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Old 05-17-2017, 05:31 PM   #16
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I am overwhelmed at the level of support you guys have given. Please know I am absolutely taking to heart your advice and experience!

Really, thank you so very much for the detailed, thoughtful responses. My boy and I feel supported.

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Old 05-18-2017, 01:41 AM   #17
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The issue is you really need to try to get your dog used to a crate because if they have to stay at the vet for any kind of surgery even just for the day they have to stay in a crate and it can be really hard on them if they aren't used to it.
This is not a fact, Taylor. Many dogs, mine included, hate being in crates but actually do tolerate cages / kennels at the vet office.

So, it's *not* true that anyone *needs* to get their dog used to a crate.
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This is not a fact, Taylor. Many dogs, mine included, hate being in crates but actually do tolerate cages / kennels at the vet office.

So, it's *not* true that anyone *needs* to get their dog used to a crate.
How about we agree that dogs need to get used to confinement, whether it be crate, carrier, cage, or kennel? Our Bella prefers to be in her carrier when we are away from the house, because she feels secure. However, she HATES cages and kennels at the vet's office. I think that's more because it's a strange environment (and she knows that something unpleasant is probably going to happen to her).
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This is not a fact, Taylor. Many dogs, mine included, hate being in crates but actually do tolerate cages / kennels at the vet office.

So, it's *not* true that anyone *needs* to get their dog used to a crate.
It can stress dogs out to be put into a crate at the vets office when they are not used to it. I have seen it and heard about it. There are many reasons dogs should learn to at least tolerate the crate.
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Pups instinctively sleep with their pack, often back-to-back or on or near one another. Anything else is anathema to them so we have to allow them to slowly come around to our strange ways(to them our ways are very foreign). Dogs don't naturally isolate at bedtime or playtime in separate cave-like, confined areas but that's what you're asking her to do. You'll have to create fun, pleasant, short-lived associations with that crate for her to want to go in it.

First of all place a worn tee-shirt or socks with your scent on it in the crate so your baby can cuddle with a packmember's scent to help soothe her. Change as necessary with a piece of clothing with your scent on it until she's learned to love her crate.

Teach your pup that the crate is a temporary, very fun place. Feed her in there every meal with the door open as you sit right beside it, cheering her on as she eats in the crate. During the day, toss balls and toys and treats in there for her to go in and get, eat, retrieve but be able to come right out again so her 'prisoner' gene isn't triggered. Praise her and clap and act VERY enthusiastic when she goes in and praise her big time for anytime she should wander in on her on and immediately get her a special treat. Make a game of tossing a treat in and clapping and praising her for going in to eat it! The more fun the game, the more she'll like her crate.

Slowly build up her tolerance for the crate during the time you are home with her by putting her in with high-tone, squeaky-sounding, enthusiastic, happy words like "you've won the prize!" and "you WIN so IN you go!", add high-value treats or toys and close the door, walk away. One minute or two later, return and let her out with little fanfare. Repeat 30 mins. later and on and on until she's accepting her short time with no fuss. Gradually increase her time in the crate with the door shut as tolerated with no fuss from her. If you work up gradually and slowly enough, she should be able to stay in for a whole hour with no talkback.

But she'll still instinctively want to cuddle near the body warmth of a packmate at bedtime as that's how dogs instinctively sleep in nature. All of my dogs have slept in the bed with me, teehee. At first, I had to place them in the small, compact airline carriers with a worn sock of mine until I knew they could be clean in the bed and not go potty, etc. But those babies knew I was right there, nearby, my fingers sticking in the wire doorway if they felt separated from their pack. After a day or two, they didn't need the carrier anymore and slept with mommie.

But for many reasons dogs need to be trained to tolerate or even love the protection of their crate with total acceptance.
100% agreed on all of this!! This is how I trained mine as well. They both love their crates and don't make a peep (now). It definitely wasn't easy at first. But, it was totally well worth it!
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100% agreed on all of this!! This is how I trained mine as well. They both love their crates and don't make a peep (now). It definitely wasn't easy at first. But, it was totally well worth it!
It can be really important for our dogs to feel secure and contented in their crate, especially when you are dealing with workmen and they are coming and going in and out the doors or there's an emergency of some kind, toddlers are visiting or the dog is crate-confined during rehab. Tibbe often self-crates in his airline carrier between the den couch and wall and snores away when I'm up and busy. At times, he leaves the bed and finishes his sleep there if he's heard a noise outside he feels he must monitor.
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I'm encouraged by the training tips and your personal anecdotes. I've moved the crate closer, removed the cover and as soon as I did, he walked right into it. Still a struggle at bedtime, but not to the degree as before.

I'll continue to train him with positive reinforcement as I want him to have a safe and comfortable 'room' on standby.

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I'm encouraged by the training tips and your personal anecdotes. I've moved the crate closer, removed the cover and as soon as I did, he walked right into it. Still a struggle at bedtime, but not to the degree as before.

I'll continue to train him with positive reinforcement as I want him to have a safe and comfortable 'room' on standby.

Great conversation.

Kathy (and Morris)
It'll happen. Tibbe had a bad history and was scared of and barked, shook, sometimes panicked from just about everything when I first got him - TV's, any electronic type sound(can still occasionally send him out of the room if he's feeling bad), doorbell, refrigerator coming on, alarm clock, phone ringing, going through doorways, doors themselves, garbage bags not where they should be outside, a bit of trash blowing across the yard, you name it. With patient redirection, always positive reinforcement, they do learn to handle new things. There are even training exercises for teaching hyper-vigilant dogs how to handle new, strange things.
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