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Old 03-20-2017, 07:26 AM   #1
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Ok, so now I took him this morning to get his first round of shots. I guess it's Distemper and Pavo. He also had Heartworm and Frontline on spine as they normally would do. But anyone else on the fence about Frontline? I will never give my dog the Lespo or whatever vaccine, and I will never board him so no need for Kennel Cough. Due Rabies in two weeks.
I also hear that Heartworm is over rated in small dogs and they don't need it. But don't yell at me if they do.
I need an eye exam today so I will take him with me in his pet carrier. Otherwise he'll be left in cage and I JUST CAN'T DO THAT YET. I'm sure he'll be crying. He cries in his cute little car seat and I don't know why. Try to ignore him, difficult. Also, buying carrots today but can someone tell me what store bought treats have the closest ingredients to natural foods and very soft? Thank you.

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One thing I forgot to mention is the Vet couldn't find his testicles....
Do they drop at all at a certain tim? Hope he's alright.
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Every dog needs heartworm prevention. Heartworms are transmitted through mosquitoes. The mosquitoes bite you dog an infect them with microflera the heartworm prevention kills that microflera but if you don't do that monthly the microflera will grow into worms in your dogs heart and the treatment when it gets that far along costs a lot of money and can kill your dog and if it doesn't it can leave them with lasting heart issues. What did they give your for heartworms? If your going to be taking him lots of places I would get the bordatella (kennel cough) because if he gets it, it can last well over a month and require multiple rounds of antibiotics. Mine have gotten if every year and my oldest will be 10 in a month and have never had any issues with it. We do the nasal one. Mine like the freeze dried liver treats at petco or petsmart they come in a tub and we cut them smaller and they love them. His testicles could still drop but they might not which will make neutering him a little harder but really isn't to big of a deal. A lot of doctors offices aren't going to be happy with a dog coming in so you need to be prepared for that. It is also better to get him used to staying alone now then when he is older and I know this first hand. I'm not a fan of topicals like frontline because my girl does not handle them well so I use nexguard.
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Every dog needs heartworm prevention. Heartworms are transmitted through mosquitoes. The mosquitoes bite you dog an infect them with microflera the heartworm prevention kills that microflera but if you don't do that monthly the microflera will grow into worms in your dogs heart and the treatment when it gets that far along costs a lot of money and can kill your dog and if it doesn't it can leave them with lasting heart issues. What did they give your for heartworms? If your going to be taking him lots of places I would get the bordatella (kennel cough) because if he gets it, it can last well over a month and require multiple rounds of antibiotics. Mine have gotten if every year and my oldest will be 10 in a month and have never had any issues with it. We do the nasal one. Mine like the freeze dried liver treats at petco or petsmart they come in a tub and we cut them smaller and they love them. His testicles could still drop but they might not which will make neutering him a little harder but really isn't to big of a deal. A lot of doctors offices aren't going to be happy with a dog coming in so you need to be prepared for that. It is also better to get him used to staying alone now then when he is older and I know this first hand. I'm not a fan of topicals like frontline because my girl does not handle them well so I use nexguard.
Kennel Cough Vaccine is over rated.
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Kennel Cough Vaccine is over rated.
Why would you say that? You seem to have thought that with heartworms so I'm wondering what your source or reason for feeling that way is.
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Why would you say that? You seem to have thought that with heartworms so I'm wondering what your source or reason for feeling that way is.
Because this vaccine is unable to prevent kennel cough. It can even produce kennel cough like symptoms. The WSACA Guidelines say, "Transient (3-10 days) coughing, sneezing, or nasal discharge may occur in a percentage of vaccinates."
It can also cause a serious anaphylactoid reaction. Look it up you won't like it.
In general if they have good ventilation and practice good hygiene, Kennel cough shouldn't be an issue.
In contrast other dogs are never vaccinated for Kennel cough and disease is not seen. CPI immunity lasts at least three years when given intransally, and CAV-2 immunity lasts a minimum of 7 years.
Two renowned vets have said they generally DO NOT recommend kennel cough vaccines unless dogs are staying in a boarding facility even then they said find a facility that doesn't require them.

