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Potter · 01-05-2007, 09:49 AM

I have heard of some cases where pups/dogs did not make it through a spay/neuter surgery (heart stopped during surgery, anesthesia problem etc.). I want to know how many people have had this experience and how often do you hear it. Please do not give me the answer of spaying/neutering is a simple surgery and vets do it all the time. I am sure they do and I am sure it is a simple procedure that still carries an amount of risk. I am also sure people who have had experience of getting their dog done and never had a problem will sound more confident but I want to hear about the other side of the story. I am scared of getting my baby neutered and he is my only baby and I am not sure if I can trust any vets because if anything happens, it will be just another case that did not make it for them but not for the mommy.

chachi · 01-05-2007, 10:04 AM

I have heard of it happening 3 times on here. Only once when a dog was spayed. The other times were c sections

jmetts · 01-05-2007, 10:05 AM

I don't know anyone who has lost a pet from this surgery, but I will tell you what my vet said when my Snickers had to have surgery (he was having bone plate surgery from an ortho vet surgeon to fix a broken leg when he was only 3lbs).......

He told me the bone plating was an easy surgery & that my dog would have a leg of steel after surgery & recovery time, but that he did need to make me aware of the risk of having such a small dog under anestesia. He said they are so little that they can possibly loose body heat VERY quickly & rarely, but sometimes they can die. He further said that because of the risks with a small dog, they would have him monitered constantly & take all precausions neccessary. I can tell you it wasn't easy to leave that day......but he gave me the confidence that every step would be taken to avoid the worst.

I would say, find a vet that you have confidence in & ask how they will moniter body heat & such during surgery.....have their bloodwork done prior to ensure its a healthy time for such a surgery.

marcerella02 · 01-05-2007, 10:12 AM

i also have not read of anyone loosing a dog on here to spay/neuter although i know it happens a lot! i think it is relevant to their size... the smaller they are the bigger the risk... i think the best thing as parents to these little guys that we can do is going in knowing more than the vet thinks you do. i was completely knowledgeable about the type of anethesia that needed to be used and i drilled my vet with questions about "what if" i think he was taken back by my knowledge of eveyrhting and he took me very seriously.. i think if you can learn as much as possible and go into your vet asking every question out there you will feel better ebcause if the vet can answer you then you know you are at the right place, if he can't.. you better go find a new one. i think that some vets deal with little dogs a lot and others rarely see them so maybe you want to ask how many neuters he has done on a dog under 5 lbs and has he lost any... and go from there.... its tough and a neuter is an elective surgery but god forbid your little guy need another type of surgery it is best to know you are dealing with the best vet possible. let us know what you decide

vainchick5 · 01-05-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by marcerella02

i also have not read of anyone loosing a dog on here to spay/neuter although i know it happens a lot! i think it is relevant to their size... the smaller they are the bigger the risk... i think the best thing as parents to these little guys that we can do is going in knowing more than the vet thinks you do. i was completely knowledgeable about the type of anethesia that needed to be used and i drilled my vet with questions about "what if" i think he was taken back by my knowledge of eveyrhting and he took me very seriously.. i think if you can learn as much as possible and go into your vet asking every question out there you will feel better ebcause if the vet can answer you then you know you are at the right place, if he can't.. you better go find a new one. i think that some vets deal with little dogs a lot and others rarely see them so maybe you want to ask how many neuters he has done on a dog under 5 lbs and has he lost any... and go from there.... its tough and a neuter is an elective surgery but god forbid your little guy need another type of surgery it is best to know you are dealing with the best vet possible. let us know what you decide

Excellent post. I know everyone tells you "don't worry don't worry" but I was like you . I didn't want to hear that I wanted to hear the bad stories. But you know what? I didn't hear ANY! Just like human doctors, vets can also not know or not do something when necessary. My best advice to you is research everything you can about neutering and make sure your vet can answer all of your questions. Your baby will do great and he will be back to his usual self in no time at all.

rox626 · 01-05-2007, 10:21 AM

It can be risky but not spaying or neutering can be riskier for their health. I think it's better to prevent health issues on a healthy dog than to try to repair / heal sickness on a sick one. Here's an example: Years ago we had a yorkie girl. My father was under the impression that females became fat and lazy after spaying and since she would always be supervised outside he didn't want to do that.

