How much food to feed?

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Ham is really bad it can cause pancreatitis.

Bah Ill stop altogether. But now I dont know what else to give her, as I am not sure what else she can stomach.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Garlic is considered toxic it causes anemia. If you decided to home cook you must must have a recipe from a vet nutritionist and supplements. That's why I like balanceit.com those recipes are by vet nutritionists and they sell the supplement.

Is that a paid site? I don't mind just curious. Yeah, still she ate something with a bit of garlic to it. She was fine, not sure id like to test and find out... It was strictly accidental.

I am even more careful about anyone eating chocolate near her.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

So half an egg a week is good for them? You're right carbs are needed, but I am not sure how much is too much or good enough. So a little rice would be good for them?

For eggshells and vitamin supplements. I was thinking the food would have to be somewhat moist, and you could crush the vitamins, and calcium like you said and sprinkle them all over.

Not sure about this, but for fish I hear the healthier part of certain fish is the omega whatever.

I know they sell krill oil capsules, was wondering if breaking them open and sprinkling it over the food would be good or maybe they sell it liquid form and I could just spray it on their food?

I hear the omega whatever is good for the heart, and the brain. Honestly even I should be having them daily as it is good for people. So I figured it might be good for them?


As for the crushed egg shells.

I understand dogs aren't reptiles and amphibians, but you do know they already sell calcium powder (some with D3 added-- D3 is what reptiles get from sunlight it's how they use the calcium) for reptiles and stuff. So I would assume it's the same deal?

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That explains the goods and bad about homemade dog food. Overall it's better but only if you actually know what you're doing-- what I said earlier about potatoes is half right. The problem with potatoes or any plant from the nighshade family is that they contain certain alkaloids which aggravates inflammation or w/e. Basically Potatoes, tomatoes = no bueno.

As for multivitamins, one can't just add multivitamins as they were made to be used in conjunction with kibble. So the actual amount is very low as kibble already contains more of it.


Feeding raw is good because it means less likely hood of contamination by some careless oaf... however raw foods don't contain the appropriate amount of nutrients to keep it all up. So it needs to be supplemented with vitamins and such.

But the thing is, no two raw diets are the same.

One meal can be naturally high in say vitamin A, B or C, and low on other stuff, while another could be high in Omega fatty acids, vitamin A, D, E, and calcium but low on the others.

So because no two meals are the same, it is crucial to calculate the amount of vitamins in each food and compensate the loss of the others with THOSE particularly lost minerals and vitamins.

So, instead of buying a broad catch all vitamin supplement, one would really need to buy different vitamins, and minerals to supplement it.


All would have to be done to a science and still you can easily over feed on vitamins which would lead to kidney problems in the long run I would assume.

That being said one would have to consult with someone whose actually studied it.

It may not affect them now, but it could affect them say 5 years from now and it would be a tad too late.

My issue is finding the exact specific recipes that aren't loosely represented and just random stuff thrown together. The recipe would have to see what vitamins and minerals itd be high on, and which it'd be lacking.

That would make it a balanced meal, as the key is to make it a balanced meal.

If one can do that, I have no doubt raw would have so many benefits.

But that's the thing, it would be hard to find diets already tried and tested -- fully explained right down to the science of it. Because really, that's what it comes down to. Science.

Guess you could call that the true "science diet" lol.

My guess, that is why you also give them kibble. Because the kibble is already formulated.

Thing is, dogs have different nutrient requirement. As a puppy needs much more calcium, fat/carbs, vitamins, minerals than say an adult because a puppy is growing fast and that requires the extra nutrients.


The diets would have to be breed specific as some dog breeds grow obviously larger and thus have higher requirements than say a toy breed?

I'm sure I'm going to get flack for speaking out against raw but I just want to share what I have learned in my vet assistant classes. When a dog eats raw and then goes to drink water the raw food bits that are left in their mouth will go into the water and then be left there to grow bacteria. Any room temperature meat will and can grow bacteria. Most vets are generally against it because of the contamination factor and that most of the time its not balanced. Dogs can and dog get salmonella. If you have children or elderly in your home they recommend not feeding it because you might end up making one of them sick. We also have to keep in mind yorkies have long hair that will get into it so unless you are washing them with soap after they eat your looking at contamination that way as well. Did you check out balanceit.com? Those recipes are made by vet nutritionists and they sell and tell you how much of the supplement to put in. If you want to go home cooked that's probably they best way to go.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Bah Ill stop altogether. But now I dont know what else to give her, as I am not sure what else she can stomach.

