Wanted - VERY small girl to buy!

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I just can't buy that an undomesticated, wild animal, fish or bird with instincts to roam freely is every truly fulfilled or truly happy as it would have been living its whole life in any type of containment, especially if it is indoors, that would restrict said being beyond its naturally wild limits, often subjected to changing caregivers and lifestyles far removed from its wild kin . As far as endangered species, I can't help but bleed in my heart for the wild specimens we keep contained for their natural habitat, prod, poke, breed, study and watch for perpetuation of the species, so others can be free if the species survives. Do the ends justify the means? I think I think so right now but still wonder about how damaged an animal's actual long-term genetic and psychological health might be from all of the changing caregivers, wildly foreign objects and living/travel/relocation situations we subject them to while striving to 'save' the species. Imagine what a lovely, graceful giraffe must think about being loaded by handlers into a steel cage to travel in a van on a noisy freeway to get to an airport, loaded into a jet aircraft to fly across country to a new zoo for a 10 year lease program, after which he'll be loaded back up and returned, if he's still alive. He's genetically programmed to roam a quiet, free savanna as he lives his wild life, not deal with any of that.

Sorry to OP for highjacking your thread to wander off into another subjects but I suppose it all has to do with how we so easily seen to mistreat or mismanage our animals for whatever seems to serve human wants of the moment and whether or not it's the best or right thing for that one particular animal's health, welfare/safety, genetic/natural-instinct fulfillment and right to live as naturally as possible for its species.

Mmm don't see it the way you would see a more complex thinking species like a human or even a mammal would really understand the concept of captivity that well.

Doesn't always apply, especially to wild box turtles, because they have homing instincts (built in compass/map) but things that have been captive bred don't really know any different as it's where they were born.

As long as their needs are met, most live happy lives. Do realize for fish, reptiles and amphibians 90% probably don't make it to juvenile stages, and even less make it to adulthood... So really, for them the lack of predators, the plenty of food, correct temperatures, and proper conditions in general is like the garden of eden for them.

From my understanding is, if you never knew the outside world if you never even knew it existed it wouldn't really bother them? Because to them it's non existent? Shouldn't ever release an animal that's been in captivity for some time out into the wild, that is how animal populations become decimated by whatever illness brought with them. Have to remember that captive animals have better immunity, thus better tolerance to illness, so whatever they become more immune to, their wild counterparts could not handle. Usually wild animals are riddled with parasites, and such. I would say all wild reptiles, fish and amphibians have parasitic loads. Just they deal with it, but to add another factor on top of it would probably wipe out the half if not, whole ecosystem.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

Nope- they were red eared sliders. We took them to the vet. I kinda shortened what happened. We took them for regular, yearly, updates. She was getting calcium deprived, because he'd regularly, um, mount her, and she was at the point where she was actually laying eggs. TOO much, the vet said. Those were her egg shell fragments. At that point, along with her head being chewed up by Bambi, we put her in the herp rescue. I'll get a picture up shortly so you can see that they were definitely red eared sliders.

Turtles sometimes become aggressive even with each other, separation is a must in such cases. Calcium deprivation can also be diet based. As for the female turtle laying eggs, turtles sometimes lay infertile eggs. Problem for them is turtles can become egg bound(the egg is stuck) if not enough calcium is in their system and can get really ill...

Good that she's in a rescue though, they tend to screen new owners very thorough.

To be honest, I feel it's a really bad idea to buy a child a pet just to teach responsibility, unless of course the parent is willing to pick up the slack and take care of it after "Junior" gets bored... otherwise animal cruelty is bound to occur... Glad that you were well-informed parents who wanted the best in the animals interest as well.

To be honest, the whole child with turtle things is why there's a law in the US that no one shall sell any turtle with a shell length under 4 inches as a pet. Happened because parents long time ago when the turtle islands were a fad started buying them for the kids, the kids being dumb kids would put the turtles in their mouths(why? I don't know kids do plenty of "kid" things) and they would get sick with salmonella and blame it on the turtle rather than the irresponsible parent who taught a kid that an animal is a toy rather than a living being to treat with care and respect. So there passed the law. Don't hate the law though, still doesn't keep turtle out of reach out of irresponsible owners sadly.


Whether it's a dog, or a turtle, a rabbit, a fish or a hermit crab... animals should be treated with our utmost care and respect and should not be used as our tools...

