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01-21-2017, 11:41 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: pennsylvania
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| AKC papers are they important? Hi ,I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me?I have had 3 yorkies Bear who was akc very healthy lived to be 15 1/2 years old,and the love of my life. Brittany lived to be 13 years old and she was ACA and had a lot of health issues . Bandit i received from a friend and he has had health issues all his life,he just turned 13 this year. So when i started thinking of getting a puppy I wanted AKC thinking I would get a healthier pup. So when I saw a add for champion bloodlines akc and dna on the parents and pictures of the pup I thought this is it. I thought he would come with limited AKC papers.The breeder told me he was being sold as a pet only no papers. When I questioned why she seemed to get upset and said the only I need to worry about is the warranty on the puppy.Is this standard practice when selling a puppy.I am not trying to offend anyone just trying to educate myself. Thank you! |
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01-21-2017, 12:50 PM | #2 |
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| AKC Papers.... it depends on if you think they are important. Healthwise... our first Yorkie came from a terrible breeder but still AKC until the breeder was kicked out. Poor little thing only lived 3 years due to health problems. Heartbreaking. Piccolo came with AKC papers from a great breeder. She is now 12. We bought her as a pet only. If you were told you were getting papers and did not you can complain. Pet only has nothing to do with AKC as far as I know. Sounds like maybe there could be a dog that is not AKC in the lines of the pup you want.
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01-21-2017, 01:05 PM | #3 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: E.Stroudsburg, Pa.
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| If the breeding pair are NOT AKC registered a breeder cannot register a litter. I would guess this is the reason no AKC papers will be given with this puppy. I would "think" a reputable breeder would have registered breeding dogs, and would register all her litters JMO. If a breeder told me "All I need to worry about is the warranty on the puppy and not about AKC papers" I would walk away, but that is ME. If this breeder is advertising her puppies are AKC registered then she should be giving you papers, no papers "Red Flag". In all honesty, my last two females had their papers but didn't register them, I had no intention of breeding them so I saw no reason to register them.
__________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog |
01-21-2017, 01:12 PM | #4 |
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| Just a foot note, I re-read your thread and see this breeder advertises AKC, and selling dog as a pet. In many instances a breeder will hold back AKC papers because they do not want you to breed their puppies, they will hand over AKC papers after your pup has been spayed or neutered and you provide them the proof.
__________________ Joan, mom to Cody RIP Matese Schnae Kajon Kia forever in my A House Is Not A Home Without A Dog |
01-21-2017, 02:35 PM | #5 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| In the US the only reputable registry is the AKC so reputable breeders will only use this and it generally is the best way to know your getting a pure breed yorkie. There are bad breeders that will breed AKC and there are good reputable breeders that will breed AKC. So you have to put more into it then just if they have AKC papers (which you should get even if its limited). You have to look at their lines, how long have they been doing this, what health testing do they do on their breeding dogs, do they breed to standard and so on. Now I will say neither of mine have AKC papers my girl Callie has ACA which is not reputable and my boy Joey has none. I don't love them any less whether they have papers or not but neither of mine came from good breeders and neither are even close to the standard. Callie is 18 pounds with floppy ears and health issues up the wazoo. When I got Joey I got insurance for him because of the fact that Callie had so many issues and I knew nothing about his parents or anything. Joey is almost a year old and 10 pounds with huge ears and tall and skinny and full tail. At the end of the day though certain health issues are kind of a crap shoot and even the most perfectly breed yorkie can have one or more so I would always get pet insurance on any puppy.
__________________ Taylor My babies Joey, Penny ,Ollie & Dixie Callie Mae, you will forever be in my heart! |
01-22-2017, 04:19 AM | #6 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Burbs of DC
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| I agree with much of what has already been said. I will share my experience in puppy shopping. My first yorkie came from what I would have originally thought was a reputable breeder however I quickly learned she was more of a hobby breeder with AKC registered breeding stock. Troy was not AKC registered because one of his parents was not registered. Emma came from a show breeder, therefore her dogs had to be AKC registered. When I decided on this breeder it was much more than her showing the dogs that made me want to get on her waiting list. I wanted to know about others experiences, health of her line of dogs, how she treated/kept her dogs, her communication style throughout the lifetime of the purchase period and lifetime of the dog and even if the breeder was interested in knowing about my background. Costs never really came to the forefront of the decision because I wanted a healthy and sound yorkie. So to answer your question, yes AKC papers are important to a certain point but there's so much more to consider in your puppy purchase. Also, my breeder kept Emma's AKC papers until she was spayed so we have a limited registration for her through the AKC.
__________________ Owned by Troy(RIP) & Emma Last edited by Rachael1983; 01-22-2017 at 04:21 AM. Reason: Added info |
01-22-2017, 04:43 AM | #7 |
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| If I were to shop for a puppy, I would look for a breeder that showed their dogs. Reason for this is because, that breeder is breeding for their next show quality dog, all generics are done, sire and dam matched to get that perfect show quality pup. I would know I was getting a healthy, sound puppy. The purchase cost would be higher but in the long run there would be less vet costs, pay more up front, but less "down the road". I would be looking for a healthy puppy. That is NOT to say buying a puppy from a breeder that shows a puppy would never get sick, or have a generic issues, it just lessens the possibility.
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01-22-2017, 05:06 AM | #8 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Rugby UK
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| I have no papers for Wookie, as she was bred from two much loved family pets and not purchased from a breeder. I know she had the best of care for the first 8 weeks of her life, I know her parents are both happy, healthy dogs, I never intended to breed from her anyway, and papers couldn't make me love her any more than I do. When we first got her my mother asked if we had KC papers for her, and was a little bit.....I hesitate to use the word 'disdainful', but that is the one that fits the closest.....when we said that we hadn't. Like it made Wookie less of a Yorkie because she didn't have a piece of paper saying she was one. .....but apart from us now there is no-one who loves Wookie more! I guess what my rambling is trying to say is this....are papers REALLY that important, as long as you have a happy, healthy, wonderful dog? |
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