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YorkieRose · 05-07-2005, 03:38 AM

Kelly, I read your post and apology...I looked at the site. You did not hurt the breeders feelings, you pissed her off. You hit the nail on the head and the truth "ain't" always easy to swallow.
Royal puppies has the right to breed whatever she wants, it is a free country.
You also have the right to disagree...and so do I !

Luvmypupster · 05-07-2005, 03:40 AM

Yes!! In a nutshell you said it all!!! Thanks Pat.

red98vett · 05-07-2005, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Kelly, I read your post and apology...I looked at the site. You did not hurt the breeders feelings, you pissed her off. You hit the nail on the head and the truth "ain't" always easy to swallow.
Royal puppies has the right to breed whatever she wants, it is a free country.
You also have the right to disagree...and so do I !

Say it like it is !

I looked at the site also after reading this post and what the H*$$ is a CHORKIE ? actually I do know... but I had to go read to find out !! it just somehow seems wrong to be making up all these "cute" names...Chorkie ?

I'm not singling out one website...but I can't keep track of all the "new" names for these puppies !

YorkieRose · 05-07-2005, 06:07 AM

I like YorkieTalk for many reasons..one is the ability to express opinions in nice ways..you may agree or disagree.
If a person feels they are ethetically doing the correct thing, then I see no need to defend yourself.
As many already have found out, I far from perfect and make mistakes by the buckets full..but I will not defend my breeding program to anyone. I am comfortable with what I do.

I got a frantic all one time from a breeder who wanted me to know another breeder was bad mouthing me. She wanted to know what I planned to do? The breeders opinion meant nothing to me. About a year after that incident, the "bad mouthing" breeder called me for stud service. I told her I knew what she had said about my Yorkies and I would never want her to ruin her breeding program with my "mutts"...she apologized and hung up.
You are going to get talked about, just do what you feel is right..many protest too much and that speaks volumes.

whispersmom2 · 05-07-2005, 09:15 AM

YORKIEROSE, you go girlfriend!! If anyone reads my post about my mentor and wonders why I called her a Yorkie Angel, you have but to read her posts on here and you will very quickly learn what I saw in her. THANK YOU, YorkieRose from all of us who have benefited by your advice and your posts.
I have gotten away from the standard colors in Yorkies as I have retired my moms. I can only have a few and I wanted to experience thedifferent types for lack of a better word. As I read and type, each time I sit one of my babies comes to be snuggles. Sometimes, all of them do. When that happens, I turn off the computer and spend quality time with my younguns.
What will I say when someone tells me I am "bastardizing the breed?" I am not sure BUT I do know that I will follow YR's advice and not defend my breeding philosophy to them.

PetitePawz · 05-07-2005, 04:55 PM

monotype corsiva

The Canadian Kennel Club has very strict rules regarding the breeding and selling of mixed breed dogs.... So how is it possible for this person to be breeding both Registered and Unregistered dogs???????
I know that alot of Kennel Clubs set out different rules , However CKC is very clear on this one.

Back to Lurk Mode

Maddie-Rudy-Mom · 05-07-2005, 06:01 PM

YorkieRose, Very well said, you hit the nail on the head.

StewiesMom · 05-07-2005, 07:00 PM

Pat - You said it very well. I know that Elizabeth had apologized and I agree with everything she said about Royal Puppies. She should be able express her opinion no matter who gets pissed off by it.

TeriTiny2 · 05-07-2005, 07:43 PM

If you ask me they ain't so Royal! Sorry, just MY opinion.
This baby is Royalty! hehe,,,,

SoCalyorkiLvr · 05-07-2005, 09:19 PM

Pat: I respect all of your opinions and there is rarely a time when I disagree with you. The major part of eensor's email that I disagreed with was that she accused Louise of not caring about the dogs but only about the money. Even eensor, I think, after "talking" to Louise on YT, now realizes that she does care a great deal about her dogs. She simply thinks it's just as okay to breed yorkie to yorkie as it is to breed yorkie to non-yorkie. I just would like us not to jump the gun and accuse people of things without really knowing. This is differnent than smply "expressing an opinion, which of course everyone is free to do thank goodness. Eensor realized her error and apologized and that entire thread turned into an ugly accusatory barage of members bashing members and members from other forums coming on to support their "gang" so to speak. It was not just people expressing their opinions anymore it was people being called names and the like. I do not find this acceptable in our civilized society.

I posted this on another thread and I think it is appropriate here as well.