My girl loves EVERYTHING lol more so as she gets older. We have done broccoli, squash, potato, sweet potato, apple, strawberry, blueberry, banana, carrots, peas, green beans uhh that's all I can come up with right now. She takes some medicine that makes her tummy a bit upset if she doesn't eat so she was getting a handful of chicken in the am and pm with her meds. When we were trying to figure out what food she is allergic too we did duck, rabbit and and beef. Duck was ok for awhile but it stinks and well rabbit is kinda expensive and well just disturbing to look at. I am now giving fresh pet (found in the coolers at the pet store) for her little handful of stuff because I was worried about how much she was getting. Cheerios make great treats too.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Is that a paid site? I don't mind just curious. Yeah, still she ate something with a bit of garlic to it. She was fine, not sure id like to test and find out... It was strictly accidental.

I am even more careful about anyone eating chocolate near her.

No not a paid site. Regular chocolate takes a lot to make them sick its dark chocolate and bakers chocolate that it takes very little of. Also be careful with sugar free gum.

[JennaPenny]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I'm sure I'm going to get flack for speaking out against raw but I just want to share what I have learned in my vet assistant classes. When a dog eats raw and then goes to drink water the raw food bits that are left in their mouth will go into the water and then be left there to grow bacteria. Any room temperature meat will and can grow bacteria. Most vets are generally against it because of the contamination factor and that most of the time its not balanced. Dogs can and dog get salmonella. If you have children or elderly in your home they recommend not feeding it because you might end up making one of them sick. We also have to keep in mind yorkies have long hair that will get into it so unless you are washing them with soap after they eat your looking at contamination that way as well. Did you check out balanceit.com? Those recipes are made by vet nutritionists and they sell and tell you how much of the supplement to put in. If you want to go home cooked that's probably they best way to go.

Speaking of that, Miss Chewie would love to thank you, lol. By "thank" I mean do that little soft talk back growl sounds she makes and replace thanks with I'm mad at you. I don't like "stank" beard so she already gets wiped down, and she's groomed and bathed regularly. Bathed, kept free of any danglies, etc.

She also only drinks fresh cold water, and since it was a hassle to get her to drink, it's a small price to pay. However, when she gets that marrow I now THOROUGHLY wash her beard, No puppy wipes soap and water. Now she's figured out that not only it's a new thing, she now gets it's the marrow, so she refused last time I took it out.

I told her, hey, Taylor said I had to! It's yucky if you drink the marrow later. She did her head cocked to the side look and then gave me straight up bunny rabbit ears. Straight up ears means Chewie is NOT a happy camper. I thought I'd pass that along, hehe.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I'm sure I'm going to get flack for speaking out against raw but I just want to share what I have learned in my vet assistant classes. When a dog eats raw and then goes to drink water the raw food bits that are left in their mouth will go into the water and then be left there to grow bacteria. Any room temperature meat will and can grow bacteria. Most vets are generally against it because of the contamination factor and that most of the time its not balanced. Dogs can and dog get salmonella. If you have children or elderly in your home they recommend not feeding it because you might end up making one of them sick. We also have to keep in mind yorkies have long hair that will get into it so unless you are washing them with soap after they eat your looking at contamination that way as well. Did you check out balanceit.com? Those recipes are made by vet nutritionists and they sell and tell you how much of the supplement to put in. If you want to go home cooked that's probably they best way to go.

Im checking it but yeah, the foods would have to be boiled.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

My girl loves EVERYTHING lol more so as she gets older. We have done broccoli, squash, potato, sweet potato, apple, strawberry, blueberry, banana, carrots, peas, green beans uhh that's all I can come up with right now. She takes some medicine that makes her tummy a bit upset if she doesn't eat so she was getting a handful of chicken in the am and pm with her meds. When we were trying to figure out what food she is allergic too we did duck, rabbit and and beef. Duck was ok for awhile but it stinks and well rabbit is kinda expensive and well just disturbing to look at. I am now giving fresh pet (found in the coolers at the pet store) for her little handful of stuff because I was worried about how much she was getting. Cheerios make great treats too.

Cheerios sounds bad to me... I mean its like frosted flakes...

