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Old 09-11-2016, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default Help before groomer gets ahold of Max

Looks like he will have fur like Ava that matts easily. I started brushing him right away but when it hit a knot he bit the brush..switched to comb say thing. There is little knots right by his skin. Afraid it will cause stress trying to brush them out. He goes to the groomer in 2 days and she is a advocate just shave them short and start over but I love his puppy length hair. Is it too late to get those knots out to save his hair? Getting cooler here in ND and will be snowy here in couple months. Will any conditioner get them out? I know what I did wrong, the groomer once said brush them out then give a bath and I forgot. He gets a bath about every 3 days now. I even tried my Wen shampoo...he smelled really good after😀 I use a defuser to dry him too. Help!!
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Chewie loathes grooming. It's getting better slowly, but she's just not a fan. Our groomer is amazing, but she keeps putting her top knots in so tightly that my poor girl comes home just miserable. We end up taking it out each time that night. Think we'd learn but we were hoping it would be better when it was longer. Any way, Chewie gets a nasty snarl each time. I got one of those flat brushes with the metal tiny bristles. I slowly work on it twice a night. usually by day three it's out.
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One of my dogs, Théo, will get knots and tangles around his neck from time to time. His hair around that part of his body is just a bit different and will get knotted. I find coconut oil helps. He'll look oily for a couple days but I find it really helps to allow you to work out the knots. You can just work them out with your hand.

I've had terrible experiences with groomers. They continually take too much hair off my yorkies ears, one time cut the hair in front of their eyes, improperly do the top knot, shave too much hair off their bums, brush them bone dry and screw up their coat and turn them into a static ball, etc. I just one day bought a grooming table and an arm for it and started doing it myself cause even when I tell them what I want, they screw it up. I'd be worried if I were you. And you gotta keep up with it and get Max used to and become comfortable with brushing, being handled, clipping nails, brushing teeth, etc. With time and consistency, Max should get better with it and not bite the brush and do stuff like that. Brushing needs to be part of your daily routine.