All in all, this yorkie world of ours is very small and I think if any of you are, or have been, members of other forums you know that you tend to see some of the same names and people over and over. You hear the names of certain breeders over and over, etc., etc. Heck, I've only been a yorkie owner since December and have only been a member of forums since mid February, but I already know the breeders with bad reputations, the breeders on the biggest forums and the basic history of the most recent forums. They may have different screen or usernames on different forums but once you have been there a while to get the real names and recognize their dogs, etc. You become "friends".

In that short period of time I have noticed the effects of those who have strong personalities and strong opinions as well as some areas of control on certain forums. Some of these people cannot handle not being agreed with and they will "ban or disable" anyone who expresses an opposing viewpoint. In certain cases I have felt like I was back in high school where the "mob mentality" or "cliques" sort of rule the school. It reminds me of the recent movie, "Mean Girls" where a tight group can destroy someone's reputation with one rumor.

As an attorney, my training is to defend someone who is wrongly attacked, and to teach people to avoid breaking the law or subjecting themselves to a potential legal problem by making untrue and/or libelous statements. I have also been trained to see both sides of a story and to play devils advocate in the search for truth and justice. The truth is that these forums are mostly public, and the expectation is that anyone can join and read the posts now or in the future. The posts also come up all the time on popular search engines which this one will.

With that in mind we must be conscious of what we post. We are not having a private conversation with someone that will never be published to anyone else. You are creating a permanent written document when you post on here and you should expect that "anyone and everyone" will read it. Even on a so-called "private forum" where you have to be invited to join, you are not free to say anything you want or to impugn another's reputation nonchalantly. You are not free to say things about people that aren't true or that you can't prove for instance. It is a written document that any member can print out and distribute freely and the consequences could be substantial.

This is not to say that anyone should be afraid to post their opinion. You should of course do so. You should however, phrase your post in a respectful and courteous way giving the subject of your post every benefit of the doubt and respect along the way. This is the moral, ethical and tactful way to behave. To go off on name calling tangents and making wild assumptions about people because you hear someone else say that is irresponsible and could lead to good, decent people getting hurt. I have seen it happen.

This is why I have posted several times recently about "tolerance" and working hard to keep YT free of the Mean Girl mentality. It is possible to have healthy discourse and debate without hurting people's feelings and making anyone feel badly about themselves. We have done that on here over and over again with great success and much better than any other forum I have witnessed. Sure, we will have our problems but if the majority refuse to get drawn into the "negative vibe" and decide not to post, the thread dies. It is so hard sometimes not to "take the bait" so to speak, but you get stronger each time you refuse to be a part of the negativity, whatever it may be.

We have a large number of members and a very diverse group. I think it is the largest and most diverse of any yorkie forum out there. We get many new members every day and our number of "regulars" grows every day. It is not possible to expect "everyone to behave civilly" all the time, but we are lucky to have an admin, who, with the help of his moderators, keeps this place pretty clean while allowing lots of leniency. Mean, vicious behavior is not tolerated and when threads get out of hand they are closed or later deleted to prevent any further bad feelings or damage being done. I respect this.

My point is that I want YT to remain friendly and open and positive. We can do this without sugar coating our posts or being afraid to express our opinions. It is done when we come from a positive place and surround ourselves with positive energy instead of negative, when we assume the good in people instead of the bad. We are all so passionate about these yorkie babies and we want only the best for them. Let's direct our energies to helping the "policing" agencies (PETA, the Puppymill busters,etc) do their jobs by reporting potential problems and letting them take care of it in a legal manner.

"Thanks for listening to me"

YorkieRose · 05-08-2005, 01:12 PM

I am uncomfortable with people who agree with my every word. I like people to ask my opinion and then form one of their own..that is what a mentor does best..not think for a person, but teach them to think for themselves..I love to mentor Yorkie fanicers.

I have no clue as to how Royal Yorkies treats her dogs. I do have a clue as to the type of breeder she is and that is purely my opinion.

