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09-07-2006, 04:58 PM | #1 |
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| Quick Question? Does anyone really know if a "TEACUP" is really a good thing? And do does the "teacup" name even mean anything? I've always heard that if you hear anything about a teacup...Stear in the other direction!? Just wondering what your guys opinion is about the "TEACUPS"? |
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09-07-2006, 05:00 PM | #2 |
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| well i'm told theres no such thing as a teacup, at least in yorkies. Just a way to get prices up. Just from reading post here and reading yorkie links about teacups.
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09-07-2006, 05:02 PM | #3 |
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| This is from www.yorkielane.com regarding "teacups" " Teacup " Yorkies One of the most frequently asked questions that we get is "do you have any teacup Yorkies?". The simple truth is that neither we nor anyone else on this earth has a "teacup" Yorkshire Terrier because no such classification exists. Let me clarify. The official breed standard for the Yorkshire terrier calls for adult Yorkies to have a weight of no more than seven(7) pounds. To be exact, the breed standard states: "Weight: Must not exceed seven pounds." This definition was approved on April 12, 1966. To review the breed standard for Yorkshire terriers, click here. Why then, you may ask, do so many breeders advertise teacup Yorkies? There are only two reasons: Fraud Some unscrupulous breeders advertise teacup Yorkies to take advantage of those people who are not very familiar with Yorkies. By telling someone that they are getting a "teacup", they make the buyer feel that they are getting something special (as if one get much more special than a Yorkie at all:-)). Beware, many of these people also advertise "toy" and or "standard" Yorkies with weights up to 10 or 12 pounds. As stated above, a standard Yorkshire terrier must weigh no more than 7 pounds. Ignorance Sadly, there are people out there breeding Yorkshire terriers who simply aren't knowledgeable enough about Yorkies to know that there is no such thing as a "teacup". One can only image their general breed knowledge and the quality of their puppies. I was told of a breeder recently who has Yorkies weighing less than two(!!) pounds all the time. The person writing wanted to know if we had puppies of that size. I must point out that as of last year, the smallest dog in the world, according to the Guinness Book of World Records, was a Chihuahua who weighed just under 2 pounds at 1 lb. 14 oz. For someone to claim that they regularly have adult dogs weighing less than 2 pounds is a stretch to say the least. On average, Yorkshire terriers weigh between 5 and 7 pounds as adults. There are, of course, smaller Yorkies born that will weigh less. Most Yorkshire terriers that you see participating in the show ring tend to be 5 to 7 pounds. A dog weighing 3 to 4 pounds is considered very small and often requires special care. Dogs this small should not be handled by children expect under strictly controlled conditions. Children are clumsy by nature--not intentionally--and dogs weighing less than 4 pounds are fragile, with easily broken bones.
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09-07-2006, 05:16 PM | #4 |
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| Teacup is usually a term used to describe a puppy that will be in the 3 pound range or less at maturity, but it is not an official term. Many are extremely sensitive about it's use at all. I have definitely seen "teacups" advertised that will more likely reach the high 4 and 5 pound range so check the puppy's weight and age and make a guess from that. Triple the 8 week weight and double the 12 week weight of a healthy puppy eating well should put you within a pound in most cases. I have seen healthy 3 pounders, but I personally wouldn't want to buy one because the health risks are much higher. I prefer at least in the 4 pound range, but weight doesn't guarantee health. |
09-07-2006, 05:28 PM | #5 |
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| This was Terri Shumsky's view: What is a Teacup Yorkie? Is that just backyard breeder hype? Yorkies according to history were always a small dog, but outcrossing in many cases has caused some larger dogs. There is speculation that some "breeders" have used Silky Terriers and registered them as Yorkshire Terriers. This could happen in kennels where they have more than one breed. They have been bred for 50-60 years as a toy dog which averages 4-6 pounds... there are occasionally 2-4 pounders and occasionally 7-9 pounders. Mice have been mice for thousands of years and therefore the size is more predictable. Most breeders will not breed a female under 4.5 or 5 pounds because to do so would be cruel and probably cause a C-section or other problems with a crowded uterus, so those that are too small to breed are sold as Tinies... (not tea cups and not miniature... just tiny). Also, small males 2-3 pounds, make breeding a little more difficult, though possible, due to the size of the male in comparison to the size of the female, so most breeders settle on a 4-7 pound size as a preference. It is possible therefore, for pups in the same litter to mature anywhere from 3 to 8 pounds in the same litter. The terminology "tea cup" size came about in the 70's when the breed became more popular than the poodle which had three sizes, toy, miniature and standard. Poodle people would differentiate between toy and very tiny poodles by calling them tea cup meaning they could sit in a tea cup and were tiny. As this size differential doesn't exist in Yorkshires, the terminology is incorrect and seems to be used by some breeders to extract a higher price for the puppy as a "tea cup size." It simply means "tiny." I would venture to guess that legitimate, reputable breeders probably come up with 60% between 4-7 pounds at maturity and 20% under 4 pounds and 20% in the 7-9 pound range. Weight is a consideration but depending on the muscle and bone in a particular dog, they can weigh more or less than you think, i.e. a 12 inch at shoulders dog could be 7 lbs and be very skinny and fine boned, while a 9.5 inch at shoulders could also be 7 lbs. and look much smaller because it carries more muscle and bone. For more information on weight history go to http://www.geocities.com/~dugmore/weighthistory.html I think that she and her husband finished something like 37 homebred champions in their lives. They are both gone now.
