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devotedtoyou · 04-16-2005, 06:55 PM

Gracie weighs six pounds and is perfectly healthy. The male weighs four and a half pounds. Both are black and tan.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 04-16-2005, 07:25 PM

I thought this post from the other day was a good one for anyone interested in breeding. I thought it would be a good "sticky" thread that stayed at the top of the breeding forum.

To Those Thinking of Breeding

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or anyone who wants to read a good artice/page:

It's called Virtual Breeding
http://www.bluegrace.com/virtualbreeding.html
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YorkieRose · 04-16-2005, 07:34 PM

I think the standard does touch on temperment..as I recall, it mentions..a high head carriage, confindent manner that gives an air of importance..or some such words to that effect. I, interpet that to mean a well adjusted dog, secure and outgoing. A shy, timid Yorkie does not carry themselves well, they can act like they have been abused, very submissive. They can hunch over their backs and drop their heads, drop their ears back. I have yet to see a good tempermented Yorkie not walk through a room like they own the house.
I feel it is a "package" deal...it is not that hard to breed both, good temperment and quality..a Yorkie can be gorgeous in conformation, but maladjusted in temperment, that Yorkie is not show/breed quality to me. It takes much more then good conformation..infact most show breeders will give up a bit of "looks" over temperment..believe me no one talks a Yorkie into showing if they hate it..they have to be outgoing and friendly to do well in the ring. Few breeders are going to invest $$$ in making a champion who has miserable temperment..you don't want to breed from it..total waste of time and money. The best ring dog is a PET first..it only spends a few minutes at a time in the ring, but hours on your lap..if it doesn't feel like a well loved pet, you can forget it being a terrific show prospect. Dogs who are not bonded to people don't do well...
It is hard to breed some of the recessive faults out..as to knees..it is more then genetics. Weight, injury, constant jumping, simple wear and tear can
add up to bad knees..it is toy dog problem..but far too many vets rush into surgery when stablizing a normal weight etc. will correct it..
You see the problem with knees as many faults, it is almost impossible to know what faults are in what lines. A breeder could decide to place all stock that has produced bad knees,only to buy new stock that has bad bites in the line, get rid of them and get a line riddled with Legg Perthes etc.
I tell breeders to pick a fault they can live with., all dogs have faults in the lines...I will take a lose knee from time to time over a deathly disease like Liver Shunt. LS is so tricky..completely normal liver Yorkie can have a LS puppy...okay, you never breed that combo again. Doesn't mean you are home free. It can skip generations...and the breeder has no clue.
Anyone can breed who wants to breed, I don't think I have been rude to anyone posting about wanting to breed, it is best to try and educate so the Yorkie does not suffer from the breeders ignorance.
Best wishes
PS..I do not know any breeders who cull...I know breeders who give away non-standard colors, but to actual kill them, No.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 04-16-2005, 08:17 PM

Awesome info as always Pat! Thanks a lot! I learn so much from you!

I am especially glad to learn that breeders don't "cull" puppies anymore! That's wonderful news!

and no...nothing you said was in the least bit rude...just great info!

Thanks

luvdorkyyorkies · 04-16-2005, 10:20 PM

As always Pat your info is wonderful and I have never read a thread you where you were rude, but are just an excellent breeder who is very knowledgeable and breeds the best.
Kim, I really have to say I like what you said, very well said........and each of your thread, pat and yours both, are a mixture of how I feel.

I think if your yorkie is healthy and you want to breed her do it. I was 37 when I had my son and I am still alive.............LOL, my sister in law 43 with her first child, so the same with yorkies.......if she has good health and is not a tiny, have some precious babies if you like!

YorkieRose · 04-17-2005, 02:29 AM

Kim..you brought up an interesting subject to me. Plus, I do not pay much attention to what people think..if a person is happy with the type of breeder they are, then they shouldn't feel like they need to defend themselves to a anyone.
As to culling...perhaps it is common among large breeds, but I don't think it is something Yorkie show breeders do as routine. I have only had 2 non-standard pups born in 33 yrs, and it was easy to find good homes for them..but maybe if a Dobie or Boxer breeder got a huge litter of incorrect colors or sickly ones they would cull them..just don't know about that one. LOL

artie merlino · 04-17-2005, 06:46 AM

You all have great information......If you read my Post?
I was merely bringing up other points or factors that you should consider?
Besides just her age!
Before Breeding.......I didn't mean for you to feel that you had to defend yourself!
Thanks YorkieRose, Pat as usual you always express how I feel in a more technical point of view.