I enjoy your posts, learn from them also...BUT don't ever get me start on those FREAK'IN PETA wacko's..I have meet a number that need to be locked away..and if anyone on Yorkie Talk is a PETA member..I do not apologize, it is only my opinion. LOL

Gypsy Rose · 05-08-2005, 01:38 PM

I thought this topic was closed..?!! I am very confused by all this debate..!! Can we get back to happy things..?!! Talking about our yorkies and asking/offering advice etc.. PLEASE??!!! Ana xx

Chelsie1978 · 05-08-2005, 01:54 PM

Am I the only person who thinks mixing beautiful breeds is ok? lol.Seriously,I think it is because Iv seen a few of those mixes and I think theyre adorable and would LOVE to have one

We dont get charged for mixes here,they are free as a rule or we only pay for what the first shots cost which is very little..but I guess I would pay a small amount for one if I had too.I am even looking into breeding Jess with a maltese..I guess that sounds AWFUL to most of you..lol.The bottom line is,I think that some breeders go over the top with all the breeding for perfection thing,what happened to pet quality? I am in a totally different country where everything is done totally different,which means that even if I wanted a breeder that bred textbook perfect yorkies I probably wouldent find one here (Id probably have to go to the mainland).Here there are a few breeders,but none of them sell their pups and make you promise you wont breed,or get you to sign something saying you will spay etc..its all alot more laid back and although the breeders keep intouch with the pups (mine still e-mail me) they dont put you down if you want to breed your pet,infact,they actually help you find a male,fix papers etc..They even offer to help you find homes for the pups (they get nothing out of this).Remember,I am in a country that DOESNT encourage spaying or neutering

I phoned Jessies breeder this morning and asked her if she had a male maltese up for breeding after the summer and she said yes and that she wouldent charge me the usual for this service (obviously)..she even offered to bring him here if I choose this option (here its usually the female that goes to the male).I still havent decided what to do but I wouldent want to be called names if I decided to do this

..I think this mix is adorable and being here I wouldent be making money at all because as I said,mutts are usually free unless of course I charge for their first sets of shots.I would be doing it for the love of this particualr mix and I think thats fine

Im glad we can be honest here Pat,its always nice to be able to say what you really think and NOT just what others want to hear

Now you be honest too lol,tell me what you think?? I am open to all opinions here!!

natalie · 05-08-2005, 02:00 PM

I think we should all just let this topic rest! This has to be the... 2nd or 3rd thread about Royal Puppies and things have been settled and all the threads concerning the topic have been closed. Just my opinion, before more misunderstandings occur..which only leads to other things!

Chelsie1978 · 05-08-2005, 02:01 PM

I tried to change the subject in my post..it didnt work I guess???

05-07-2005, 03:38 AM	#1
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Royal Puppies Kelly, I read your post and apology...I looked at the site. You did not hurt the breeders feelings, you pissed her off. You hit the nail on the head and the truth "ain't" always easy to swallow. Royal puppies has the right to breed whatever she wants, it is a free country. You also have the right to disagree...and so do I ! Last edited by YorkieRose; 05-07-2005 at 03:43 AM.

05-07-2005, 03:40 AM	#2
Luvmypupster YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: tx Posts: 624	Yes!! In a nutshell you said it all!!! Thanks Pat. __________________ Emme & Faith R.I.P. Mia & Bentley

05-07-2005, 06:07 AM	#4
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Yt I like YorkieTalk for many reasons..one is the ability to express opinions in nice ways..you may agree or disagree. If a person feels they are ethetically doing the correct thing, then I see no need to defend yourself. As many already have found out, I far from perfect and make mistakes by the buckets full..but I will not defend my breeding program to anyone. I am comfortable with what I do. I got a frantic all one time from a breeder who wanted me to know another breeder was bad mouthing me. She wanted to know what I planned to do? The breeders opinion meant nothing to me. About a year after that incident, the "bad mouthing" breeder called me for stud service. I told her I knew what she had said about my Yorkies and I would never want her to ruin her breeding program with my "mutts"...she apologized and hung up. You are going to get talked about, just do what you feel is right..many protest too much and that speaks volumes.

05-07-2005, 04:55 PM	#6
PetitePawz Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 56	monotype corsiva The Canadian Kennel Club has very strict rules regarding the breeding and selling of mixed breed dogs.... So how is it possible for this person to be breeding both Registered and Unregistered dogs??????? I know that alot of Kennel Clubs set out different rules , However CKC is very clear on this one. Back to Lurk Mode __________________ "The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue" --Anonymous

05-07-2005, 06:01 PM	#7
Maddie-Rudy-Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beaumont, TX Posts: 1,887	YorkieRose, Very well said, you hit the nail on the head. __________________ Cindy, Maddie, Rudy, Polly, Sprout, Angie, and Tucker Rest in peace Lucky 1989-2007