Duck I am not sure if it smells or not as for rabbit. Not so expensive if you or her catch the ones in your yard. (joking).

I guess it goes back to kibble too... Just dont like the idea that it may someday be contaminated and you cant make them pay can you?

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

No not a paid site. Regular chocolate takes a lot to make them sick its dark chocolate and bakers chocolate that it takes very little of. Also be careful with sugar free gum.

Well good thing I hate chocolate and gum.

[JennaPenny]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Cheerios sounds bad to me... I mean its like frosted flakes...

Duck I am not sure if it smells or not as for rabbit. Not so expensive if you or her catch the ones in your yard. (joking).

I guess it goes back to kibble too... Just dont like the idea that it may someday be contaminated and you cant make them pay can you?

Nylabone would have paid chewie's vet visit, I know because I took my complaint way up the line. they offered. Thankfully she was okay. They STILL check on her to this day very month or so with an email. I'm guessing contamination would be serious enough- heh. I was one of the receivers of that Peanut butter debauchery years back. I was VERY sick, and some people died from it. I would have been able to be compensated had we jumped on the band wagon.

Any way-cheerios are very definitely not bad to give them as snacks. At all. They are loaded with good stuff- just for treats. I'd pick up the box of plain cheerios and put it up against one of the commercial snacks. You'd be surprised.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

Nylabone would have paid chewie's vet visit, I know because I took my complaint way up the line. they offered. Thankfully she was okay. They STILL check on her to this day very month or so with an email. I'm guessing contamination would be serious enough- heh. I was one of the receivers of that Peanut butter debauchery years back. I was VERY sick, and some people died from it. I would have been able to be compensated had we jumped on the band wagon.

Any way-cheerios are very definitely not bad to give them as snacks. At all. They are loaded with good stuff- just for treats. I'd pick up the box of plain cheerios and put it up against one of the commercial snacks. You'd be surprised.

You got sick from peanut butter? This kind of crap scares me. I would had sued them for most I could.

As for nylabone I don't trust that anymore. But they along other corporations should do something about their process. Just because they care doesn't always mean they will do something to fix it. IDK

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

Speaking of that, Miss Chewie would love to thank you, lol. By "thank" I mean do that little soft talk back growl sounds she makes and replace thanks with I'm mad at you. I don't like "stank" beard so she already gets wiped down, and she's groomed and bathed regularly. Bathed, kept free of any danglies, etc.

She also only drinks fresh cold water, and since it was a hassle to get her to drink, it's a small price to pay. However, when she gets that marrow I now THOROUGHLY wash her beard, No puppy wipes soap and water. Now she's figured out that not only it's a new thing, she now gets it's the marrow, so she refused last time I took it out.

I told her, hey, Taylor said I had to! It's yucky if you drink the marrow later. She did her head cocked to the side look and then gave me straight up bunny rabbit ears. Straight up ears means Chewie is NOT a happy camper. I thought I'd pass that along, hehe.

Lol yeah the dogs I worked with at my vet weren't happy with me either.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Cheerios sounds bad to me... I mean its like frosted flakes...

Duck I am not sure if it smells or not as for rabbit. Not so expensive if you or her catch the ones in your yard. (joking).

I guess it goes back to kibble too... Just dont like the idea that it may someday be contaminated and you cant make them pay can you?

The sad thing is a few years ago Callie was acting weird in the back yard (she is 18 pounds so I let her go out by herself) when I checked on her and I went out in the yard and there was a dead rabbit now our yard is fenced in so I told myself she gave it a heart attack chasing it and it couldn't get out but my dad feels she grabbed it and shook it. I don't think you can sue them maybe you can but I'm not sure.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The sad thing is a few years ago Callie was acting weird in the back yard (she is 18 pounds so I let her go out by herself) when I checked on her and I went out in the yard and there was a dead rabbit now our yard is fenced in so I told myself she gave it a heart attack chasing it and it couldn't get out but my dad feels she grabbed it and shook it. I don't think you can sue them maybe you can but I'm not sure.

Mmm I wouldn't sit idly by while they just get away with their screw ups. If a dog food company screws up nothing much comes out of it.

Now if food company intended for human consumption was tainted/messed up you can bet that they would get their butts sued and reputation would be damaged.

As for the rabbit, if it's dead the least you or he could do would be to skin the rabbit, clean it, cook the meat and feed it to the dog.

