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11-27-2016, 07:19 AM | #16 | |
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11-27-2016, 07:28 AM | #17 | |
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Lilah you are a very thoughtful and articulate woman. I so enjoy your posts and varying points of view. It is the rare person who is open to challenging their beliefs. I believe for what it is worth that tail docking and dew claw removal at age appropriate done by a vet is not harmful. How ever if I was interested in a performance dog I might not do either.
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11-27-2016, 04:02 PM | #18 | |
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11-27-2016, 07:08 PM | #19 |
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| This is a nice tread- I'm happy to see such a nice discussion about tail docking and dew claw removal. A few years ago I was regularly attacked here for promoting the idea of making these practices "breeders' choice." I've never been in favor of making it a legal matter, but I like the idea of making it optional even if doing so requires re-educating the show judges who have been slow to catch on.
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11-28-2016, 07:33 AM | #20 |
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| It's no longer a breed standard and discouraged. I know dog shows in the UK now have dogs with full tails. Yayyy. I do love a Yorkie with a tail. They look so delightful and I believe the standard is moving to North America too |
11-28-2016, 07:34 AM | #21 |
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| My vet said they would only remove few claws if not attached to a blood vessel. |
11-28-2016, 10:01 AM | #22 |
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| It's still the breed standard here sadly.
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11-28-2016, 04:24 PM | #23 |
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| Well I want to eventually do agility with the new pup and he has a full tail
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11-28-2016, 04:39 PM | #24 |
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11-28-2016, 06:02 PM | #25 |
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| I no longer remove dewclaws on my puppies (although would remove rear dew claws if any puppies ever have any). I bought two dogs from Canada who still had their dewclaws and after having them, saw no reason to remove them any longer. Removing dewclaws caused bleeding and screaming puppies whereas docking tails is bloodless and quick. My 5 1/2 month old puppy with dew claws really uses her paws to grip things and uses her dewclaws to help hold onto toys and chews. So far as tails, I'll continue to dock tails as long as I'm allowed to as I believe it is a much more balanced look. While i have gotten used to the look of an undocked tail, I very much prefer a docked tail and always will.
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11-28-2016, 07:06 PM | #26 | |
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11-28-2016, 07:19 PM | #27 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | My gch razzman has his tail docked to a medium length. We did start agility but did not continue when my own health worsened. I like both full and moderately docked tails on Yorkies. And I still think it should be breeders choice
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11-28-2016, 07:39 PM | #28 |
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| Jackson has a full tail AND his dew claws... the shame! lol, just kidding. I mean I am not a fan of legislating things in general when it comes to what I do with my dog. I think it should be left up to the breeder to decide. However I find the process completely useless. Jackson has survived eight years with a full tail and zero issues. I LOVE his tail... he uses it as a propeller to swim, I see how he uses it when it runs, and I believe his dew claws help him gain traction as well when he's running. I just dislike when people try to find excuses for it like health reasons etc when in today's day and age, they are not working dogs and it is strictly for looks or a standard. Just own up to what it is. The one breed I prefer a crop/dock look on is the Doberman. I do not like the looks of a Doberman au natural. However I'd never have that breed so it's a moot point for me. I guess I look at tail docking like everything else - we do a lot of 'unnatural' things to do including spaying & neutering. The dog has to go under anesthesia and have a surgery -- I am not sure if it's that is any better than docking when they are 2 days old and won't remember it and have no down time. And while spaying & neutering is looked upon as okay and normal because it's 'healthier' (though that's debatable too...) certain practices such as tail docking are looked at as cruel. I guess I am all over the place. I find it completely unnecessary and wouldn't choose to have it done to a dog of mine. I wish the standards would allow for both. I find it dumb and pointless. But I don't want to start banning things or legislating things. For example, Golden retrievers have had major studies done showing increase in cancers by being neutered too young. Puppies that I watch, their new owners have a contract that they can NOT neuter prior to 18 months old. I would not want a law to dictate what age my dog is fixed and I think the lines begin to get blurry when things get banned.
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11-28-2016, 07:41 PM | #29 | |
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All of my Yorkies in the past had dew claws removed. Kate has her front dew claws, and I wondered why when her tail had been docked. Dr, Zink's article gives a good explanation why it's best to leave dew claws intact. http://www.caninesports.com/uploads/...xplanation.pdf
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11-28-2016, 08:43 PM | #30 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| If you have any more links or any more infor on agility or starting agility I would love for you to pm them to me. He is still just 9 months and I heard I shouldn't start agility until a year so we are working on obedience and regular puppy stuff. He knows stay, sit, roll over, beg, lay and come. He's a fast learner.
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