05-07-2005, 09:15 AM	#5
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	YORKIEROSE, you go girlfriend!! If anyone reads my post about my mentor and wonders why I called her a Yorkie Angel, you have but to read her posts on here and you will very quickly learn what I saw in her. THANK YOU, YorkieRose from all of us who have benefited by your advice and your posts. I have gotten away from the standard colors in Yorkies as I have retired my moms. I can only have a few and I wanted to experience thedifferent types for lack of a better word. As I read and type, each time I sit one of my babies comes to be snuggles. Sometimes, all of them do. When that happens, I turn off the computer and spend quality time with my younguns. What will I say when someone tells me I am "bastardizing the breed?" I am not sure BUT I do know that I will follow YR's advice and not defend my breeding philosophy to them.

05-07-2005, 07:00 PM	#8
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	Pat - You said it very well. I know that Elizabeth had apologized and I agree with everything she said about Royal Puppies. She should be able express her opinion no matter who gets pissed off by it. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

05-07-2005, 07:43 PM	#9
TeriTiny2 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 158	If you ask me If you ask me they ain't so Royal! Sorry, just MY opinion. This baby is Royalty! hehe,,,, Attached Thumbnails

05-07-2005, 09:19 PM	#10
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Pat: I respect all of your opinions and there is rarely a time when I disagree with you. The major part of eensor's email that I disagreed with was that she accused Louise of not caring about the dogs but only about the money. Even eensor, I think, after "talking" to Louise on YT, now realizes that she does care a great deal about her dogs. She simply thinks it's just as okay to breed yorkie to yorkie as it is to breed yorkie to non-yorkie. I just would like us not to jump the gun and accuse people of things without really knowing. This is differnent than smply "expressing an opinion, which of course everyone is free to do thank goodness. Eensor realized her error and apologized and that entire thread turned into an ugly accusatory barage of members bashing members and members from other forums coming on to support their "gang" so to speak. It was not just people expressing their opinions anymore it was people being called names and the like. I do not find this acceptable in our civilized society. I posted this on another thread and I think it is appropriate here as well. All in all, this yorkie world of ours is very small and I think if any of you are, or have been, members of other forums you know that you tend to see some of the same names and people over and over. You hear the names of certain breeders over and over, etc., etc. Heck, I've only been a yorkie owner since December and have only been a member of forums since mid February, but I already know the breeders with bad reputations, the breeders on the biggest forums and the basic history of the most recent forums. They may have different screen or usernames on different forums but once you have been there a while to get the real names and recognize their dogs, etc. You become "friends". In that short period of time I have noticed the effects of those who have strong personalities and strong opinions as well as some areas of control on certain forums. Some of these people cannot handle not being agreed with and they will "ban or disable" anyone who expresses an opposing viewpoint. In certain cases I have felt like I was back in high school where the "mob mentality" or "cliques" sort of rule the school. It reminds me of the recent movie, "Mean Girls" where a tight group can destroy someone's reputation with one rumor. As an attorney, my training is to defend someone who is wrongly attacked, and to teach people to avoid breaking the law or subjecting themselves to a potential legal problem by making untrue and/or libelous statements. I have also been trained to see both sides of a story and to play devils advocate in the search for truth and justice. The truth is that these forums are mostly public, and the expectation is that anyone can join and read the posts now or in the future. The posts also come up all the time on popular search engines which this one will. With that in mind we must be conscious of what we post. We are not having a private conversation with someone that will never be published to anyone else. You are creating a permanent written document when you post on here and you should expect that "anyone and everyone" will read it. Even on a so-called "private forum" where you have to be invited to join, you are not free to say anything you want or to impugn another's reputation nonchalantly. You are not free to say things about people that aren't true or that you can't prove for instance. It is a written document that any member can print out and distribute freely and the consequences could be substantial. This is not to say that anyone should be afraid to post their opinion. You should of course do so. You should however, phrase your post in a respectful and courteous way giving the subject of your post every benefit of the doubt and respect along the way. This is the moral, ethical and tactful way to behave. To go off on name calling tangents and making wild assumptions about people because you hear someone else say that is irresponsible and could lead to good, decent people getting hurt. I have seen it happen. This is why I have posted several times recently about "tolerance" and working hard to keep YT free of the Mean Girl mentality. It is possible to have healthy discourse and debate without hurting people's feelings and making anyone feel badly about themselves. We have done that on here over and over again with great success and much better than any other forum I have witnessed. Sure, we will have our problems but if the majority refuse to get drawn into the "negative vibe" and decide not to post, the thread dies. It is so hard sometimes not to "take the bait" so to speak, but you get stronger each time you refuse to be a part of the negativity, whatever it may be. We have a large number of members and a very diverse group. I think it is the largest and most diverse of any yorkie forum out there. We get many new members every day and our number of "regulars" grows every day. It is not possible to expect "everyone to behave civilly" all the time, but we are lucky to have an admin, who, with the help of his moderators, keeps this place pretty clean while allowing lots of leniency. Mean, vicious behavior is not tolerated and when threads get out of hand they are closed or later deleted to prevent any further bad feelings or damage being done. I respect this. My point is that I want YT to remain friendly and open and positive. We can do this without sugar coating our posts or being afraid to express our opinions. It is done when we come from a positive place and surround ourselves with positive energy instead of negative, when we assume the good in people instead of the bad. We are all so passionate about these yorkie babies and we want only the best for them. Let's direct our energies to helping the "policing" agencies (PETA, the Puppymill busters,etc) do their jobs by reporting potential problems and letting them take care of it in a legal manner. "Thanks for listening to me"

