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Old 08-19-2006, 08:00 AM   #1
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Omg Would YT'ers lynch Cesar Millan?

Okay, so I have heard so much about the show "The Dog Whisperer" on this site I thought I would buy the 1st season DVD to see what all the hype was about. Well, this guy is truly amazing! I would never try and put a 150 pound dog into a lye down position while its salivating and growling. But as I have been watching the DVD, I have had to chuckle about how well would he do if he posted on this forum. I think we very under opinionated people would lynch him! His main stand seems to be that a dog is a dog , not a baby or a human. I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, but I think that the majority of us here would have a small bit of a problem with this. He also talks about calm assertiveness and rule and discipline should come first, then affection. UMMMMM.... don't know how that one would fly here either. As for me, can't really make the jump from Bailey and Tia being my babies to them just being dogs. And if this is ruining them psychologically... well, I started a savings jar for each of my kids so that when I messed up as a parent, I was saving for their psychological treatment when they were adults Maybe I better start a Bailey and Tia jar.
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I think that the people here are divided into 2 camps on Cesar Milan: either they worship him or they disagree pretty strongly with his tactics.
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I think that the people here are divided into 2 camps on Cesar Milan: either they worship him or they disagree pretty strongly with his tactics.
Exactly! I know that I think he has some wonderful ideas but I know that there are some here that hate him.
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I can't understand why so many people want to critize Caesar. There are so many different ways to work with dogs - and Caesar's method is only one that works well. He isn't a "dog trainer." He works with dogs that have behavioral problems.

As far as dogs being dogs -- mine are. All my life I have thought of my dogs as dogs. I think it's silly to consider them to be human or children or babies. My dogs have always been my very best friends. I love them as much as I love anyone or anything in the world. And, the one thing that I have always loved most about dogs is that they are "different" from people. They have special heartwarming traits that only dogs have. This is why they are so wonderful to have around.

Ceasar has loved dogs all his life. If you read his biography - he grew up on a dirt farm outside of Mexico City. His father and grandfather had a piece of land that they farmed for themselves and otherwise they worked for the landowner who owned all the land. They were "dirt poor." From the time he was a little boy he loved the dogs around him. He said that he would study the way that they worked together and their behavior for hours. They amazed him, and he loved to watch them. His dream was to always to work with dogs when he grew up. And, the story of his coming to our country alone as a penniless young boy to find his dream is really a success story. His first job was with a groomer. They let him sleep there because he had no money and no room. And, they learned quickly that this young boy was especially gifted with the animals that were very difficult to control...(they gave him all of them) .. people begin to notice and tell their friends about this young boy that had a special gift and a way of working with dogs. And, soon, he was being invited to people's houses to help them with the problems they were having with their dogs, and the story of his success has just moved on from there.

The reason Caesar works with dogs the way he does is because as a little boy he watched and studied the working dogs around their land. These dogs were working dogs and were treated as such. He watched how they worked together and earned their keep. He saw well adjusted animals that respected one another and trusted the people around them. They had no behavioral problems and were well adjusted, gentle, hard working, and earned their keep. Caesar befriended and loved these dogs all his young life. They were his best friends, and he always wanted to be around and work with dogs. It was his dream.

It was when Caesar was came to our country that he had the shock of his life. He found animals being treated an entirely different way. They lived in houses with people and were thought of as humans, babies, and children. They were spoiled and not exercised, and he saw a lot of behavioral problems. Often, they ran the house - their owners didn't. Many were aggressive and dangerous around other animals or people. Caesar began working with people and the animals that had these problems. There is no doubt that he has helped solve a lot of problems that a lot of people and their dogs have.

It doesn't make sense to me to critize any of this. If it works - it works. I have used some of Caesar's methods on my little Yorkie and Bichon - and I'm amazed at how fast they respond and how quickly they have learned some things.

If, for some reason, you don't agree with Caesar's way of helping dogs and their owners overcome behavioral problems - use another method. There are other ways to work with your pets. A lot of people go to dog training classes.... other people totally endorse "crate training," "clicker training," and many other methods. Some people are content doing nothing and just let their pets rule the roost. And --- some people really have no serious problems with their pets to start with.

I think a lot of the methods we use to work with our pets depend on us and our pets and their problems -- if they have any. Some of our pets have no serious problems. They are friendly, happy, affectionate, and not aggressive at all. Others of us do have serious problems (we read about them all the time here on YT). Some of our dogs suffer separation anxiety, food aggression, are destructive, are aggressive and we're even afraid they'll hurt other animals or people....and many of our pets have already displayed this type of behavior.

I see no reason to critize Caesar. I think he is great and can teach most of us a lot. But- if you don't agree with his methods - work with your dog in another way.

**** I agree that if you want to consider your dog a "little human," a "child," or "your baby," you probably don't like hearing Caesar say, "Your dog is a dog, and not a human." But, it's unfortunate that this turns so many people off to the wonderful work that he is doing. However, even if it does, I see no reason to critize him --- you can still work with your dog (child) using whatever method you want. I have often jokingly said that a lot of us shouldn't be buying books on training dogs or going to dog training classes - we should be bying books on how to raise children. Whatever works works!!!!