I'd use the search function on here to read all about types of brushes to use, different products and sprays and stuff to use before brushing, etc. There's loads of information on here from lots of people with tons of experience and knowledge. But I'd give the coconut oil a try. It just loosens everything right up and allows you to easily work through knots and tangles. It's my secret weapon to use if I've been bad and haven't brushed Théo for a long time.
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I would use the mustache type metal comb to "pick" at the mats to first loosen them up...then you brush them out using the same comb.
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I always try to stress,to new puppy owners to comb their pups every day even though the pup does not appear to need it. They do need the constant handling and feel of grooming instruments in order to train them to accept future grooming without fear.
Using good all natural sulfate free products makes the process so much easier. WEN is good as are the Yorkie Splash and Shine products found on the yorkieshampoo.com website. I'm sure there are other ALL natural products out there as well. Using a good spray conditioner during comb outs helps with snags and makes the whole process easier. The Yorkie Shine product is good for this as it does not make the coat greasy.
Some people will use cornstarch on a mat. Rub it into the matt and use a small metal grooming comb to work it out. I know some people who use coconut oil on mats to help work them out. If worse comes to worse you can snip out the mat. It will save the rest of the coat and the hair will grow back fast enough.
Daily combing (if they appear to need it or not) and good chemical free products, along with the right grooming equipment will keep you baby's coat good looking and healthy and make grooming a less loathsome task. If your groomer will not work with you on this then find a new one or learn to do it yourself. A quick daily comb through will save you and your dog a lot of stress later on.
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Google WEN lawsuits regarding this product causing hair to fall out. I wouldn't use it on your pup or yourself.
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I agree about the coconut oil. There's also a baby care de-tangling conditioner spray by Johnsons which is great if you spray a tiny bit straight onto the mat and work with your fingers, just pulling it gently apart. You may still end up cutting it out but only when it's the smallest it can be.
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Millions of people use WEN with no bad effects. Of course if someone has a bad reaction to any product they should not use it. Humans and animals all very in their exact chemical compositions. I know people with particular hair issues that swear by it but as I said, everyone is different. I would avoid the one that has tea tree oil in it as some dogs are allergic to tea tree.
My groomer uses two different WEN products at her place of business. It can be very beneficial especially to dogs with dry or damaged skin and coat. I prefer to use the Yorkie Splash and Shine. I have tried other natural brands but always go back to it. While WEN does not lather and you have to use a lot of the product to get the right results the lady that makes YSS uses a natural surfactant to create suds that does not dry the skin. Smells good, too.
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Google WEN lawsuits regarding this product causing hair to fall out. I wouldn't use it on your pup or yourself.
I saw those articles on Wen but my hair is so thick and I've never had it falling out from Wen. I've used it for a couple years now. Since it doesnt suds up you just slick it thru your hair there is no snarls using it. Worked better than the puppy shampoo but I use puppy shampoo on his face so it does sting.
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Honestly it's just hair and it will grow back. It would be a lot better to just shave him and not put him through the pain of dematting him. Why do you bathe every 3 days? It's probably better to maybe push it to once a week. You also need to make sure you are using dog shampoo not human shampoo because it doesn't have the proper ph balance and can dry their skin out. Both mine ended up having to be shaved as puppies and it grew back pretty fast.
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I always try to stress,to new puppy owners to comb their pups every day even though the pup does not appear to need it. They do need the constant handling and feel of grooming instruments in order to train them to accept future grooming without fear.
Using good all natural sulfate free products makes the process so much easier. WEN is good as are the Yorkie Splash and Shine products found on the yorkieshampoo.com website. I'm sure there are other ALL natural products out there as well. Using a good spray conditioner during comb outs helps with snags and makes the whole process easier. The Yorkie Shine product is good for this as it does not make the coat greasy.
Some people will use cornstarch on a mat. Rub it into the matt and use a small metal grooming comb to work it out. I know some people who use coconut oil on mats to help work them out. If worse comes to worse you can snip out the mat. It will save the rest of the coat and the hair will grow back fast enough.
Daily combing (if they appear to need it or not) and good chemical free products, along with the right grooming equipment will keep you baby's coat good looking and healthy and make grooming a less loathsome task. If your groomer will not work with you on this then find a new one or learn to do it yourself. A quick daily comb through will save you and your dog a lot of stress later on.
Yes, absolutely 100% correct. I could have saved myself a great deal of time and effort wasted if I'd done this from the get go. They might not like it, but they need it for sure.
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Honestly it's just hair and it will grow back. It would be a lot better to just shave him and not put him through the pain of dematting him. Why do you bathe every 3 days? It's probably better to maybe push it to once a week. You also need to make sure you are using dog shampoo not human shampoo because it doesn't have the proper ph balance and can dry their skin out. Both mine ended up having to be shaved as puppies and it grew back pretty fast.
He gets baths a lot because he smells like pee.... If he uses the pee pad he walks thru it then lays on it..if he's outside his sisters go potty then I swear he lays in that too! Since he sleeps with us he gets a ton of baths...plus loves the warm water!
I got a metal teeth brush the groomer recommended. He wasnt happy but finally settled down and the little knots came right out. They weren't mats but more like little pin knots.
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We are in ND and it's already 40's in the morning so with cold weather coming soon I have to try to not shave him. Or a parka and snow boots are in his future!
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I gave up on my 3 and shaved them also. Like Taylor said, it is just so much easier on everyone. Plus they look adorable in sweaters in the winter. When their hair is longer, they can't wear them because it causes matting.

They are all 3 sporting puppy cuts right now. I can't even imagine bathing my crew every 3 days. We call the bathtub the yorkie torture chamber. Kudos to you for having the guts to go through that punishment more than once a week.
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We are in ND and it's already 40's in the morning so with cold weather coming soon I have to try to not shave him. Or a parka and snow boots are in his future!
One thing to keep in mind is yorkies have hair not fur so having long hair is not necessarily going to keep him warm or warm so he will probably need a coat anyway.
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