04-16-2005, 07:34 PM	#18
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	breeding I think the standard does touch on temperment..as I recall, it mentions..a high head carriage, confindent manner that gives an air of importance..or some such words to that effect. I, interpet that to mean a well adjusted dog, secure and outgoing. A shy, timid Yorkie does not carry themselves well, they can act like they have been abused, very submissive. They can hunch over their backs and drop their heads, drop their ears back. I have yet to see a good tempermented Yorkie not walk through a room like they own the house. I feel it is a "package" deal...it is not that hard to breed both, good temperment and quality..a Yorkie can be gorgeous in conformation, but maladjusted in temperment, that Yorkie is not show/breed quality to me. It takes much more then good conformation..infact most show breeders will give up a bit of "looks" over temperment..believe me no one talks a Yorkie into showing if they hate it..they have to be outgoing and friendly to do well in the ring. Few breeders are going to invest $$$ in making a champion who has miserable temperment..you don't want to breed from it..total waste of time and money. The best ring dog is a PET first..it only spends a few minutes at a time in the ring, but hours on your lap..if it doesn't feel like a well loved pet, you can forget it being a terrific show prospect. Dogs who are not bonded to people don't do well... It is hard to breed some of the recessive faults out..as to knees..it is more then genetics. Weight, injury, constant jumping, simple wear and tear can add up to bad knees..it is toy dog problem..but far too many vets rush into surgery when stablizing a normal weight etc. will correct it.. You see the problem with knees as many faults, it is almost impossible to know what faults are in what lines. A breeder could decide to place all stock that has produced bad knees,only to buy new stock that has bad bites in the line, get rid of them and get a line riddled with Legg Perthes etc. I tell breeders to pick a fault they can live with., all dogs have faults in the lines...I will take a lose knee from time to time over a deathly disease like Liver Shunt. LS is so tricky..completely normal liver Yorkie can have a LS puppy...okay, you never breed that combo again. Doesn't mean you are home free. It can skip generations...and the breeder has no clue. Anyone can breed who wants to breed, I don't think I have been rude to anyone posting about wanting to breed, it is best to try and educate so the Yorkie does not suffer from the breeders ignorance. Best wishes PS..I do not know any breeders who cull...I know breeders who give away non-standard colors, but to actual kill them, No. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

04-16-2005, 10:20 PM	#20
luvdorkyyorkies Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,496	As always Pat your info is wonderful and I have never read a thread you where you were rude, but are just an excellent breeder who is very knowledgeable and breeds the best. Kim, I really have to say I like what you said, very well said........and each of your thread, pat and yours both, are a mixture of how I feel. I think if your yorkie is healthy and you want to breed her do it. I was 37 when I had my son and I am still alive.............LOL, my sister in law 43 with her first child, so the same with yorkies.......if she has good health and is not a tiny, have some precious babies if you like! __________________ Kelly "Home of the Dorky Yorkies!"

04-17-2005, 02:29 AM	#21
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	breeding Kim..you brought up an interesting subject to me. Plus, I do not pay much attention to what people think..if a person is happy with the type of breeder they are, then they shouldn't feel like they need to defend themselves to a anyone. As to culling...perhaps it is common among large breeds, but I don't think it is something Yorkie show breeders do as routine. I have only had 2 non-standard pups born in 33 yrs, and it was easy to find good homes for them..but maybe if a Dobie or Boxer breeder got a huge litter of incorrect colors or sickly ones they would cull them..just don't know about that one. LOL __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

04-17-2005, 06:46 AM	#22
artie merlino YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Myrtle Beach,SC Posts: 566	Sorry You feel like you have to Defend yourself? You all have great information......If you read my Post? I was merely bringing up other points or factors that you should consider? Besides just her age! Before Breeding.......I didn't mean for you to feel that you had to defend yourself! Thanks YorkieRose, Pat as usual you always express how I feel in a more technical point of view.

04-16-2005, 06:55 PM	#16
devotedtoyou Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 242	Gracie weighs six pounds and is perfectly healthy. The male weighs four and a half pounds. Both are black and tan.

04-16-2005, 07:25 PM	#17
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I thought this post from the other day was a good one for anyone interested in breeding. I thought it would be a good "sticky" thread that stayed at the top of the breeding forum. To Those Thinking of Breeding -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- or anyone who wants to read a good artice/page: It's called Virtual Breeding http://www.bluegrace.com/virtualbreeding.html __________________

04-16-2005, 08:17 PM	#19
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	Awesome info as always Pat! Thanks a lot! I learn so much from you! I am especially glad to learn that breeders don't "cull" puppies anymore! That's wonderful news! and no...nothing you said was in the least bit rude...just great info! Thanks