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Old 01-19-2006, 01:16 AM   #1
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Default About "No tea-cups".

I posted this on the actual thread but this forum moves so fast that sometimes posts are missed and I needed this one to be read.I just copied and posted my post because lately Iv heard sad things about the smaller yorkies that I dont think are true.Making the term tea-cup disapeer would be great!,but I wouldent want it to be replaced with the word "freak".
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"The tiniest of the tiny Yorkies, weighing less than the standard size of 4 to 7 pounds as adults, are sometimes called "Teacup Yorkies." The term doesnt technically exist, according to the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America or the American Kennel Club, and refers to dogs who, rather than being rare or special, are actually just dangerously small, more susceptible to injury and accidents, and particularly vulnerable to health problems, says Shirley Patterson, corresponding secretary of the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America. She urges potential owners not to be fooled by breeders trying to sell these extra-small Yorkies for extra-large prices.
'These dogs need constant supervision, become dehydrated very easily, and get sick frequently,' Patterson says. Responsible breeders will not charge more money for these smaller dogs, who can naturally be born in any litter."
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I think the article is great but that they shouldent make the tiny ones sound like time bombs because that just isnt true or fair to those of us that actually own one.
It upsets me to hear that the tiny ones get sick frequently,that they are prone to accidents,that they are dangerously small??? None of this has to be true and in my case it isnt at all.
Lady is 3oz shy of 2lbs and she has been sick once in 2 years and even then it was because she ate a bug whilst on her walk! She has never had diarrea,she has only had one accident (my fault) and even then nothing happened,she was fine,and as for her being dangerously small,I think thats just stupid and again unfair.I have 2 small kids who LOVE to play with her and a cat that loves to chase her around the house...she is healthy,playful and normal.
I agree that we shouldent call them tea-cups so that people dont think that they are getting something extra special,but please,lets stop making the smaller yorkies sound like super sick animals that only a profesional could own...Its a matter of stopping the term "tea-cup" not making the small ones sound like freaks.
I am a normal everyday person and I assure you that I havent had to go to university in order to look after Lady.She has to eat a special high calorie food to keep her weight stable (which is normal as tiny as she is) and she has glucose treats once a day just in case..but thats it! THAT is all the special care she needs and anyone can do it.
The vet bills arent higher with Lady,she isnt more work and neither does she need more care than Jessica who is over 7lbs.
Please please stop making the smaller yorkies sound like timebombs.They cant be bred,you have to be a little more careful around the house etc,but other than that they are just regular yorkies,plain and simple.
Im sorry about this post but when you´ve read post after post where people claim that you have to be a special person to own such a small yorkie,that these shouldent be raised in a home with kids,or that they need so much more care than a regular sized yorkie and that the vet bills are super high! etc,the day comes when you have to say something because none of this is true 80% of the time.
I just needed to get this off of my chest...I hope no one takes offense because this is not my intention at all.I just wanted to clarify that the breeding of tinies is totally wrong,but owning one isnt
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:33 AM   #2
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I am so happy that your baby is very healthy! Let me start by saying I am typing this in a kind, gentle tone of voice...not "ATTACK!!!!!". I think that in general the tinier ones tend to be/get all or some the things mentioned above. Not every one. Just like all or some of the things can happen to a standard or even over-sized Yorkie. It is not meant to be an insult to any tiny little Yorkie regardless of health. I don't think my Cowboy will ever reach 3 pounds. Thank God he is healthy also. I do worry about him more though because his bone structure is just more delicate...little wee bones. Of course those will break easier than bigger bones. What irritates people is the exploiting of tinies and then NOT mentioning the greater health risks. A natural born runt is just that and there is absolutely nothing wrong with owning one.
People may be hesitating to add to this thread for fear of it turning nasty as it has so many times in the past about "breeding" for tinies.
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Very well said!!! I think the point that almost everyone has missed all along is just what you said. Breeding/exploitation is the crime here .... not owning one!!
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No one has to fear anything,Isnt a forum there for people to post their opinions on? It doesnt have to get nasty at all.
The same thing happens when talking about breeding on here but the only thing needed in order to keep a thread peaceful is respect and an open mind.
If we cant talk about certain subjects just because someone is going to want to get nasty,then whats the point of posting at all?
All subjects are fine just as long as everybody respects every body elses opinion
About the tinies,I dont agree on breeding them either,but my point was that I dont like the way that people make them sound like such a waste of time because they are sooooooo sickly and sooooooo delicate and that you need to have a degree in medicine to have one etc.
Yorkies in general are a delicate breed,they need time and dedication without being under 3lbs,but those that are under 3lbs dont need any more than the rest.
I hope no one does make this thread into a huge argument because this was not my intention at all
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I just wanted to say that I for one do adore tiny yorkies. I own one myself. I just don't think they should ever be bred under any circumstance. Most of them are as healthy as bigger yorkies in my opinion and my experience with other people who own them too. The tiny yorkies that I have had the pleasure of being around personally, owned by other people, were just as outgoing and feisty as a 7 lb. yorkie. There are going to be some that aren't as lucky health wise, but in general I think the health issues with the majority of them has been really over rated. If you aquire your yorkie from an un-healthy line your chances of getting an unhealthy puppy is going to be the same whether its a smaller baby or a larger baby.
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Tiffany, my 1.9 lb, stands her ground with all of my other kidz. Tiffany has no idea she is small. She is right in their face, " look at me I am alfa." I have never had a low blood sugar problem with her or any problem.
Tiffany's parents are 5,-- 51/2 lbs. Her dad is the larger. He has always thrown samll pups. Must be somewhere in the gene pool. The largest of his pups have been 4 3/4 lb when grown and he usually throws 4 pups. Cute baby doll faces. Ummm wish I owned him. He is one good stud!
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Teeth I appreciate your post