05-08-2005, 01:12 PM	#11
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	comment I am uncomfortable with people who agree with my every word. I like people to ask my opinion and then form one of their own..that is what a mentor does best..not think for a person, but teach them to think for themselves..I love to mentor Yorkie fanicers. I have no clue as to how Royal Yorkies treats her dogs. I do have a clue as to the type of breeder she is and that is purely my opinion. I enjoy your posts, learn from them also...BUT don't ever get me start on those FREAK'IN PETA wacko's..I have meet a number that need to be locked away..and if anyone on Yorkie Talk is a PETA member..I do not apologize, it is only my opinion. LOL

05-08-2005, 01:38 PM	#12
Gypsy Rose Owned by Gyps and Gizz Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wales Posts: 629	I thought this topic was closed..?!! I am very confused by all this debate..!! Can we get back to happy things..?!! Talking about our yorkies and asking/offering advice etc.. PLEASE??!!! Ana xx

05-08-2005, 01:54 PM	#13
Chelsie1978 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mallorca-Spain Posts: 379	Am I the only person who thinks mixing beautiful breeds is ok? lol.Seriously,I think it is because Iv seen a few of those mixes and I think theyre adorable and would LOVE to have one We dont get charged for mixes here,they are free as a rule or we only pay for what the first shots cost which is very little..but I guess I would pay a small amount for one if I had too.I am even looking into breeding Jess with a maltese..I guess that sounds AWFUL to most of you..lol.The bottom line is,I think that some breeders go over the top with all the breeding for perfection thing,what happened to pet quality? I am in a totally different country where everything is done totally different,which means that even if I wanted a breeder that bred textbook perfect yorkies I probably wouldent find one here (Id probably have to go to the mainland).Here there are a few breeders,but none of them sell their pups and make you promise you wont breed,or get you to sign something saying you will spay etc..its all alot more laid back and although the breeders keep intouch with the pups (mine still e-mail me) they dont put you down if you want to breed your pet,infact,they actually help you find a male,fix papers etc..They even offer to help you find homes for the pups (they get nothing out of this).Remember,I am in a country that DOESNT encourage spaying or neutering I phoned Jessies breeder this morning and asked her if she had a male maltese up for breeding after the summer and she said yes and that she wouldent charge me the usual for this service (obviously)..she even offered to bring him here if I choose this option (here its usually the female that goes to the male).I still havent decided what to do but I wouldent want to be called names if I decided to do this..I think this mix is adorable and being here I wouldent be making money at all because as I said,mutts are usually free unless of course I charge for their first sets of shots.I would be doing it for the love of this particualr mix and I think thats fine Im glad we can be honest here Pat,its always nice to be able to say what you really think and NOT just what others want to hear Now you be honest too lol,tell me what you think?? I am open to all opinions here!!

05-08-2005, 02:00 PM	#14
natalie Owned by Fred Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,352	I think we should all just let this topic rest! This has to be the... 2nd or 3rd thread about Royal Puppies and things have been settled and all the threads concerning the topic have been closed. Just my opinion, before more misunderstandings occur..which only leads to other things!

05-08-2005, 02:01 PM	#15
Chelsie1978 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mallorca-Spain Posts: 379	I tried to change the subject in my post..it didnt work I guess???