[Jinger]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

My Jilly was a 3 lb. tiny and though I loved her fiercely and with every fiber of my heart, the stress & strain of caring for a very tiny dog with the attendant medical issues they usually have was 24/7/365. She was a tiny angel - so perfect and cute beyond belief with a personality to die for! She tilted her head just so to clutch your heart with cuteness! She was a teeny tornado, fearing nothing, ruling her world with black, snapping little eyes & tiny perfect, perked ears, wee feet that stamped to get her way. There was nothing more adorable or dearer on earth than she! And she was a joy to live with, a joy to just look at, to live with and love. I wouldn't trade her for the whole world.

But tiny, fragile little Jilly had a lifetime of medical problems and suffering, w/many, many vet, vet ER and hospital visits & urgent, fearful vet calls. I suffered right along with her, somehow almost felt her every discomfort as acutely as she, spent many, many long days and nights seeing her through scary bouts of illness at home or at the ER vet clinic. Out for a walk, blocks from our home, she was violently attacked by an off-leash Dalmatian dog who ran from out of no-where, suffered many bites, had to have surgical repair and 6 weeks of rehab. She was so tiny the Dalmatian just picked her whole body up in his mouth before I could fight him off. He followed us to the end of the block, trying to get at her again as she had seizures in my arms almost all the way home. Never know how I drove to the vet clinic while trying to calm my traumatized little baby.

She had congenital & acute GI issues which manifested throughout her life all too frequently, saw many specialists, took many, many tests and a lot of medicine over the years. Falling off things she managed to get onto was and breaking herself was a constant fear of mine so she was NEVER allowed out of my sight. She almost choked to death after swallowing a chewie end - throat so tiny it stuck and immediately swelled in her minuscule pharynx, cutting off all but a trickle of air. Gasping & fighting desperately for air, she went into a panicked frenzy, digging at her face with her claws. I had to gather her up w/my car keys and somehow breathe for her after she went limp as I was driving one-handed in wild panic to the vet in the night, fearing she had just died in my arms. I don't know how we made it or she didn't die that night. We spent most of yet another night at the vet's.

When 3 weeks before Christmas her tiny shoulder joint finally gave out from all the jumping dogs that tiny dogs must do, even on their own doggie steps, it fractured/dislocated and failed to heal after 3 weeks of horrible casting, the vets and I concluded she'd been through enough to last a lifetime and at the age of 13 w/arthritis and many other medical problems, she wasn't a candidate for amputation or its rehab. She had enough problems without trying to learn how to walk all over again at her age with only 3 legs. I couldn't bear the thought of that tiny angel struggling anymore. I told her goodbye late on Christmas Eve. I couldn't lose my precious little Jilly....but I did. It broke me. I didn't want another dog for years.

Anyone who deliberately breeds dogs too small to comfortably and safely live a normal dog's life should be run out of the human race. They do not care a whit about the life the little dog has to try to live or that of the people who love it more than life. Please either rescue or reward only breeders who breed responsibly for healthy dogs with your next dog purchase.

I'm so sorry your precious Jilly had such rough times, and that you had to say goodbye. Reminds me so much of my Zoe, and all that she goes through. Brought tears to my eyes. I question how anyone who reads about these cases, and chooses to ignore the possible ramifications of having a dog this small AND encourages the breeding of such by seeking one out, isn't thinking at all of the dog itself. Makes my heart hurt.

Sweet little angels, our tiny girls.

[JennaPenny]

Originally Posted by Jinger

I'm so sorry your precious Jilly had such rough times, and that you had to say goodbye. Reminds me so much of my Zoe, and all that she goes through. Brought tears to my eyes. I question how anyone who reads about these cases, and chooses to ignore the possible ramifications of having a dog this small AND encourages the breeding of such by seeking one out, isn't thinking at all of the dog itself. Makes my heart hurt.

Sweet little angels, our tiny girls.