Gina, I can imagine that you do get a little irritated when you have had such good luck with your little one. I am thinking because of all the good care you have given her, including her special food and glucose treats, she will be well and happy her entire life. But for people who don't know or care about giving tinies special food or glucose treats, I am guessing they have more problems than you.

I bet that on the average, though, if you were to keep statistics on a 2 pounder next to a 6 pounder, there is more special care for the 2 pounder than the 6.

All the people who have posted here that have tinies are posting the ones they have had good luck with. How about the tinies that people bought that did not make it to their 1 year birthday? I am guessing there may be a lot of those. But those people may not post. Over all, I understand that the larger pups are generally more healthy, and therefore, easier to care for. I don't mean to play devil's advocate here, JMO.

All that being said, I would LOVE to own a teeny one!! They are adorable!! I would just know straight up that there may be more challenges, but with YT by my side, I would certainly be up for it!
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Gina, I can imagine that you do get a little irritated when you have had such good luck with your little one. I am thinking because of all the good care you have given her, including her special food and glucose treats, she will be well and happy her entire life. But for people who don't know or care about giving tinies special food or glucose treats, I am guessing they have more problems than you.

I bet that on the average, though, if you were to keep statistics on a 2 pounder next to a 6 pounder, there is more special care for the 2 pounder than the 6.

All the people who have posted here that have tinies are posting the ones they have had good luck with. How about the tinies that people bought that did not make it to their 1 year birthday? I am guessing there may be a lot of those. But those people may not post. Over all, I understand that the larger pups are generally more healthy, and therefore, easier to care for. I don't mean to play devil's advocate here, JMO.

All that being said, I would LOVE to own a teeny one!! They are adorable!! I would just know straight up that there may be more challenges, but with YT by my side, I would certainly be up for it!
I agree completely. I looked at them when we had the thread for the man that wanted yorkies to model and I fell in love with them but my reservation although
I think I would be able to care for one would be if they need teeth cleaning(which they would) or need surgery
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of their bike. I guess they are as popular in Spain as here.
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There really arent any challenges at all Lady is treated in the exact same way as Jess exept of course at feeding time.Lady has her own food because weighing what she does our vet thinks its better for her to eat food with alot more protein and fat in it because obviosly she eats less,so she has a special high calorie food once a day.She was also spayed with no problems when she was little..but my 23lb mix pup died during the same precedure (we never thought that being as big as she was there would be a problem).
Her glucose treats arent really because she needs them either,but we have always given them to her just incase.
There IS one difference between the normal sized yorkies and the little ones now that I think about it Lady cant run up and down stairs like Jess can,she cant get on and off of the couch or bed on her own,she cant jump out of the tub when Im bathing her (I LOVE this one! lol) and she doesnt pull on walks Other than that,she is a great dane in a tight suit! lol.
Those who want a small yorkie should be informed on the good and bad things,but not convinced that its all bad because I promise thats its not
They dont need a specific care method,lets say they just need help