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I think Lnyching is pretty strong.. but I've seen people that don't agree with his methods - but that's what makes things interesting -

We can't expect everyone to agree with everything and just because a guy is on TV doesn't mean he is the Authority in Training....but I happen to LOVE his show and think he's really good. I especially loved the yorkie one - those boys were just too much - and he managed to work wonders with him.

I'd love a visit from Ceaser - both my girls have a few things that need to be worked on and I'm the one who needs the training
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Okay, so I have heard so much about the show "The Dog Whisperer" on this site I thought I would buy the 1st season DVD to see what all the hype was about. Well, this guy is truly amazing! I would never try and put a 150 pound dog into a lye down position while its salivating and growling. But as I have been watching the DVD, I have had to chuckle about how well would he do if he posted on this forum. I think we very under opinionated people would lynch him! His main stand seems to be that a dog is a dog , not a baby or a human. I don't know whether I'm right or wrong, but I think that the majority of us here would have a small bit of a problem with this. He also talks about calm assertiveness and rule and discipline should come first, then affection. UMMMMM.... don't know how that one would fly here either. As for me, can't really make the jump from Bailey and Tia being my babies to them just being dogs. And if this is ruining them psychologically... well, I started a savings jar for each of my kids so that when I messed up as a parent, I was saving for their psychological treatment when they were adults Maybe I better start a Bailey and Tia jar.


I just have to say I am sitting here laughing my A@# off!!! A savings jar for your kids!! Maybe I should start a jar for my DD and label it "The Messed Up Jar" ! LOL Lord knows I have made my share of mistakes and I am sure there will be more to come! Too Funny !

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There are definately mixed opinions about the Dog Whisperer. I'm in the "Love Him" camp. I think his philosophies are simple, they make sense and they work.
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I can't understand why so many people want to critize Caesar.
**** I agree that if you want to consider your dog a "little human," a "child," or "your baby," you probably don't like hearing Caesar say, "Your dog is a dog, and not a human." But, it's unfortunate that this turns so many people off to the wonderful work that he is doing. However, even if it does, I see no reason to critize him --- you can still work with your dog (child) using whatever method you want. I have often jokingly said that a lot of us shouldn't be buying books on training dogs or going to dog training classes - we should be bying books on how to raise children. Whatever works works!!!!


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Just wanted to clear up that I really wasn't critizing him- as I stated in the first couple of lines of my post, I think he is truly amazing. And your right- I still think his methods have merit even though I may not agree with everything he says. I posted because I found it kind of ironic how so many people on this forum talk about their dogs as children, how they dress them up, sleep with them and really treat them as a human and yet sing the Dog Whisperers praises. i had no idea what his philosophy was when I got the DVD's, just had heard that a lot of people on this forum like his show (didn't read many posts against him), so I thought I would check it out. I was just shocked at what I heard. IMO, I would think that there would be a lot of people who post on this forum who would disagree with his philosophy about a dogs place in the family. Thanks for the background info Carol Jean. It does help to frame his philosophy better.
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I think that the people here are divided into 2 camps on Cesar Milan: either they worship him or they disagree pretty strongly with his tactics.
I totally agree with this.
That being said, I would belong to the camp that strongly disagrees with his tactics.
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[QUOTE=red98vett]I think Lynching is pretty strong.. but I've seen people that don't agree with his methods - but that's what makes things interesting -
Okay, yes I'll agee lynching was pretty strong, but I had just watched an episode where 2 young guys had a Chilhuahua who they loved to dress up. He just shared his thoughts with them about how they were treating this "dog". I just wondered how many people would react strongly to his stand on dressing up our dogs! He seems to be very clear- a dog is a dog and we are psychologically doing damage to them making them into something they are not. And I agree, I would love to have him at my place for an afternoon. I may not agree with everything he says, but I think there is a lot to be learnt from this guy
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I have tried caesars methods on some things and have had positive results so I like Caesar. However we call our dogs our babies and dress them up so I wouldnt agree with him on all things. My dogs dont seem maladjusted just because I dress them up or call them my babies.
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I have tried caesars methods on some things and have had positive results so I like Caesar. However we call our dogs our babies and dress them up so I wouldnt agree with him on all things. My dogs dont seem maladjusted just because I dress them up or call them my babies.
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I very much agree with being divided into two camps. And I agree with Carol Jean, there is more than one right way to train a dog.

Cesar specializes in PROBLEM dogs. For those of us who can spoil our yorkies and treat them as babies without allowing the dog to rule the house. We have no problem. But if your dog is controlling you and does not behave around other dogs and other people, then you have a big problem, whether you know it or not.

Cesar never forces a dog into submission unless they are vicious. And then ,in his mind, it is either that or the dog will be put down. He believes he is saving their life.
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