Knowingly breeding with LP

[Ms2Mrs]

I am in a bit of a situation and I am not sure how to move forward.

My puppy who is 7 months was recently diagnosed with luxating patella. I was shocked and a bit unnerved but I just pushed forward. I was mainly just praying that it wasn't going to break my bank.

I informed the breeder because I suspected that she would want to know since the individual is a show breeder and I gathered their information from the AKC website to avoid any issues with a less than stellar breeder.

I received an email where the breeder stated that all of their dogs have LP grades 1-2 and they made this choice due to wanting to maintain the best show quality dogs and it was a conscious choice.

I can't say that I am completely disgusted but I feel a bit duped. We had a discussion around genetic defects and they never mentioned this at all. I would not have purchased if I had known that this was a known issue. I completely understand that there are certain things that go along with toy breeds but it is my understanding from research that it is completely genetic and largely recessive.

I approached this situation just wanting to make them aware and it appears that I was the only one not aware. My contract protects against life threatening defects only but I guess pain and arthritis aren't life threatening

I'm going to get it fixed but I am not sure where to go from here


*He is showing signs of it. Which is why I took him to the vet to just ease my nerves that he had not hurt himself or was bit by something*

[Wylie's Mom]

Wow! I'd be so ticked off! That they knowingly withheld the info that they *purposely bred* grade 1-2 LP is just shocking to me, and disgusting.

What state did you purchase the pup in, and what is that state's Puppy Lemon Laws...?

Is the breeder going to pay for the surgery if/when needed...?

[Justjeri]

I have been living such a sheltered life before I got my Babies 13 years ago I thought AKC meant that they would be absolutely safe much too my demise after I purchased my dog I learned that that at that time in Topeka Kansas that was so not the case , AT the time I figured it outwas really too late because I was so enamored with my boy it was too late to turn back! scary thought this woman is a REGISTERED NURSE smart enough to get around inspections.and DNA testing . I still am very Leary of supposed AKC breeders just because my actual registration papers for Mack were stolen that's the kind of thing I just put in files 13 years ago, and when I recently moved realized missing from files. Just average joe that didn't know any better!😡

[Lovetodream88]

Yeah I was told that most breeders dogs have LP and they will breed dogs with it. Make sure you use a board certified orthopedic surgeon do not use your regular vet for this. Also it's a rough surgery and a rough recovery. They have to stay on crate rest for at least 8 weeks.

[yorkiemini]

Breeding a dog with known defects is, in my opinion, not only disgusting but fraud. There is a breeder/show dog person I know who breeds cardiomeglia into her dogs to get the coat and show gait. Beautiful dogs, but don't live long.

What is the purpose😡 A few ribbons - probably the show reputation and the $$ she makes selling pups!

This is one of the reasons the YTCA is now pushing for the DNA testing. Today, I would not buy a dog without it. It is not the all in all, but it is a step forward. And it is not too expensive. Of course the best is an honest breeder!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Justjeri

I have been living such a sheltered life before I got my Babies 13 years ago I thought AKC meant that they would be absolutely safe much too my demise after I purchased my dog I learned that that at that time in Topeka Kansas that was so not the case , AT the time I figured it outwas really too late because I was so enamored with my boy it was too late to turn back! scary thought this woman is a REGISTERED NURSE smart enough to get around inspections.and DNA testing . I still am very Leary of supposed AKC breeders just because my actual registration papers for Mack were stolen that's the kind of thing I just put in files 13 years ago, and when I recently moved realized missing from files. Just average joe that didn't know any better!😡

AKC just means their pure bred you really have to do your research these days. Hard to find a reputable breeder.

[Ms2Mrs]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Wow! I'd be so ticked off! That they knowingly withheld the info that they *purposely bred* grade 1-2 LP is just shocking to me, and disgusting.

What state did you purchase the pup in, and what is that state's Puppy Lemon Laws...?

Is the breeder going to pay for the surgery if/when needed...?

I purchased the puppy in TN. I'm not sure they are. I get the impression that they don't think it's a big deal. I'll admit that after the discussion I've just been kind of quiet. I'm waiting to chose my words carefully.

I'll look up lemon law stuff. Thank you.

I did get lucky and picked a vet that is an orthopedic surgeon. They perform them regularly. I'm just scared because I lost a cat to a neuter years ago and now I am in a bundle of nerves about any surgery.

I did check the breeder against search results here and the bbb.