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09-07-2006, 06:43 PM | #6 |
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| Four of my yorkies are 3 1/2 pounds or less (the oldest being 4 1/2 years, the youngest being 1 year old).... I haven't had any problems with them other than annual cleaning of teeth (they tend to develop more plaque). They seem to be able to "hold their own" with my larger yorkies. Any size yorkie can have health problems.
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09-07-2006, 08:08 PM | #7 | |
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09-07-2006, 08:17 PM | #8 | |
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09-08-2006, 03:58 AM | #9 |
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| I've also seen on some sites that a "teacup" can be 4 pounds or under(some say 3 and under) and 8 inches or less at the shoulder. A teacup yorkie is about the size of a chihuahua(not a very large chihuahua of course, some chihuahuas can get big too, I once had a 12 pounder) but much more fluffy. Think of a long haired chihuahua with lots more hair and that's about the size. I've been asked quite a few times if my Lola is a teacup yorkie. I always tell them she's just tiny. She doesn't act like she's small, she springs off of everything and acts like she's the size of a great dane. Completely healthy. A lady down the road from me had a female who was 7 mo. old and 1 lb 14 oz. The sad thing is she's got a couple other 3 pound yorkies that she lets run loose and live outside. Any dog that small should automatically be an inside dog in my opinion. Unfortunately, I think the teacups are getting a bad rap because of some horrible breeders trying to rapidly product those little money makers and it's causing all sorts of horrible health problems.
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09-08-2006, 04:34 AM | #10 |
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| Also wanted to add that the lady I bought from didn't use any of those ad buzz words like "teacup, baby doll face, short...". She said right in her ad that the puppy would be too small to breed, which was fine by me. I think most reputable breeders stay away from the word teacup. I've seen some of the breeders here end up with a smaller than normal puppy and they don't use the word teacup either, they really care who buys their puppy...not just who will pay the most money.
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09-08-2006, 05:30 AM | #11 |
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09-08-2006, 08:16 AM | #12 | |
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09-08-2006, 08:34 AM | #13 |
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| Thanks guys..I was just womdering what your opinions are because I was surfing the web just looking at breeders websites and seeing what everyone has...Your all GUILTY! Don't try to hide it...LoL.....Anyways...I was always told there is no such thing as a "teacup" , they are pretty much just like runts...The small ones that is...The ones who don't make it to the 4-7 lbs...Anyways...The lady was selling them for $7,000.00 and promising that they would be sooooooo small....I just always thought that it was cruel for someone to bread a female thats to small in the first place. Well...I have a 5 lbs'er and he works just perfect. Couldn't have asked for anything better.. |
09-08-2006, 08:42 AM | #14 | |
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No one here wants anyone taken advantage of just because they did not know. By the way I would like to clarify something Annie who is in my avatar is not a teacup yorkie. She just happened to be very small and that cup is actually a coffee cup. Oh no, here we go we now have teaspoon yorkies, teacup Yorkies, coffee cup yorkies and we can not forget the teapot yorkies. . Sometimes you just have to have fun.
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09-08-2006, 08:42 AM | #15 |
BANNED FOR NOT MAILING PRODUCTS PURCHASED | My little girl is a "tiny" thats the term I use, she weighs in at a whooping 1lb 13 oz and the vet dont think she will reach 3lbs. I'm so over protective of her and I have learned to just walk looking down. She loves to follow me where ever I go and loves to be close to my feet. I have stairs for her and hubby is making me a ramp. She does jump off the couch and bed and it scares the day lights out of me. I would never recomend anyone getting one so small, sure she is just as cute as can be and we always have people coming and even running up to us, but you just have to be so careful with them, and if I ever decide to get her a playmate, I will have to get a small one again so the other one wont hurt her, she is so entergetic and loves to play, I would love to have another yorkie friend for her! |
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