She developed pyometra and had to have a hysterectomy. This meant going under anesthesia when very sick. She survived the operation but I don't think she ever really recovered and the last year of her life she was sick a lot and ended up having to be put to sleep at age 5.

That being said, I had Debbie done at 7 months when she weighed 2.7 pounds. Since then she's been put under 3 more times for tooth extraction and cleaning and she's been just fine. She still weighs 3 pounds. I feel fortunate to have found a vet that understands that little dogs are different.

Potter · 01-05-2007, 10:22 AM

Thanks guys. I am already armed with a lot of information gathered from the Internet and from YT. I made another appointment for pre-surgical screening tomorrow. I do have to drill them with lots of questions because I can't feel that I totally trust them just yet. In the event that I feel they are not going to take care of my baby well during the surgery, I may have to change my vet because so far, I haven't have the feeling that I can trust them. But, they told me that the pre-surgical screening is with a vet techinician and not a vet itself?

JESSY_RN2B · 01-05-2007, 10:35 AM

I almost lost mine when she got spayed (toy poodle). Honestly, I understand where you are coming from. I have a small boy that is soon to be neutered and there is not a day that goes by that I don't have 'flash backs'

The reason with the poodle was anesthesia complications and then a secondary infection that came up. I lost lots of sleep/work over it and I don't wish it upon ANYONE.............glad it turned out in our favor at the end though. After that, my cat got neutered and it went super smooth.

JESSY_RN2B · 01-05-2007, 10:38 AM

I MUST add that I wasn't in the states at the time. I moved to Puerto Rico to work with HIV/AIDS program and there is where I acquired my toy poodle. Needless to say, the vets are NOT the greatest (I feel they use cheap supplies/anesthesia). I did find a highly recommended vet but who would have known

Potter · 01-05-2007, 10:39 AM

How I wish the scientists will come out with a new way of sterilization without surgery. That would be great. Talking about that, I did read something that is like that called Neutrosol but I don't think it is going to be available just yet.

Bizzymammabee · 01-05-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Potter

Thanks guys. I am already armed with a lot of information gathered from the Internet and from YT. I made another appointment for pre-surgical screening tomorrow. I do have to drill them with lots of questions because I can't feel that I totally trust them just yet. In the event that I feel they are not going to take care of my baby well during the surgery, I may have to change my vet because so far, I haven't have the feeling that I can trust them. But, they told me that the pre-surgical screening is with a vet techinician and not a vet itself?

Wonder why it's with a vet tech and not the vet? My screening and any calls or concerns have been addressed by the vet that will be doing the surgery. I would find another vet just becuase of that. When I got to deal with my Dr for my physical I don't want to talk to the nurse about the procedure or my questions...that is why I am paying to see a doctor. Find another vet.

Bizzymammabee · 01-05-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Potter

How I wish the scientists will come out with a new way of sterilization without surgery. That would be great. Talking about that, I did read something that is like that called Neutrosol but I don't think it is going to be available just yet.

The neutrosol is available but a lot of vets dont' want to use it. I had asked my vet about it when I had first gotten Lex and taken him for his first check up.

Breny · 01-05-2007, 11:13 AM

I almost lost my Chi Zoey in July during a C-section. My vet was able to revive her. Worst feeling in the world. But now I too, am nervous about having her spayed. I also have a tiny cleft palate Chi, Tia.... I'm nervous as heck. Tia is 6 months old and should be spayed. I'm scared to death over it. After experiencing that it CAN happen, it scares the crap out of you. I still don't know what I'm going to do.

