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09-17-2017, 04:09 PM | #16 |
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| If you want to get into technical terms, I don't think it's possible to be 100% purely positive 100% of the time. Even withholding food from a dog in order to get them to understand that is *not* what you want could be considered aversive. I am primarily a positive trainer as most on here know. I don't believe any dog should feel forced. There is always a way to teach a dog without pain, fear, intimidation, etc. Is a water bottle going to be a good method for every dog? No. Some may be too soft or too timid. Some may not care. Our JRT mix Lilly found the squirt bottle to be rewarding. She LOVED it... so much for that. While I wouldn't say it would be primary method to train a dog from behaving in this way.... I think for a fast result in a situation such as the OP where the mom could be in danger, something like a squirt bottle may be appropriate.
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09-17-2017, 04:22 PM | #17 | |
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Sadly, this is not the time or place to talk about my choice not to sew for Callie. It had nothing to do with your precious Callie or her size. I will not belittle either of discussing an unrelated private matter that has nothing to do with the OP's original plea for help. I did apologize and I have offered to privately help the OP. Unless she contacts me in this thread, I will bow out - I have more important issues to attend to than discussing the merits (OR NOT) of using a squirt bottle as a training tool. | |
09-17-2017, 04:28 PM | #18 | |
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09-17-2017, 05:17 PM | #19 |
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| I just want to say that in no way is using a squirt bottle if used right abuse so hopefully op you don't feel judged or bullied about it. If you would like to talk about ways and how to do it feel free to send me a message and I will be happy to help you.
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09-17-2017, 05:40 PM | #20 |
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| A basic obedience class would probably help the pup to learn behavior that he would get positive reinforcement for. I briefly tried the water bottle thing with my Cali when she attacked the TV barking and it freaked her out! She had only had positive reinforcement prior to that. She did not perceive the squirt as positive! I went back to the obedience tenet of "leave it" and distraction. That worked well for her. Dogs are different just like people so there is no one size fits all. Obedience also teaches a dog to listen to the handler which gives you a good start! Wishing you good luck as you navigate this issue!
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09-17-2017, 06:07 PM | #21 | |
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09-17-2017, 06:40 PM | #22 |
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| Sense people have brought up waterbottle, what about Stop That spray? It doesn't leave a wet face, and is more the sound that gets to dogs from being locked on. I think pennies in can make them afraid of large sounds, and water in the face will teach them to associate water with that too. Could also try calming treats, and exercising him more. But ultimately having a trainer come into your home will be able to give you the best advice.
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09-18-2017, 12:29 AM | #23 |
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| I would like to retract this apology. I was in private acussed for abusing my dog because I used the squirt bottle and that's just crazy. If you knew me or my dogs you would know they are far from abused. One squirt and a firm no after biting or holding onto a pant leg or shoe is not abuse. I will not be bullied! As far as the harness I find it interesting that she says on here that it didn't have to do with my dogs weight yet I have a private message to prove otherwise. I also know someone whose dog was the same weight and she made a harness for them so seems a little fishy to me. I refuse to be bullied into apologizing for something that is not my fault nor did I do anything but speak the truth!
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09-18-2017, 04:45 AM | #24 | |
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There is no one fit for all. A water bottle is NOT going to hurt a dog and is far from being negative. good grief folks, lighten up.....
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09-18-2017, 11:48 AM | #25 | |
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Very true! I just want to add that after several attempts to train mine out of barking at every single noise at home, a one-time use of the water bottle spray actually solved it (it sprays a mist of water). And, I am all for positive training and clicker training techniques.
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09-18-2017, 12:22 PM | #26 | |
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09-18-2017, 12:39 PM | #27 |
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| We have used the "coin in a can" method successfully and Fabian is NOT afraid of any other noises, loud or otherwise. The very act of reaching for a can-shaped object gets him to stop misbehaving and he gets lots of hugs,kisses, and treats when he redirects to better behavior. Your mileage may vary: each dog is different. |
09-18-2017, 01:18 PM | #28 |
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| Does anyone know about Tamar Gellar's online training program? I like her thoughts on training and just wondering.... It looks relatively inexpensive.... The Loved Dog – Tamar Geller's Best Dog Training & Boarding in Los Angeles
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09-20-2017, 01:23 AM | #29 | |
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09-21-2017, 04:46 PM | #30 | |
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