is an issue. See it's kinda a long story, about her sleep arrangement/crate, but I will give it a shot for those who want to hear...lol When we first got Luna we had her in the bathrrom shower area. In that area she had her crate with a towel and that puppy w/ the heartbeat. When we weren't playing that is where she would sleep, obviously when she was smaller she would sleep a lot more! After a few days we got her a play pen, just like the babies play pens. We kept her there only during the day with her towel, toys, food, etc. Then at night we would put her back in the shower area to sleep. But today I decided to start her in her crate, completely, because she started to jump a lot in her play pen and we're afraid she may jump out. So I took out her play pen and have been putting her in her crate since this afternoon. I have already seen her sleeping in there at least 3 times today so I know she really doesn't mind. I also have not heard her crying or whining too much so I know that that is because she was accustomed to sleeping there in the shower area, but with the gate OPEN. Now I crate her completely, gate SHUT CLOSED! What I don't know what to do now is punishment. I use to stick her in her play pen to punish her, never in her crate. I'm scared that I might reverse how she feels about her crate now that I shut the door on her. __________________ Melissa

12-17-2004, 04:06 PM	#13
FunkyMunkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 221	it didnt take us very long to get Luna in her crate... she really does love it. She is now 4 mons and since day one we put her to sleep every night in her shower/crate area always with the gate open. If she would cry, we wouldn't pay attention to her and just leave her. Now when I put her in her crate during the day she really doesnt whine much... only a little when she wants to play or be with us. However, my father gave in to putting the play pen back up for her. It is more convenient for us and her. She does have more space and all and it's much easier when she miss behaves to put her in the play pen since there is no gate we have to shut. I really want to train her to go in her crate be herself...but it's difficult when my father thinks that's being mean to the dog lol... yes, we are one in decisive family... we're always changing but what's important is that we are trying to find what's best for both Luna and us... Surprisingly enough, somehow, Luna has behaved marvelous after I posted this. She isn't biting anymore. I say one stern NO (if she bites my hand) and she stops and begins to lick my hand. That is one thing that I am amazed about... she really did learn to not bite fast. BUT she still does run away from me when I'm trying to get something she shouldn't have in her mouth. I also went back to taking her out on her leash instead of letting her roam freely, I heard it shows them who really is the boss. I'm currently working on having her walk by my side and not being pulled by her. lol I feel so bad though because sometimes I hold her back and she coughs a bit. But I think she is getting that it'll hurt more if she runs faster than me... we'll see... __________________ Melissa

12-15-2004, 02:10 PM	#2
mybirdys2003 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 980	You made me laugh! Yes they act like they are crazy or something! Up on the chair, jump to the couch, down on the floor etc. etc. It use to drive me nuts! I thought she was mental! But then, she would go out like a light, and she was like a damp mop. Just running off energy, I guess. If it gets too bad, you could put her in her crate for 15 min. or so and calm her down. Also, a greenie keeps them busy or a Petrodix stick (for teeth) or a doggy bone or something to help use up all that energy! Pat

12-15-2004, 02:21 PM	#3
Maddie-Rudy-Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beaumont, TX Posts: 1,887	Rudy just turned one and is still a little toot. We finally got some cold weather and that make all three of mine go crazy. Right now they are running around the house, even the old lady, Lucky is acting like a kid. The only good thing about the running wild, when they get done they will sleep. Never a dull moment with yorkies in a house.........Cindy

12-15-2004, 02:25 PM	#4
fasteddie *YT 6000 Club Member* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,238	Greenies, hamhocks bones, taking them for LOOOOOONG walks to tire them out, anything to keep em occupied for a bit! Or we quarantine them for a bit (put them up on a table with blanket) to let them 'chill' out.

12-16-2004, 11:13 AM	#6
mybirdys2003 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 980	Snoodles would do the same thing! At first I kwould just yell"Come" and she would come like a bat out of hell. Then she decided it was a game and would run away from me. What I did, was to call once and if she never came, go get her and act real mad. If that didn't work, I would call once and come in. She hates being left out alone. Whatever you do, don't let it get away from you as some day her life may depend on the command --- Come or Stay! It is very important! I am 64 yrs old with bad arthritis, so it was hard for me to chase her----which is what she wanted! But I kept it up and scolded and she doesn't do it now! Thank God! Pat

12-16-2004, 04:32 PM	#8
orinskye YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,990	im trying to figure the same thing out myself funkymunkie..... toby is twelve weeks, and he thinks his crate is THE MOST UNSAFE SPOT IN THE WORLD.... this is no joke, right now im trying trial and error though, consensus on teh web has been to get them to stay in their gradually, 30 minuits to 45 to 50 to and hour.... blah blah blah......... i think he has SEVERE separation anxsiety, but then again.... he is only twelve weeks, so he is still a baby........ oh mmyorkies suggested putting this dog thing in with it, it has a heartbeat, ectt.... the breeder that i got toby from told me to try using a hot water bottle wrapped in a towel

12-16-2004, 05:24 PM	#10
orinskye YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,990	yeah i hear ya.......... toby will only go in voluntarily (with the gate open) if i make him go in the crate, he throws a royal FIT!!! just out of curiosity how old is luna? and how long did it take you to crate train her when she was a puppy?

12-17-2004, 11:33 AM	#11
Marie Mom loves Gucci Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 6,427	Gucci is 5 months old and she wants to be boss. If we touch her bed she goes running and starts pulling on it for us to let go. Also she loves to bite our toes. We always tell her no biting. She used to stop but now all of a sudden she wont listen. She use to come when call and now she comes if she pleases. What I have done is talking to her with a strong voice sometimes works and sometimes doesnt. So I guess she is still trying to rule the house, lol.

12-17-2004, 12:52 PM	#12
mybirdys2003 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 980	Mine is 11 months old now. She won't go in her crate by herself. I only crate her when we go to a store that won't let her in or we go somewhere she can't. At night she is always asleep on my lap, so to go to bed, I just carry her into my bedroom and put her in. She does have seperation anxiety and the minute I get up to put her to bed, she starts trembling. This does stop the minute she is in her crate though. Just be firm with them. My vet said you really have to show them who is boss. I don't encourage her when she runs and barks at me to play. Don't want her to think she can bark and get what she wants. Usually just turning my back on her and ignoring her when she is bad words for her. Sometimes, if she is really hyper I have to hold her to my chest and calm her. But all in all, she has settled down real well. Except when I try to clip nails! EEEK! WHat a fight! Pat

12-17-2004, 09:05 PM	#14
Maddie-Rudy-Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beaumont, TX Posts: 1,887	FunkyMunkie, When Rudy has something in his mouth that he shouldn't, I just say Rudy drop it, believe me I did the chasing thing, but now when I tell him to drop it he does. When you walk Luna are you using a harness on her. On small breed dogs they really need to be walked will a harness so they won't hurt there throat. both of mine like to pull when we walk, it's hard to believe two little dogs could pull so hard.........Cindy

12-18-2004, 01:52 AM	#15
fasteddie *YT 6000 Club Member* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,238	Yes, I was just going to say that Maddie-Rudy-Mom, that a harness is really necessary for our little guys. If you can't find one small enough, often cat harnesses will do. If she is coughing when you go for walks, that doesn't sound right to me, I don't recall having that problem unless Yoda ran really fast away from me and he reached the end of his retractable leash.