Potter · 01-06-2007, 04:20 PM

I have been doing a lot of reading to find out about the pro and cons of s/n. I have tons and tons of website that supports s/n due to the fact of pet overpopulation. I have also found these website...very few that tells a story beyond what the public knows:

http://www.doggedblog.com/doggedblog...st_that_t.html

The second link is research done on labs but it is still good reading based on results by real research.

http://www.littleriverlabs.com/neuter.htm

In this post, I am giving the link so that other members can read and make an informed decision. I am not DISCOURAGING s/n practice (so no bashing please) and I want the best for my baby's health in the long run because he is more than a dog to me, he is my kid. For me, I don't have a problem of having him contributing to pet overpopulation because I make sure he doesn't so for those who doesn't have the problem and is capable of controlling their Yorkies, and is in doubt like me of the benefits of s/n to their health, do read more and share it here so we can all benefit from it.

I also talked to a vet today. It seems that he thinks that for small breed dogs, it is best to neuter after a year old. He didn't tell me why because I think we are all under the pressure here to s/n but that was the best in his opinion.

Potter · 01-06-2007, 04:28 PM

This is a good reading too:-

http://www.animaladvocates.com/dog-b...egulations.php

01-05-2007, 09:49 AM	#1
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	Honestly.. I have heard of some cases where pups/dogs did not make it through a spay/neuter surgery (heart stopped during surgery, anesthesia problem etc.). I want to know how many people have had this experience and how often do you hear it. Please do not give me the answer of spaying/neutering is a simple surgery and vets do it all the time. I am sure they do and I am sure it is a simple procedure that still carries an amount of risk. I am also sure people who have had experience of getting their dog done and never had a problem will sound more confident but I want to hear about the other side of the story. I am scared of getting my baby neutered and he is my only baby and I am not sure if I can trust any vets because if anything happens, it will be just another case that did not make it for them but not for the mommy. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

01-05-2007, 10:04 AM	#2
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	I have heard of it happening 3 times on here. Only once when a dog was spayed. The other times were c sections __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

01-05-2007, 10:12 AM	#4
marcerella02 Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 11,257	i also have not read of anyone loosing a dog on here to spay/neuter although i know it happens a lot! i think it is relevant to their size... the smaller they are the bigger the risk... i think the best thing as parents to these little guys that we can do is going in knowing more than the vet thinks you do. i was completely knowledgeable about the type of anethesia that needed to be used and i drilled my vet with questions about "what if" i think he was taken back by my knowledge of eveyrhting and he took me very seriously.. i think if you can learn as much as possible and go into your vet asking every question out there you will feel better ebcause if the vet can answer you then you know you are at the right place, if he can't.. you better go find a new one. i think that some vets deal with little dogs a lot and others rarely see them so maybe you want to ask how many neuters he has done on a dog under 5 lbs and has he lost any... and go from there.... its tough and a neuter is an elective surgery but god forbid your little guy need another type of surgery it is best to know you are dealing with the best vet possible. let us know what you decide __________________ http://misscanam.blogspot.com/ Layla 's Simon

01-05-2007, 10:22 AM	#7
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	Thanks guys. I am already armed with a lot of information gathered from the Internet and from YT. I made another appointment for pre-surgical screening tomorrow. I do have to drill them with lots of questions because I can't feel that I totally trust them just yet. In the event that I feel they are not going to take care of my baby well during the surgery, I may have to change my vet because so far, I haven't have the feeling that I can trust them. But, they told me that the pre-surgical screening is with a vet techinician and not a vet itself? __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

01-05-2007, 10:35 AM	#8
JESSY_RN2B Owned by 3 furballs Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,581	I almost lost mine when she got spayed (toy poodle). Honestly, I understand where you are coming from. I have a small boy that is soon to be neutered and there is not a day that goes by that I don't have 'flash backs' The reason with the poodle was anesthesia complications and then a secondary infection that came up. I lost lots of sleep/work over it and I don't wish it upon ANYONE.............glad it turned out in our favor at the end though. After that, my cat got neutered and it went super smooth. __________________ Bobbi Yorkietalk http://www.dogster.com/dogs/395435 And now........little Aja too! http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/23776545