I've owned other dogs for 12-15 years.
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Because this vaccine is unable to prevent kennel cough. It can even produce kennel cough like symptoms. The WSACA Guidelines say, "Transient (3-10 days) coughing, sneezing, or nasal discharge may occur in a percentage of vaccinates."
It can also cause a serious anaphylactoid reaction. Look it up you won't like it.
In general if they have good ventilation and practice good hygiene, Kennel cough shouldn't be an issue.
In contrast other dogs are never vaccinated for Kennel cough and disease is not seen. CPI immunity lasts at least three years when given intransally, and CAV-2 immunity lasts a minimum of 7 years.
Two renowned vets have said they generally DO NOT recommend kennel cough vaccines unless dogs are staying in a boarding facility even then they said find a facility that doesn't require them.

I've owned other dogs for 12-15 years.
I don't need to look it up I'm in class to become a vet assistant. Never had any issues with it but have known lots of dogs who were not vaccinated and got it.
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I don't need to look it up I'm in class to become a vet assistant. Never had any issues with it but have known lots of dogs who were not vaccinated and got it.
Well since Vets want to give it for profit it isn't necessary as stated above. Look it up. We all are educated in one way or another. You see sometimes certain shots are not necessary. That's it end of story.
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I don't like the kennel cough vaccine, either. It doesn't cover every strain and Jackson got the nasal vaccine twice (the mist - which is different from the shot) and GOT kennel cough (or some symptoms) from it both times (and yes, it was weeks after the vaccine so it wasn't like he contracted it, got the vaccine and then got sick so I blamed the vaccine).

Anywho, I just don't like it. Kennel cough is a pain in the butt but I've found that Jackson has built up an immunity to it on his own because he's around so many dogs. I work at a doggy daycare and he and Lola often come. KC is like a human cold, basically.

Bordatella is over-rated IMO but it's a lifestyle choice. Many kennels and daycares require it. I use a mobile groomer who does not. I won't get it any more.

That said, I am pretty "minimalist" with a lot of things, but heartworm medication is very important. There are very few places that you shouldn't give it year round. I usually spread it out to every 45 days in the winter (they are proven to work this long - but the companies know it's easier to remember to give a medication once a month). In the warmer months, I just do it every 30 days. Speak to your vet about it, of course. Doing every 30 days is fine though. The medicine is well tested and proven very safe. I'd rather give the preventative than deal with heartworms, ever.

Flea/tick medicine (such as Frontline) I do NOT give year round. I've been using Nexgard and more recently Simparica. I usually do it like April - October, depends on the weather though.
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Well since Vets want to give it for profit it isn't necessary as stated above. Look it up. We all are educated in one way or another. You see sometimes certain shots are not necessary. That's it end of story.
Most vets are not in it for profits, I'm guessing you have had some bad vet experiences. Vets really don't make that much money if you look at it. Shots are not as black and white as that it depends on a lot of stuff.
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I don't like the kennel cough vaccine, either. It doesn't cover every strain and Jackson got the nasal vaccine twice (the mist - which is different from the shot) and GOT kennel cough (or some symptoms) from it both times (and yes, it was weeks after the vaccine so it wasn't like he contracted it, got the vaccine and then got sick so I blamed the vaccine).

Anywho, I just don't like it. Kennel cough is a pain in the butt but I've found that Jackson has built up an immunity to it on his own because he's around so many dogs. I work at a doggy daycare and he and Lola often come. KC is like a human cold, basically.

Bordatella is over-rated IMO but it's a lifestyle choice. Many kennels and daycares require it. I use a mobile groomer who does not. I won't get it any more.

That said, I am pretty "minimalist" with a lot of things, but heartworm medication is very important. There are very few places that you shouldn't give it year round. I usually spread it out to every 45 days in the winter (they are proven to work this long - but the companies know it's easier to remember to give a medication once a month). In the warmer months, I just do it every 30 days. Speak to your vet about it, of course. Doing every 30 days is fine though. The medicine is well tested and proven very safe. I'd rather give the preventative than deal with heartworms, ever.

Flea/tick medicine (such as Frontline) I do NOT give year round. I've been using Nexgard and more recently Simparica. I usually do it like April - October, depends on the weather though.
I think it's not so black and white with deciding to get bordatella. Callie will be 10 in a month and has gotten it every year with no issues ever. Sammy got it every year we had him with no issues. Joey is due for his second one and he didn't have any issues with it. The Lyme vaccine is being very recommended around here and Joey had a bad reaction to both Lyme shots so I will not be getting that for him ever again. Vaccines almost as hot a topic as food lol.
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I wouldn't get kennel cough either...I'm with Brit on that.

Kennel Cough is basically the name for the common cold in dogs - there are *hundreds* of strains. The vaccine vaccinates for, I think, 7 of them (lol). I've never gotten it in any of my animals, ever. Nor have they ever contracted KC naturally. If they did, I'm quite sure they could get over it since they're healthy.