I've spoken to the poster a few times. She's very intelligent and open to anything that might make the puppy healthy. I think she's fighting an uphill battle, but trying to do the right thing. We think Malibu, and we see dogs dressed up as an accessory. I get that suddenly we're all up in arms, especially having a bond with our yorkie. It makes us even more upset. Heck, there is a new neighbor that has a yorkie even smaller than my four pounder, and being on here? I KNOW it's wrong, and, it just looks so horrible from my educated perspective. However, that's just it. WE have these guys, WE spend time reading and doing our best. New yorkie owners are new and learning. It was only by the grace of God I didn't go with the original breeder who promised me a puppy full grown- under 4 pounds. I read up, Husband read up, and we decided not to. Chewie was unexpected. Her brown eyes met mine.. and.. I was lost. I went there to see the morkie puppies and pick one out, and to look at the yorkie-poo. I had bonded with a little guy in the pet store that was scraggly and people just left him. Husband put his foot down and we fought. I had to leave him there.
When I saw Chewie, and my heart clenched in *that* way, nothing would dissuade me. I thank God I wasn't educated at that point, because I wouldn't have my baby. She was sad. SO sad. She was sick, and she was frightened. Her litter mates were gone- both snatched up the day prior. She had been shipped and this was her second home. She had been treated like a thing. Not a living, breathing, being.
Please look at this from another perspective. This woman is taking a baby who has been bred, I know, badly, and taking CARE of her/him. She and he will give this guy a good life. That has to count for something.

[SirTeddykins]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

I've spoken to the poster a few times. She's very intelligent and open to anything that might make the puppy healthy. I think she's fighting an uphill battle, but trying to do the right thing. We think Malibu, and we see dogs dressed up as an accessory. I get that suddenly we're all up in arms, especially having a bond with our yorkie. It makes us even more upset. Heck, there is a new neighbor that has a yorkie even smaller than my four pounder, and being on here? I KNOW it's wrong, and, it just looks so horrible from my educated perspective. However, that's just it. WE have these guys, WE spend time reading and doing our best. New yorkie owners are new and learning. It was only by the grace of God I didn't go with the original breeder who promised me a puppy full grown- under 4 pounds. I read up, Husband read up, and we decided not to. Chewie was unexpected. Her brown eyes met mine.. and.. I was lost. I went there to see the morkie puppies and pick one out, and to look at the yorkie-poo. I had bonded with a little guy in the pet store that was scraggly and people just left him. Husband put his foot down and we fought. I had to leave him there.
When I saw Chewie, and my heart clenched in *that* way, nothing would dissuade me. I thank God I wasn't educated at that point, because I wouldn't have my baby. She was sad. SO sad. She was sick, and she was frightened. Her litter mates were gone- both snatched up the day prior. She had been shipped and this was her second home. She had been treated like a thing. Not a living, breathing, being.
Please look at this from another perspective. This woman is taking a baby who has been bred, I know, badly, and taking CARE of her/him. She and he will give this guy a good life. That has to count for something.

Whilst I get what you're saying, the number one thing those looking for a puppy are told to NOT do is BUY from a puppy mill on the basis that you're going to take it out of its situation and give it a good home by improving its lifestyle. All that happens is that INDIVIDUAL puppy gets a great life and the mom keeps popping out puppies until she gets sick and/or dies and then her puppies, if they're lucky enough to live, are either sold to people who don't care as they've bought them to breed or they are used by the original puppy mill breeder to increase production.

I believe the poster is as intelligent as anyone else but being stubborn undermines intellect when one refuses to be open in favor of being 'right' even when wrong.

I try to back off this thread but what she's doing and the way she's going about it is WRONG and if we say anything but the truth about this we are enabling others to think they are right in THEIR situation to benefit themselves as individuals and, thus, being part of and widening the overall issue which is the support of puppy mills and all that means e.g. abused mothers, ill bred puppies, sick and dying 'stock' etc. I just can't do it no matter how nice it appears to not be. I care more about these dogs than someone's feelings. Dogs can't speak for themselves so rely on us to be their voice.