01-05-2007, 10:05 AM	#3
jmetts YT Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: virginia Posts: 283	I don't know anyone who has lost a pet from this surgery, but I will tell you what my vet said when my Snickers had to have surgery (he was having bone plate surgery from an ortho vet surgeon to fix a broken leg when he was only 3lbs)....... He told me the bone plating was an easy surgery & that my dog would have a leg of steel after surgery & recovery time, but that he did need to make me aware of the risk of having such a small dog under anestesia. He said they are so little that they can possibly loose body heat VERY quickly & rarely, but sometimes they can die. He further said that because of the risks with a small dog, they would have him monitered constantly & take all precausions neccessary. I can tell you it wasn't easy to leave that day......but he gave me the confidence that every step would be taken to avoid the worst. I would say, find a vet that you have confidence in & ask how they will moniter body heat & such during surgery.....have their bloodwork done prior to ensure its a healthy time for such a surgery.

01-05-2007, 10:21 AM	#6
rox626 YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 328	It can be risky but not spaying or neutering can be riskier for their health. I think it's better to prevent health issues on a healthy dog than to try to repair / heal sickness on a sick one. Here's an example: Years ago we had a yorkie girl. My father was under the impression that females became fat and lazy after spaying and since she would always be supervised outside he didn't want to do that. She developed pyometra and had to have a hysterectomy. This meant going under anesthesia when very sick. She survived the operation but I don't think she ever really recovered and the last year of her life she was sick a lot and ended up having to be put to sleep at age 5. That being said, I had Debbie done at 7 months when she weighed 2.7 pounds. Since then she's been put under 3 more times for tooth extraction and cleaning and she's been just fine. She still weighs 3 pounds. I feel fortunate to have found a vet that understands that little dogs are different.

01-05-2007, 10:38 AM	#9
JESSY_RN2B Owned by 3 furballs Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,581	I MUST add that I wasn't in the states at the time. I moved to Puerto Rico to work with HIV/AIDS program and there is where I acquired my toy poodle. Needless to say, the vets are NOT the greatest (I feel they use cheap supplies/anesthesia). I did find a highly recommended vet but who would have known __________________ Bobbi Yorkietalk http://www.dogster.com/dogs/395435 And now........little Aja too! http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/23776545

01-05-2007, 10:39 AM	#10
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	How I wish the scientists will come out with a new way of sterilization without surgery. That would be great. Talking about that, I did read something that is like that called Neutrosol but I don't think it is going to be available just yet. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

01-05-2007, 11:13 AM	#13
Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	I almost lost my Chi Zoey in July during a C-section. My vet was able to revive her. Worst feeling in the world. But now I too, am nervous about having her spayed. I also have a tiny cleft palate Chi, Tia.... I'm nervous as heck. Tia is 6 months old and should be spayed. I'm scared to death over it. After experiencing that it CAN happen, it scares the crap out of you. I still don't know what I'm going to do. __________________ http://Brenysbabies.com

01-06-2007, 04:20 PM	#14
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	I have been doing a lot of reading to find out about the pro and cons of s/n. I have tons and tons of website that supports s/n due to the fact of pet overpopulation. I have also found these website...very few that tells a story beyond what the public knows: http://www.doggedblog.com/doggedblog...st_that_t.html The second link is research done on labs but it is still good reading based on results by real research. http://www.littleriverlabs.com/neuter.htm In this post, I am giving the link so that other members can read and make an informed decision. I am not DISCOURAGING s/n practice (so no bashing please) and I want the best for my baby's health in the long run because he is more than a dog to me, he is my kid. For me, I don't have a problem of having him contributing to pet overpopulation because I make sure he doesn't so for those who doesn't have the problem and is capable of controlling their Yorkies, and is in doubt like me of the benefits of s/n to their health, do read more and share it here so we can all benefit from it. I also talked to a vet today. It seems that he thinks that for small breed dogs, it is best to neuter after a year old. He didn't tell me why because I think we are all under the pressure here to s/n but that was the best in his opinion. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

01-06-2007, 04:28 PM	#15
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	This is a good reading too:- http://www.animaladvocates.com/dog-b...egulations.php __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."