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02-07-2017, 04:59 PM | #1 |
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| Nightmare on Yorkie Street Well, my Sadie had one hereditary defective knee corrected and almost died from the medication she received. She developed a bleeding ulcer and went from 4.25 lbs to 3.6 lbs in one week. Her aftercare cost more than her surgery. One month later she is finally doing better. The vet wants do do the other knee in 3 months. Why oh why is NOTHING being done about these asshat breeders that profit from doing this to puppies? Why won't the AKC act? Why won't the vets make a registry of these culprits for the public to see? I am so mad I could chew nails and spit battleships. Money, money, money....Greed, greed, greed. Sadie did NOTHING to deserve this. And no, my rant will never be over, but thanks for listening. |
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02-07-2017, 05:31 PM | #2 |
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| Wow! Really share your frustration. Poor little girl! Are you going to,do the other knee?
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02-07-2017, 05:41 PM | #3 |
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| I can't, not again. At least not for awhile. |
02-07-2017, 06:17 PM | #4 |
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| I share your frustration. I would NEVER recommend the greeder we got Max and Sasha from. I would not give either one of them up for a million dollars but their bloodline should be stopped. We have spent thousands of dollars on problems that I am sure were known about but they kept on breeding anyway because all they saw were dollar signs.
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02-07-2017, 08:14 PM | #5 |
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| Sometimes even reputable breeders have dogs with LP. Sometimes even two perfect yorkies can make a pup with LP. I'm so sorry about your experience and I'm glad she is ok now. My first yorkie I bought from what turned out to be a broker who go there pups from a puppy mill. Like 6 years ago she had issues and went to the specialist and found out it was LP and her ACl partially tore (LP puts strain on the ACL) and then two years ago she had the LP surgery on the other knee and her ACL tore a year latter so another surgery. Both she had issues with the pins. Whatching her suffer pissed me off because she is so loving and sweet. Then I found out reputable breeders will breed a dog with low grade LP.
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02-08-2017, 06:39 AM | #6 |
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| Then I found out reputable breeders will breed a dog with low grade LP. In that case, how "reputable" are they? This breeder said he dogs were free of such issues and that it was MY fault for letter her jump..... WHICH I DON'T ! |
02-08-2017, 10:04 AM | #7 | |
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And it is very true that two clear dogs can produce a pup with LP. Owners are notoriously lack in limiting jumping, not to mention proper training and socialization. I am not saying you are, but I see it all around me and all the time. I am not sure what the answer is, more studies are needed. In many large breeds we have been working over 30 years to eliminate hip dysplasia, doing the screenings et al, and only to a marginal degree of success. There are now some actual genetic tests for a couple of breeds which will help those breeders select dogs that will not throw dysplastic hips. I am so very sorry you are going through this.
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02-08-2017, 10:25 AM | #8 |
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| I'm pretty sure jumping doesn't cause it but I guess I could be wrong. There are so many things that can go wrong even with reputable breeders I am a fan of pet insurance and getting it as soon as you get the pup. All we can do is our best and try to make them as comfortable as possible.
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02-08-2017, 10:51 AM | #9 | |
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but common sense tells me that if slippery surfaces n stairs negativity impact a young pups bone maturation, then knees will not be unaffected. The knee structure is notoriously vulnerable and in youth the ligaments and tendons that hold that knee in proper anatomical relationship are soft, immature if you will. Repetitive jumping puts a huge concussive force up and through the legs. It is why in performance sports we start out very slowly with very low jumps and build up their muscles.....
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02-08-2017, 11:20 AM | #10 |
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| Well, the facts are: 1) She was diagnosed with two surgical LP's when I took her to my vet after buying her at 12 wks after breeder denial of knee problems. She continues to breed this pair and deny problems 2) She went through dog obedience with flying colors immediately 3) She was never permitted to jump It would be quite simple for a vet or AKC database to be established with records of specific breeders issues seen. No commentary necessary. Just simply listing of facts, ie : So many LP problems have been seen from this pairing. No judgement, simple documented facts. |
02-08-2017, 11:27 AM | #11 |
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| Teddy has grade 1 LP and the vet said that 99% of all small dog breeds have LP and jumping does not cause or exacerbate mild instances of LP. Additionally, the vet advised me that whilst they wouldn't recommend letting Teddy jump from stairs or the back of the couch, this was due to his size and not LP which should not get worse as a result of jumping from the couch, for example. All species, as far as I know, are prone to hereditary health issues both physical and mental and as there are not always known causes then all issues cannot be avoided. There is no guarantee that LP won't be inherited and there is no guarantee that it will be as my understanding is that there is only higher prevalence that is not always as a result of lines but include other factors like breed, size etc. So, I do understand your frustration but I'm not sure there is a singular answer. But, like you, I wish everyone was a responsible breeder so that instances were few and far between. My parents still think it's okay to buy a dog from a newspaper. Education is so difficult when we try to attempt to teach those unwilling to learn. |
02-08-2017, 12:13 PM | #12 | |
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I suspect that a database of breeders with genetic disease issues would meet a similar fate (probably law suits shutting it down). | |
02-08-2017, 12:22 PM | #13 |
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| I suspect that a database of breeders with genetic disease issues would meet a similar fate (probably law suits shutting it down). That's what the vet said, but I can't see how simply recording facts is cause for litigation. |
02-08-2017, 02:00 PM | #14 |
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| When I noticed that Casie was skipping on her right hind leg, I immediately notified my breeder (who by the way I researched very thoroughly to ensure they are reputable, which I still believe they are). It was then that they told me they have only occasionally seen level 1 luxating patella. They obviously don't breed for it, but there's no way to 100% guarantee they're not born with it. Luckily for me, the skipping actually went away after a few months. I think Casie had somehow injured her leg and it's likely that it wasn't LP. In any case, I'm so very sorry to hear about your experience though and how poor little Sadie had to suffer. I am with you on wanting to stop the unethical breeders and brokers out there. It's a really ugly cycle of people wanting cute puppies, horrible greedy breeders who breed for money, new puppy owners realizing small dogs need a lot of training and they don't just sit around inside a purse or that they're sick and they cannot afford the bills, and all of them ending up in rescue organizations or at the pound. It's so so so so sad. Every day I see these posts on Instagram of teacup puppies, some who are advertising as designer teacup breeders - dogs so small they fit inside a small glass, the ones with the warped looking eyes/face, and thousands of people seeing these posts commenting on how cute it is and how they all want one. It makes me sick. And there's no way to stop them. I once tried to write a 'review' on Google but it was immediately taken down. I then read that it's apparently not allowed on both Google reviews and Instagram comments to "slander" (aka telling the truth about) businesses / accounts. I'm not sure the AKC can do much. The local Human Societies can't do much. When I preach about it to people who want teacup puppies, they think I'm crazy. Sigh.... What can we do?
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02-08-2017, 06:31 PM | #15 |
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| Sorry for my long rant. But one of the sites I was referring to is this one: https://www.rollyteacuppuppies.com/
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