[canana]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

I've spoken to the poster a few times. She's very intelligent and open to anything that might make the puppy healthy. I think she's fighting an uphill battle, but trying to do the right thing. We think Malibu, and we see dogs dressed up as an accessory. I get that suddenly we're all up in arms, especially having a bond with our yorkie. It makes us even more upset. Heck, there is a new neighbor that has a yorkie even smaller than my four pounder, and being on here? I KNOW it's wrong, and, it just looks so horrible from my educated perspective. However, that's just it. WE have these guys, WE spend time reading and doing our best. New yorkie owners are new and learning. It was only by the grace of God I didn't go with the original breeder who promised me a puppy full grown- under 4 pounds. I read up, Husband read up, and we decided not to. Chewie was unexpected. Her brown eyes met mine.. and.. I was lost. I went there to see the morkie puppies and pick one out, and to look at the yorkie-poo. I had bonded with a little guy in the pet store that was scraggly and people just left him. Husband put his foot down and we fought. I had to leave him there.
When I saw Chewie, and my heart clenched in *that* way, nothing would dissuade me. I thank God I wasn't educated at that point, because I wouldn't have my baby. She was sad. SO sad. She was sick, and she was frightened. Her litter mates were gone- both snatched up the day prior. She had been shipped and this was her second home. She had been treated like a thing. Not a living, breathing, being.
Please look at this from another perspective. This woman is taking a baby who has been bred, I know, badly, and taking CARE of her/him. She and he will give this guy a good life. That has to count for something.

I can understand what you're saying. It's kind of you to try to understand from the other perspective. But I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

Ultimately all poorly bred dogs and all puppy mill dogs needs 'saving'. It is my very strong belief that by using the 'saving them' mentality, one would essentially be indirectly be supporting puppy mills and irresponsible breeders, no matter what one's intentions are.

It's not easy to boycott puppy mills and irresponsible breeders. It's not easy to walk away from a sad puppy who needs helping. But the only way to stop them is to create awareness and to not support them in every way possible. The puppy mill trade is about supply and demand. We should be eliminating the demand for these puppies.

It's also very important to recognize how many "breeders" source their puppies from puppy mills and put up a clean-family-home facade to make a living. Things are not always as they seem.

That's why the only right thing to do is to do proper research and buy from a responsible reputable breeder, or adopt from a rescue organization, and to always spay and neuter all pet dogs.

[JennaPenny]

Originally Posted by SirTeddykins

Whilst I get what you're saying, the number one thing those looking for a puppy are told to NOT do is BUY from a puppy mill on the basis that you're going to take it out of its situation and give it a good home by improving its lifestyle. All that happens is that INDIVIDUAL puppy gets a great life and the mom keeps popping out puppies until she gets sick and/or dies and then her puppies, if they're lucky enough to live, are either sold to people who don't care as they've bought them to breed or they are used by the original puppy mill breeder to increase production.

I believe the poster is as intelligent as anyone else but being stubborn undermines intellect when one refuses to be open in favor of being 'right' even when wrong.

I try to back off this thread but what she's doing and the way she's going about it is WRONG and if we say anything but the truth about this we are enabling others to think they are right in THEIR situation to benefit themselves as individuals and, thus, being part of and widening the overall issue which is the support of puppy mills and all that means e.g. abused mothers, ill bred puppies, sick and dying 'stock' etc. I just can't do it no matter how nice it appears to not be. I care more about these dogs than someone's feelings. Dogs can't speak for themselves so rely on us to be their voice.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I have said you ladies and gents are passionate, and you very much mean well and want what's best for them. I linked her to Lady Jane's site as well just so I could show her one example understand EXACTLY why there is hostility.

This isn't like this one idiot that lives a few doors down from me- with his mixed half teacup 5 k puppy mill b.s. The guy who plunked down 5k to a backyard breeder and had a "half teacup" that ended up being TWENTY TWO POUNDS. I've argued with him, and I'll admit I've gotten nasty. I at least know where my dog has come from, and again, by the grace of God, it was NOT a backyard breeder. It could have been. Your information is wonderful. I just think in these situations, when someone is up against a significant other, it's best to just step down. She's really trying. He'll either buy them with her, or without her I'm trying very hard to point it to the positive side of things.

[canana]

Originally Posted by JennaPenny

I'm not saying you're wrong. I have said you ladies and gents are passionate, and you very much mean well and want what's best for them. I linked her to Lady Jane's site as well just so I could show her one example understand EXACTLY why there is hostility.

This isn't like this one idiot that lives a few doors down from me- with his mixed half teacup 5 k puppy mill b.s. The guy who plunked down 5k to a backyard breeder and had a "half teacup" that ended up being TWENTY TWO POUNDS. I've argued with him, and I'll admit I've gotten nasty. I at least know where my dog has come from, and again, by the grace of God, it was NOT a backyard breeder. It could have been. Your information is wonderful. I just think in these situations, when someone is up against a significant other, it's best to just step down. She's really trying. He'll either buy them with her, or without her I'm trying very hard to point it to the positive side of things.