[airplane]

Wow! What a horrible breeder. I can't believe people knowingly breed like that. I don't understand the argument of maintaining best show quality dogs. There are show quality dogs who are very healthy and produce healthy puppies. So why doesn't she go that route. It may be more work and she may need new breeding stock and all that, but it seems to me instead that the breeder just took the easy way out of maintaining show quality dogs. Her dogs may be very beautiful but it just doesn't seem ethical to me at all to knowingly breed a health issue. I just don't get it. I probably would've sent her the meanest nastiest email ever! Lol. And I'd probably take it further than that too. I just don't like breeders who don't have a sense of ethics and who don't put health first when it comes to breeding.

[yorkiemini]

Originally Posted by airplane

Wow! What a horrible breeder. I can't believe people knowingly breed like that. I don't understand the argument of maintaining best show quality dogs. There are show quality dogs who are very healthy and produce healthy puppies. So why doesn't she go that route. It may be more work and she may need new breeding stock and all that, but it seems to me instead that the breeder just took the easy way out of maintaining show quality dogs. Her dogs may be very beautiful but it just doesn't seem ethical to me at all to knowingly breed a health issue. I just don't get it. I probably would've sent her the meanest nastiest email ever! Lol. And I'd probably take it further than that too. I just don't like breeders who don't have a sense of ethics and who don't put health first when it comes to breeding.

I TOTALLY AGREE! It has to do with money, greed and ignorance. That breeder is in denial and does not want anyone to tell her she does not know everything there is to know. She is resistant to the whole DNA testing thing, especially since the cardiac issues has arisen and been spread around.

YTCA decisions are going to push her though and she does not like that since she wants to be a player in that organization. But people are getting smarter and better educated and when those who have such blind faith in her get educated it will change.

Funny, since the whole DNA thing came to be, it is not expensive and, of course not perfect, but the better breeders really like it because they can give their buyer's better assurance of health.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Ms2Mrs

I purchased the puppy in TN. I'm not sure they are. I get the impression that they don't think it's a big deal. I'll admit that after the discussion I've just been kind of quiet. I'm waiting to chose my words carefully.

I'll look up lemon law stuff. Thank you.

I did get lucky and picked a vet that is an orthopedic surgeon. They perform them regularly. I'm just scared because I lost a cat to a neuter years ago and now I am in a bundle of nerves about any surgery.

I did check the breeder against search results here and the bbb.

Are they a board certified orthopedic surgeon? Get pre op blood work.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by airplane

Wow! What a horrible breeder. I can't believe people knowingly breed like that. I don't understand the argument of maintaining best show quality dogs. There are show quality dogs who are very healthy and produce healthy puppies. So why doesn't she go that route. It may be more work and she may need new breeding stock and all that, but it seems to me instead that the breeder just took the easy way out of maintaining show quality dogs. Her dogs may be very beautiful but it just doesn't seem ethical to me at all to knowingly breed a health issue. I just don't get it. I probably would've sent her the meanest nastiest email ever! Lol. And I'd probably take it further than that too. I just don't like breeders who don't have a sense of ethics and who don't put health first when it comes to breeding.

You would be surprised. Breed standards have really messed up so many breeds. There are German Shepard that win shows and can hardly walk. They have done terrible things to the breeds that have the squashed like faces. Sometime the standard and show breeding has really messed some dogs up.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Ms2Mrs

I received an email where the breeder stated that all of their dogs have LP grades 1-2 and they made this choice due to wanting to maintain the best show quality dogs and it was a conscious choice.

Infuriating! The translation of this statement is: "I purchased breeding dogs and I didn't want to lose money or spend more money to eliminate them from my breeding program when I discovered they have LP."

My boys are full brothers from a champion sire. No LP in their lines.

I wish the conformation judges would enforce the rules and disqualify dogs with faults as serious as LP. This wouldn't stop non-exhibitors from breeding dogs with LP, but it would be a start.

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[Imissu]

OK, I'm now pulling my hair out. I have a l-o-n-g history with this issue. My personal feeling is that any breeder who perpetuates this should not EVER be permitted to register pups......EVER!

[Lovetodream88]

Who is the breeder?

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

You would be surprised. Breed standards have really messed up so many breeds. There are German Shepard that win shows and can hardly walk. They have done terrible things to the breeds that have the squashed like faces. Sometime the standard and show breeding has really messed some dogs up.

I know show breeders are not all ethical, I get that....but are you serious about that, above...? Bc if so, whoa, then those judges and that entire community should be ashamed of themselves...letting it get to *that* point, ya know...?