As far as heartworm though - GET IT. Seriously. Even when incidence and prevalence appears relatively low - bam, it's there anyway. And heartworm is treatment for the disease is *not* something you ever, ever want to put your beloved kiddo thru . You don't have to get it from the vet either, if you're okay doing that. There are other options that are way more affordable.

Why are you getting rabies so young, btw? I would wait.
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I wouldn't get kennel cough either...I'm with Brit on that.

Kennel Cough is basically the name for the common cold in dogs - there are *hundreds* of strains. The vaccine vaccinates for, I think, 7 of them (lol). I've never gotten it in any of my animals, ever. Nor have they ever contracted KC naturally. If they did, I'm quite sure they could get over it since they're healthy.

As far as heartworm though - GET IT. Seriously. Even when incidence and prevalence appears relatively low - bam, it's there anyway. And heartworm is treatment for the disease is *not* something you ever, ever want to put your beloved kiddo thru . You don't have to get it from the vet either, if you're okay doing that. There are other options that are way more affordable.

Why are you getting rabies so young, btw? I would wait.

I wondered the same thing. They said Rabies in two weeks. That would put him at 3 months old or so. Would that be right? I think my Labrador was 5 months when he got his..I forget it was long ago.
On Healthypets.mercola.com it says that there is a huge potential conflict of interest about the Heartworm. that it is an overuse of potentially toxic medications sold by Pharmeucutical giants like Bayer Healthcare, Merial, and
Pfifer. which are virtually money making machines for drug manufacturers, online retailers, veterinarians, and any other entity that can find a way to cash in.
When there's money on the table, in this case billions of dollars, your pet's health and quality of life can quickly become a secondary concern.
And BTW, Heartworm 'preventives' don't actually prevent your pet from getting worms. What they do is poison the larvae at the microfilaria (L1-L2) stage of development, causing them to die.
This information is NOT intended to minimize the need to protect your dog, but ONLY to point out the actual potential for Heartworm disease is less than you've been led to believe by financially motivated marketing campaigns designed to scare pet owners into buying 12 doses per year, year in and year out, regardless of where you live.
Florida, Texas, and the Gulf States need the 12 month preventative doses. everywhere else it should be six months. This is how all my dogs live very long lives.
For example, I don't ever take a flu shot and I'm not young. I've never had the flu.
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I wondered the same thing. They said Rabies in two weeks. That would put him at 3 months old or so. Would that be right? I think my Labrador was 5 months when he got his..I forget it was long ago.
On Healthypets.mercola.com it says that there is a huge potential conflict of interest about the Heartworm. that it is an overuse of potentially toxic medications sold by Pharmeucutical giants like Bayer Healthcare, Merial, and
Pfifer. which are virtually money making machines for drug manufacturers, online retailers, veterinarians, and any other entity that can find a way to cash in.
When there's money on the table, in this case billions of dollars, your pet's health and quality of life can quickly become a secondary concern.
And BTW, Heartworm 'preventives' don't actually prevent your pet from getting worms. What they do is poison the larvae at the microfilaria (L1-L2) stage of development, causing them to die.
This information is NOT intended to minimize the need to protect your dog, but ONLY to point out the actual potential for Heartworm disease is less than you've been led to believe by financially motivated marketing campaigns designed to scare pet owners into buying 12 doses per year, year in and year out, regardless of where you live.
Florida, Texas, and the Gulf States need the 12 month preventative doses. everywhere else it should be six months. This is how all my dogs live very long lives.
For example, I don't ever take a flu shot and I'm not young. I've never had the flu.
Add to this list of "yours", Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, need 12 month heartworm preventive med . Where there are mosquito's, there is potential risk of heartworm disease.





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I wouldn't get kennel cough either...I'm with Brit on that.

Kennel Cough is basically the name for the common cold in dogs - there are *hundreds* of strains. The vaccine vaccinates for, I think, 7 of them (lol). I've never gotten it in any of my animals, ever. Nor have they ever contracted KC naturally. If they did, I'm quite sure they could get over it since they're healthy.

As far as heartworm though - GET IT. Seriously. Even when incidence and prevalence appears relatively low - bam, it's there anyway. And heartworm is treatment for the disease is *not* something you ever, ever want to put your beloved kiddo thru . You don't have to get it from the vet either, if you're okay doing that. There are other options that are way more affordable.

Why are you getting rabies so young, btw? I would wait.
It's the same with the flu shot but I still get it
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