My additional two cents :

First image - for all people, men and women; but particularly for women in relationships who experience gaslighting and are afraid to speak up - it happens more often that we'd like to believe.
Second - standing up for others, such as dogs who cannot speak for themselves.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

Mmm don't see it the way you would see a more complex thinking species like a human or even a mammal would really understand the concept of captivity that well.

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From my understanding is, if you never knew the outside world if you never even knew it existed it wouldn't really bother them? Because to them it's non existent?

Catching up on this thread.

What really stood out to me was bolded, above. I think that's where we humans trip ourselves up - thinking that we can *think* like an animal would and then assume things about the captivity we force upon them.

We can't think like animals. So we should assume that tighter captivity for them is totally against their nature, rather than assuming it's something better for them.

An analogy: let's starve a human child of love. If the child never knew love existed - if it was non-existent to them...then should we just assume they just don't need it, want it, long for it (even if they can't define what "it" is?)....? I don't think so, personally. I think that every creature has instincts and needs that it's born with - both due to nature and nurture. Whether animal or human, severely limiting fulfillment of needs is unhealthy (mentally, physically) to that living being.

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Catching up on this thread.

What really stood out to me was bolded, above. I think that's where we humans trip ourselves up - thinking that we can *think* like an animal would and then assume things about the captivity we force upon them.

We can't think like animals. So we should assume that tighter captivity for them is totally against their nature, rather than assuming it's something better for them.

An analogy: let's starve a human child of love. If the child never knew love existed - if it was non-existent to them...then should we just assume they just don't need it, want it, long for it (even if they can't define what "it" is?)....? I don't think so, personally. I think that every creature has instincts and needs that it's born with - both due to nature and nurture. Whether animal or human, severely limiting fulfillment of needs is unhealthy (mentally, physically) to that living being.

True, I get what you're saying. I just don't think -some- animals even care. Specific ones though. Specifically speaking about already sedentary animals that will literary stay in the same spot for hours, on end without any movement. Like tarantulas, pac man frogs, maybe snakes, certain toads, a few species of turtles(but still in a big enclosure).

I am not saying cram them into a tiny space either, just saying it's all relative for certain things.

Some animals don't even have that evolved of a brain to even notice it... Do you think a tarantula knows what an enclosure is?

[FlyingNimbus]

Originally Posted by FlyingNimbus

True, I get what you're saying. I just don't think -some- animals even care. Specific ones though. Specifically speaking about already sedentary animals that will literary stay in the same spot for hours, on end without any movement. Like tarantulas, pac man frogs, maybe snakes, certain toads, a few species of turtles(but still in a big enclosure).

I am not saying cram them into a tiny space either, just saying it's all relative for certain things.

Some animals don't even have that evolved of a brain to even notice it... Do you think a tarantula knows what an enclosure is?

I'd like to add an example of animals that lack an evolved understanding... Let's take crickets for instance. Crickets, can drown in a tiny pool of water even if it just covered their feet...

All of it is philosophical, and you're right one can't really be certain what goes in the mind of even the tiniest of insect... But that notion you have is essentially rid of most of the pet industry, save for dogs, cats, equines, bovines... Which not a bad idea, but some animals don't mind captivity to my understanding. A caged mouse doesn't seem anymore stressed than a wild rodent. In fact, a wild rodent is more wary than a captive bred one... many dangers are likely to fall on a wild rodent than a captive bred one.


But let's look at fish. There's plenty of forums out there for fish, some more successful and the good information they deliver. A lot will agree, that a good sized aquarium isn't really a bad thing for a fish, crustacean, and to my personal opinion some amphibians.

You realize that in the wild there are niches for these specific types of animals? You won't see a bottom feeding catfish, near the top of a lake.

You won't see a beta fish in an open river, extremely large/deep pond. Betta fish/siamese fighting fish thrive in rice paddy conditions. While a bowl isn't good for a betta, I don't think sticking them in a 300 gallon aquarium would do them much good either because they will just stick to a corner trying to find food...

It all depends on the specific animal, heck there are even fish which should never be in an aquarium of -any- size. One prime example would be migratory fish like the salmon, salt water sharks, etc.

