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04-29-2017, 08:50 AM | #16 |
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| The same nonsense happens in the horse "industry". There was a point where little feet were the in thing. Consequently. the poor horses were going lame very early in their careers. Now the trend is a hanging head and the horses no longer can move naturally, and you are absolutely right, if these trends were not pinned well in shows, this would not happen. Breed little dogs, get BIG problems. It's all about $$$$ not function. |
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04-29-2017, 09:50 AM | #17 |
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| Yep. I wish I knew where that article went so I could share it. Don't you remember like a year ago we were talking about reputable breeders and several people said reputable breeders breed Yorkie's with a grade 1 or 2 LP? I like was freaking out.
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04-29-2017, 10:57 AM | #18 |
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| Unfortunately the judges only compared to the standard for the breed . They don't check health, patellar, cataracts, livers or cardiac issues. That is the breeder that should be setting those health standards. Breeders who give good health guarantees are doing that! And, I think more and more are doing that. We can hope to educate buyers to ask for DNA results, BATS, cataracts and patella assessments from the breeders and a health guarantee/ agreement.
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04-29-2017, 05:36 PM | #19 | ||
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Yes, they breed GSDs to walk on lower parts of the leg that are not meant to be walked on. We took care of our neighbor's German Shepherd whenever they traveled. I always thought something was wrong with the dog, the way she walked, the position of her rear end and tail. I was informed that she was show quality and they were proud. Then another neighbor moved in with 2 GSDs that were the same away. That is when I learned about the horrifying things being done to the breed.
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04-29-2017, 05:39 PM | #20 | |
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04-29-2017, 07:36 PM | #21 |
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| I think it's starting to become almost rare to have a yorkie without LP.
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04-29-2017, 07:37 PM | #22 | |
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04-30-2017, 02:26 AM | #23 |
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| Agreed. I do not understand how this became the desired look for a German Shepherd, butt and tail downward, and practically walking on their back knees:
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04-30-2017, 02:31 AM | #24 |
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| What a shame GS is my favorite large breed, it is so sad to see this happening to them as they have always stood so majestic and proud
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04-30-2017, 05:22 AM | #25 |
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| It's not just them. Other dog breeds are suffering too. People brush this under the rug but it is a serious issues. We fight for dog rights as far as dog fighting, breeding, puppy mills and abuse but we don't fight for what some of these standards are doing to them.
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04-30-2017, 07:52 AM | #26 |
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| Folks who are interested in selling pups seem to think a 1-2 luxation is acceptable for a lap sitting dog! Not the case for folks who plan on an active dog such as agility, fly ball etc. So wondering how much has to do with expectations of the dog/breed and of course the buyer!
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05-02-2017, 08:26 AM | #27 | |
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Talk to your vet and see if your pup's condition will allow it. Every vet Kaji's had has agreed that yes, Kaji's knees slip, but he is lean, and the muscles in his legs are strong enough to compensate. There is no need for surgery at this moment, especially when knee slippage can occur even after surgery. If your pup is in pain, and unable to walk, then yes, seek an orthopedic vet to increase your chances of a great outcome.
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05-02-2017, 08:43 AM | #28 | ||
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To Ms2Mrs, I'm so sorry to hear about this experience! I would be so mad!! They are the exact reason why we've all become so skeptical and paranoid about what is a responsible breeder. When I first contacted my breeder, I had the longest list of questions. I was embarrassed, but still powered through with each and every question. LP was one of them. My breeder told me that they've only had occasional level one's, and that they wouldn't breed those. It sucks that you miss one question, and then your puppy's health is in jeopardy. It really sucks. I hope others can give you comfort in LP surgeries. I've read that many recover well...
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06-03-2017, 11:15 PM | #29 |
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| I was a former member of Yorkietalk before some unfortunate incident but it taught me so much about breeding and what to look for and what to stay away from when I was a newbie. Nevertheless, I always check breeders by searching these forums and I would like to have someone else avoid this incident if they could. I didn't want to release the breeder's name because I was hoping that the resolution would be more favorable to her. I never expected this from an AKC breeder but the complete lack of remorse or sense of wrong doing is just disgusting. My breeder was Leslie Roden of Leslie Roden. Please understand that if you go with this lady who stated that she KNOWINGLY breeds in her stock that have LP of grades 1 or 2 for a look. She does not plan to stop and will not stop, so you are guaranteeing yourself additional causes for concern. I have read up on it. I have an amazing vet and I'll just try to hold off the surgery for as long as I can. I'm just disappointed. Largely in myself as well. I thought I was avoiding the trapping of a backyard breeder by being an AKC snob but I should have done more. Thank you all so much for the tips and suggestions. I had to get a second opinion and see what the breeder wanted to do but she doesn't care and told me that he is limping from some injury she thinks he has had. |
06-04-2017, 09:36 AM | #30 | |
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