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I just hate to see things get blown out of proportion. I have a 9 lb yorkie and I have a 2 lb yorkie. Certainly I am more careful with the activities of BOTH of my yorkies in comparison to the German shepherd I have. There is no disputing that tinies have special care issues. They are VERY small.
And while I agree that breeding for tinies is WRONG, do not just assume that they all have more health problems. A yorkie, any yorkie is a small dog and not the pet for everyone. If you are looking at buying a tiny you are better off looking at the breeder and his/her ethics first then the size of the dog. Many responsible breeders have "accidental" tinies. They do not breed for them, they just happen. My Mignon is one of those accidental tinies. (As an as aside, Mignons mother produced 2 tinies in her 2 litters from different fathers. She has since been spayed and placed in a pet home.) So while I am against intentionally breeding for tinies they do happen and IMO a well bred dog is a well bred dog period. Yes, you have to be more careful for their whole lives, common sense tells you that, but to group them all as one is not right. (There is nothing amiss with either Mignons eyes or her intelligence.)
On the other hand, I have an aquaintance thet intentionally went looking at tiny breeders, her dog is a walking health issue.
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My friend Micheline have a little 1 pound 8 ounces and sometimes she wish that Sibelle slow down in her activities . She is 7 years old and is going on and on .
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I just read up and I wanted to add that Mignon is NOT on a special diet or glucose treats.And she has never had a hypoglycemic episode. She is on vitamins as are all my kids.
She can jump like a deer and the only challenge is trying to get her not to. There is plenty of padding all over around my bed and couch because of this. My house isnt as well put together as it used to be before Mignon (She is at 2 and a half lbs a little bigger than Ginas Lady tho.)
I also wanted to add that she handled the anesthesia from her spay and dental much better than her 9 lb brother.
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hmmmm....my 2 cents. I currently have a 2 lb, 1 lb 12 ounce and a 1 1/2 lb yorkies. I AM more careful with them. I watch them more closely around my children. I watch them more closely around my other 2 yorkies...but then again, I'm talking about puppies. But, I would treat an adult 2 lb yorkie the same. They're going to be smaller in size, have smaller frames so why wouldn't I treat them differently?
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Well.. I am new around here and I do not have a Yorkie as of right now... I do however have a Maltese... He is what is called a "teacup" size Maltese. I hate the term "teacup" and I hear it ALL the time when I take my Kodie for a walk. I think its interesting to read all the posts on this topic because I think the same opinions/facts on this topic apply to the Maltese breed. Kodie is 3.5lbs... and after seeing some of you have a Yorkie that is around 2lbs... Kodie seems big.. haha Well... Kodie came from a female that is 3.5lbs and a male that was around 2.5lbs. The result of this was a pup that died at birth (it was too small)... a female pup that didnt even make it to 1lb... she died at 6 months of age. She had neurological and physical issues. Then there was Kodie (my baby)... he was the only pup to survive. I did not get kodie from a puppy mill or any big breeding organization. He was from a family near my house. He has his own issues though. For example... his jaw is not formed as well as a bigger or healthier maltese (or any pup for that matter), he has floating ribs (some bones stick out), his bone structure is very tiny (and I know that a Yorkie and Maltese are both very tiny boned pups as it is), Kodie has higher liver counts.. but does NOT have a shunt or any other health issue... he is acts completely normal... plus he has had every test possible to determine if something was wrong with him, His skin is very very thin... soo he had a hard time healing from sutures from his neutering (it took 8 months to heal), etc... I think you get my point. For the most part... kodie is completely normal.. runs around and very active little pup... btw.. hes 2yrs old.

My point with this post is that I see where someone would say that a smaller pup is not a reject...they are just like every other pup. But... I would also like to say that NOT every household treats their pups exactly like you... not everyones children are well with dogs either... some children are baddd and could HURT or kill a smaller pup. Kodie's grandmother (which was around the same size as kodie) was killed by a child... the child threw a toy at the dog... i guess they thought they were playing fetch.. and it hit the small dogs back and paralized the dog. The result was they had to put the dog down because there was no way to fix this type of injury... the dog was suffering.

I'm not saying that every extremely small pup has a health problem but there are MORE chances of a problem when mating two extremely small dogs together... I fixed kodie because of this same reason... Kodie's aunt was around the same size and she had nothing but problems trying to have pups... the breeder finally spayed her. I think that the whole fad of owning a really small dog is what has gotten a lot of people WANTING to breed smaller pups... you have to remember that a breeder is supposed to be breeding to better the breed... not for greed.

I hope I didnt hurt anyones feelings... i'm not trying to agrue either... I just see alot of people out there mistreat their dogs or breed improperly.
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