There are things I am not opposed to seeing in a special aquarium of a larger size-- such as jellyfish(a perfectly rounded aquarium with no corners for it to get stuck in)... I am not opposed to seeing fancy goldfish in an aquarium, nor betta fish, nor certain cichlids, small fish like guppies tetras barbs etc, catfish(size dependent), african clawed frogs(my favorite aquatics), axolotls, snails, crabs(again depends), crayfish, heck even a lobster(if the right set up is made for it), because a lot of these fish like to inhabit specific niches that if fullfilled would be fine kept.


Even pondfish I don't mind in large aquariums(larger than your average large aquarium). There are people who have really big rooms, a lot of money to blow, a lot of time to spare and build really massive aquariums and by massive, I don't mean what you would think is massive-- I do mean massive as in the kind you would see belong in those "aquarium"(the place)...

A lot of those who keep such large aquariums have a lot of knowledge on what they're doing because they either study it as a major or they study it on their spare time by doing as much research as possible.


If the space is right, then for me it's okay to keep it- but again highly dependent on whether it's a migratory species, or something that just roams a lot....

I had these things called african clawed frogs, small little buggers and I put up 6 of them in a 125 gallon aquarium.... and they mostly used one portion of the aquarium and occasionally ventured to the other.

Their needs were more than exceeded. They are still alive with a friend(in the same enclosure and care), because I had them when I was younger in a different place.

My opinion is that if their needs are more than just met, and they are kept clean, safe, parasite free, acting normal as they would in the wild its okay then. It's essentially a haven for some of them.


But maybe I am wrong, who knows.

[Tiny Angels]

My little Ava is being shipped from Tx into Denver international with a Puppy Nanny. I would have made the drive if that option was not available. The airline cargo staff has to wear ear protection and if a dog has hearing so much more sensitive than ours and for such a tiny thing I just couldn't imagine it. So she will be flying all the way with her nanny. If I can afford a puppy I can afford the extra for the best care and protection.

[Ares55]

Hi everyone, I guess its time to give an update.

We have been Skyping with the new puppy every couple days and checking in on her. She's been doing great. We think we might name her Molly Boo (after Malibu) or Sugar, but we want to see her personality first and what fits her best. I've been talking with a friend in the military there and he is going to take her to the vet for us in two weeks. We decided to have her stay there longer to make sure that all of her vet checks go ok. We got the address to her location and now I'm searching for vets nearby.

We weren't able to find a puppy nanny and me traveling to Korea still seems to be a sore topic. Luckily the friend we have taking her to the vet is moving to Ohio this summer to get his PhD and he volunteered to fly with her if we paid for his flight to the states. It kind of works out for both of us because he will get to go look at housing before his actual move. We also have a mutual friend whose girlfriend is stationed there and she volunteered to fly with Molly to LAX if we paid for her flight here, and that might be cheaper for us.

I did end up finding a boy we may buy. He's from a breeder I contacted a while back who didn't have any pups available at the time but she emailed a few days ago saying she had a boy that was born. She sent photos and he's only two weeks old, so we will be waiting about four months or so before we can pick him up. We asked the breeder if we can fly out in the next two weeks to meet with her and the pup and we're waiting for a response. I won't name the breeder or their location on here, but I found her through this forum and she had positive things written about her from members who have met her so she's on the top of my list for our pup. Her pup is about $4,500 so he's just slightly under what we paid for Molly Boo.


We are set up for Molly's arrival but I'm having some difficulty choosing a bed for her. I originally wanted to build her a little tee-pee with a round bed inside but I'm not sure if little dogs like that sort of thing and if it would be warm enough. I built one for my aunt's cats and they never leave it, but cat's love anything they can hide in so that doesn't tell me much. I found a snuggle wrap on Etsy that looks comfy, and I found a bed in TJMaxx for only $10 that seems pretty similar. Do you think this kind of bed would be a good idea? It looks like a bed with a blanket on top which seems really cozy to me, but I don't know if little dogs would bother trying to snuggle inside of it. My last dog was a s**tzu-poodle and he just liked the plain old little dog beds with no top and my german shepherd used to steal it and try to squeeze into a ball on top of it. Thoughts?

[yorkiemini]

Hi! Are you looking to get a breeding pair?

[Ares55]

Originally Posted by yorkiemini

Hi! Are you looking to get a breeding pair?

No, I just prefer males. The girl we bought will be way too small to ever have pups, she would probably die if she got pregnant. I'm open to getting another girl if that's what we find, but I think it would be cute to have one of each.