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05-05-2006, 01:54 PM | #1 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dallas, TX
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| DNA testing? I've noticed in some other threads DNA testing is mentioned regarding determining the breed. I know Kirby is not purebreed, and I don't care he's a wonderful mix whatever he is but I am curious as heck to know for sure. Kimberley -(txshopper, lots of Kimberly's on here I've noticed) found some pics of Jack Russell/Yorkie mixes that are almost indenticle to Kirby so my money is on that mix but it's still a crap shoot to know for sure. I would be interested in getting a DNA test to know positively what he is. Any idea how much this costs and where to get it done? I guess I could call the vet eh? But this is more fun!!
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05-05-2006, 02:14 PM | #2 |
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| I'm not sure, I know that the AKC requires it for studs, and I believe that cost $35 to register their DNa. But from what I hear, DNA testing is very expenisve. Maybe your vet could give you more information on it. |
05-05-2006, 03:28 PM | #3 |
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| As I recall the vet said you can not take a dogs DNA and tell what breed it is...you can determine it is canine and if you have the parents DNA you can be positive about whether they produced that pup or not..but a sample of DNA does not tell you 1/3 poodle, 1/3 cocker and 1/3 Yorkie... As of now, it is not possible to determine the race of human DNA...you can determine male from female..human from animal, but not Asian from African America, Caucasian from American Indian...same with breeds of dogs. |
05-07-2006, 04:31 PM | #4 | |
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Bolded above is basically what DNA is used for. To determine if said parents are indeed the parents of said dog.
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05-07-2006, 04:41 PM | #5 | |
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05-07-2006, 05:23 PM | #6 |
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| Whoa you guys! Better get up to date with the fast-moving advances being made in science today -- DNA - human genome sequencing, etc. This shouldn't be surprising. DNA (and especially genome sequencing) are so new that many people aren't yet aware of much that has been learned in only the last decade. And - recently it has been discovered that different breeds of dogs can be identified from DNA and gene sequencing... The following are only a couple excerpts from scientific articles on the Internet. ] .....and there are hundreds....... (Search "Dog breeds DNA") And - please do read what has been learned about the Chihuahua... ------------------------------------------- The fact that it is so easy to tell what breed a dog is by looking at its DNA also told the researchers that dog breeds are more different from each other than people are from each other. In other words, even people from totally different parts of the world who look very different, like a person from Africa and one from Asia, are more genetically alike than two dogs that might look similar, but are different breeds. -------- It’s possible, then, to determine the breed of any dog simply by analyzing an anonymous sample of doggie DNA.1. The finding, reported today in Science, is based on a survey of nearly 100 genetic “landmarks” that vary somewhat from breed to breed. The researchers analyzed the landmarks in more than 400 dogs belonging to 85 different breeds. In nearly every case . . . . “You can take a cheek swab and say with 99 percent accuracy what dog you’re looking at . . . ” ---------------------- The Chihuahua ---- Among other findings, the analysis determined that the Chihuahua is actually a type of large rodent, selectively bred for centuries to resemble a canine. "This is clearly going to raise some eyebrows in the Chihuahua world," said Peggy Wilson, president of the Chihuahua Club of America. "It goes against our belief system. People are pretty passionate about their dogs. . . . " Carol Jean |
05-07-2006, 05:46 PM | #7 |
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| post Thank you for posting that...I have not read anything lately..and you are so right things change. I called AKC and they are behind the tiems also...woman on the phone said they could only determine parents, not breed mixes.. |
05-07-2006, 05:54 PM | #8 |
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| Me again -- I really can attest to the fact that there is a lot quickly going on now scientifically - that the general public isn't aware of....not because the public doesn't care, but because most people don't make it a point to read scientific journals or articles that are geared toward these types of subjects.... As well - I have seen several programs on Discovery and National Geographic that discussed some of these same recent breakthroughs. Science is like a computer. You buy one today - and tomorrow it is obsolete. It is said that science has made more significant breakthroughs over the past decade than it has over the past several centuries. ***** I am going to do further research on the "Chihuahua/rodent" thing. It's not that I don't believe it -- it's more that I am so astonished by it. Carol Jean |
05-07-2006, 05:57 PM | #9 |
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| Wow SnowWa that is interesting. I might look into this for Kirby. I have a hard time believing that a Chi is a rodent though. I mean Chiuauas can breed with other dogs and inter-species breeding is not possible, a dog can't breed with a cat, a rodent etc... so this might just have been written by someone that doesn't like Chiuaua's I don't know.
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05-07-2006, 06:02 PM | #10 |
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| Ah, here is an article saying that the Chi/rodent thing is false and is just an urban legend. I thought so, that didn't sound logical to me. http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/chihuahua.asp
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05-07-2006, 06:56 PM | #11 |
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| Kirby's Dad - It certainly has never seemed logical to me either --- especially, as you noted, Chihuahuas can breed with other dogs. You brought up a good point. We definitely cannot believe everything we run across on the Internet. But, at the same time, there is unlimited valuable reliable information to be found. It is important to take whatever information we find on the Internet and only consider it if we find many additional articles giving us the same information - and equally, if not more important, we need to consider the sources - before giving credibility - to any information. Good work - Kirby's Dad!!!!!! Carol Jean |
05-07-2006, 10:00 PM | #12 |
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| I'm not sure about dogs but I know parrots and other birds are DNA tested quite regularly. My grey has been tested and I got the kit to test our macaw but havent' had the heart to collect even the few drops of blood needed but it is VERY reasonably priced for parrots. The basic tests and testing to see if it is male or female, testing for 2 diseases is only $35. here's a link for one site that does the canine testing. http://www.vetdnacenter.com/fees.html
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05-07-2006, 10:23 PM | #13 |
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| Many pet birds need to be DNA tested to determine the sex. (Because there are no external differences between the males and females - coloring or anything else.) This is a common, easy, inexpensive DNA test. They can run this test on blood, blood feathers, nail clippings, etc. I never knew if my bird was a male or female and could have had it DNA tested (sexed) - but since it really didn't matter, I didn't do it. Plus - you can wait - and, if it lays an egg -- it's a girl! But breeders and people who want to breed birds are interested in learning at a much younger age - often even before purchasing. And, as we know, many of the larger birds are very expensive - thousands of dollars. I have a friend who has a Macaw (she breeds and raises birds) that is worth $20,000 --- WOW! Carol Jean |
05-08-2006, 04:57 AM | #15 |
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| Go To The Akc Website...they Will Send You A Kit....if You Pay Right A Way, 20.00 If You Wait Til You Send It Back, $40.00. It Is Very Simple....you Just Take A Swab Of His Gums Send It Back. Takes About 8 Weeks For Results
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