I don't think burying it or throwing it out is a good idea.

Guess I was taught to treat animals with respect even after death and if you kill an animal(obviously not a pet) then make sure to use its meats.

Because while people may not like to think about it, that could had been a meal for another predator or in different circumstances, for the dog.

Maybe it's silly of me. Just idk, we had a dog when I was a kid, and when the dog killed a stray chicken(we lived in farm lands) or some wild animal we always would clean it up, cook it and feed it to them. Obviously if the chicken was someone elses' we'd pay them for the chicken out of courtesy.

Our dog wasn't you know free roaming, but within our fenced yard we'd still have some animals come by.

How the chicken managed to get in our yard- we do not know. But even know our neighbors behind us have chickens and one of them managed to get over our 7 foot tall fence. But that is probably because they have this playground where it probably jumped from there.

Still, we never let things like that go to waste. As long as it's not something like a mouse, rat, or something that's an obvious pathogen for diseases. If you wouldn't want it, maybe put the animal in a wooded area where there are other predators-- though not sure if that's really a good idea.

But yes your dad is probably right, probably shook it. Lagomorphs do have a rather delicate bone structure. Even when you're holding a rabbit, they can accidentally kill themselves if they start squirming too much because their spines can break. A few feet fall is enough to kill them as well. If the dog was chasing it and the rabbit was frantic enough it could die from a possible heart attack.

Many things can kill a rabbit, even what it eats can be it's own killer.

Again it's probably silly of me to say all of this. Just I grew up around people that held life with utmost respect. I do feel bad for the rabbit, if he died from being shook up that would be a bad way to go. I'd prefer to think he'd go from a heart attack as opposed to being shook repeatedly and possibly experience a heart attack at the same time.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Mmm I wouldn't sit idly by while they just get away with their screw ups. If a dog food company screws up nothing much comes out of it.

Now if food company intended for human consumption was tainted/messed up you can bet that they would get their butts sued and reputation would be damaged.

As for the rabbit, if it's dead the least you or he could do would be to skin the rabbit, clean it, cook the meat and feed it to the dog.

I don't think burying it or throwing it out is a good idea.

Guess I was taught to treat animals with respect even after death and if you kill an animal(obviously not a pet) then make sure to use its meats.

Because while people may not like to think about it, that could had been a meal for another predator or in different circumstances, for the dog.

Maybe it's silly of me. Just idk, we had a dog when I was a kid, and when the dog killed a stray chicken(we lived in farm lands) or some wild animal we always would clean it up, cook it and feed it to them. Obviously if the chicken was someone elses' we'd pay them for the chicken out of courtesy.

Our dog wasn't you know free roaming, but within our fenced yard we'd still have some animals come by.

How the chicken managed to get in our yard- we do not know. But even know our neighbors behind us have chickens and one of them managed to get over our 7 foot tall fence. But that is probably because they have this playground where it probably jumped from there.

Still, we never let things like that go to waste. As long as it's not something like a mouse, rat, or something that's an obvious pathogen for diseases. If you wouldn't want it, maybe put the animal in a wooded area where there are other predators-- though not sure if that's really a good idea.

But yes your dad is probably right, probably shook it. Lagomorphs do have a rather delicate bone structure. Even when you're holding a rabbit, they can accidentally kill themselves if they start squirming too much because their spines can break. A few feet fall is enough to kill them as well. If the dog was chasing it and the rabbit was frantic enough it could die from a possible heart attack.

Many things can kill a rabbit, even what it eats can be it's own killer.

Again it's probably silly of me to say all of this. Just I grew up around people that held life with utmost respect. I do feel bad for the rabbit, if he died from being shook up that would be a bad way to go. I'd prefer to think he'd go from a heart attack as opposed to being shook repeatedly and possibly experience a heart attack at the same time.

My uncle before he lost his legs and then his son used to hunt a lot now just his son does it but they use all the parts possible. I'm really only a fan of hunting if you do it that way. We had a deer wonder onto our property after getting hit and it died and seeing the circle of life of the wild was actually interesting. Luckily it was at the very back of our 3 acres so no smell or anything. We have an eagle that lives near and he stopped buy as well as some buzzards and hawks, even the neighborhood cats got in on that. I would love if the company's had to take responsibility but I think most dog food recalls are voluntary so they worry they won't call them if they get in big trouble I guess, I'm not really sure.