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Old 11-06-2015, 09:36 AM   #1
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My granddaughter is 4 and was 3 when I brought Zoey home. Zoey is suppose to be for her. I posted before about Zoey and her behavior toward my granddaughter.
Here's the latest incident which happened yesterday. My granddaughter was playing and Zoey was laying on the floor. My son, who is 23, was also there. My husband and I went to the kitchen.
We then here my son yell "don't you growl at Chloe"!!!! I walked into the living room and there's Zoey standing in front of Chloe growling and barked a couple times. Chloe did absolutely NOTHING to provoke this.
I've seen her walk up to Chloe and try to grab her hand with her mouth. We tell her "no bite" and this has been going on for months. I've even seperated them and when Chloe walks into the room where she is I have her ignore Zoey until she calms down. She gets zero attention until she's calm. I have everyone on the same page there.
Sorry this is so long. Thanks for reading this. It's almost as if Zoey is bullying her. And Chloe is getting to the point where she doesn't want anything to do with her puppy. Btw, Zoey is now 8 months old.
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I am so sorry for what you are experiencing......especially sorry for Zoey.....she does not understand grand kids, small child, etc....all she thinks she knows, is HER space is being invaded by a small, loud, fast moving person that she is not equipped to deal with. I have absolutely no idea how to work thru this with Zoey....this is exactly why I do not sell my Yorkies to households with a child present under the age of 8 years old....depending on the size of the child, I MAY consider a child as young as 6, but never under that. The dog more often than not has a difficult time adjusting and accepting a small child that in the pups mind, is encroaching on everything that belongs to the pup! And young children under the age of 6 are just not mature enough with motor skills to safely interact around a small dog, resulting many times in injury to the pup from getting stepped on, or dropped........the majority of time, it turns into a battle for "ownership" of the human, the space, the toys, time, etc....

Good luck with this, let us know how it works out....praying for the best outcome for Zoey as well as the child.
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this worries me because I do not have children yet...and if my yorkie girl acts up I will be heartbroken! I use to worry about my African Grey getting jealous of my puppy and he sure did...My worst fear he was going to pluck all his feathers..(he hasn't)...he now accepts her as part of his flock, but still doesnt like her! Now I worry if I have a child how this will affect them both!
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Sometimes they get along really well. When Chloe walks into the room Zoey gets so excited. Well she's like that with everyone! She loves people! It's just when I think Zoey thinks she can get away with it, she'll growl at Chloe. It's odd. Because anyone can see she loves her. She'll sit beside her lay her head on her lap and give kisses. Chloe asks me before she kisses her head if it's ok. And it ok only when Zoey is calm and relaxed. When Chloe spends the night with me Zoey sleeps in between us and snuggles Chloe.
You see my confusion? Zoey isn't a small pup. She's 15 lbs and long legged. So this isn't a puppy Chloe's trying to pick up. She's not getting stepped on or anything. She's a yorkie mixed with poodle.
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I think you're perhaps attaching too much emotion to the growling and barking. It may be more helpful to step back and review the situation objectively i.e. does the dog feel cornered in some way? trying to draw attention to something i.e. itself or its needs? is it afraid for some reason? is it establishing boundaries?

All of the above are perfectly normal dog behaviors. I would suggest that you talk to a behaviorist who can help you analyze and correct the behavior, should that be required, since I know that will go a long way towards harmony, compassion and training. Much better than emotion attached to speculation.

In the dogs eyes, it doesn't matter who you bought it for...it belongs to itself as its own being. I don't believe any of the behavior is personal but, rather, miscommunication.

RSPCA will often recommend behaviorists they use to ensure dogs are adoptable and can sometimes offer referral discounts. Alternatively, ask your vet for a recommendation.

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this worries me because I do not have children yet...and if my yorkie girl acts up I will be heartbroken! I use to worry about my African Grey getting jealous of my puppy and he sure did...My worst fear he was going to pluck all his feathers..(he hasn't)...he now accepts her as part of his flock, but still doesnt like her! Now I worry if I have a child how this will affect them both!
Zoey came into my home with Chloe already here and Chloe just recently moved out with her mom. They lived here with us. I can understand a puppy/dog getting jealous of a new born baby. I've heard of that often. I don't think it's jealousy. I can't figure it out
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Depending on the pups age, some growl and bark when they want to play.

First you need to try and determine why she is behaving this way. Then can you try to correct the behaviour.
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I think you're perhaps attaching too much emotion to the growling and barking. It may be more helpful to step back and review the situation objectively i.e. does the dog feel cornered in some way? trying to draw attention to something i.e. itself or its needs? is it afraid for some reason? is it establishing boundaries?

All of the above are perfectly normal dog behaviors. I would suggest that you talk to a behaviorist who can help you analyze and correct the behavior, should that be required, since I know that will go a long way towards harmony, compassion and training. Much better than emotion attached to speculation.

In the dogs eyes, it doesn't matter who you bought it for...it belongs to itself as its own being. I don't believe any of the behavior is personal but, rather, miscommunication.

RSPCA will often recommend behaviorists they use to ensure dogs are adoptable and can sometimes offer referral discounts. Alternatively, ask your vet for a recommendation.

Good luck.
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I truly believe some Yorkies (and probably other breeds) just do not like kids. Cali just turned 2, and she has been around my daughters since the day she (Cali) was born. She still doesn't like my girls very much. They pretty much exist in the same place but do not bother each other much. She will tolerate them picking her up, but she does growl and let it be known that she'd rather not. However, if they happen to be relaxing with a snuggly blanket then she will certainly lay with them.
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I truly believe some Yorkies (and probably other breeds) just do not like kids. Cali just turned 2, and she has been around my daughters since the day she (Cali) was born. She still doesn't like my girls very much. They pretty much exist in the same place but do not bother each other much. She will tolerate them picking her up, but she does growl and let it be known that she'd rather not. However, if they happen to be relaxing with a snuggly blanket then she will certainly lay with them.
I agree! My oldest boy is 14 now and the day I brought my first born child home, he was almost 2. He hated her since that day and I had to watch him very closely. Luckily we were all calm and we had very few "insidents" and they did learn to co exist. But they never bonded so to say. Although now that he's old and she's 12, she's the first person he runs over to in the morning when she gets up.
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You are doing a great job. You are very wise to be vigilant. I hope that Zoey gets the idea that your sweet little granddaughter is not a threat. I do think your dog is being territorial and trying to keep her position.

When we walk and Dinky hears kids playing, he will cross to the other side of the street to get as far away as possible. On Halloween, DH had him downstairs while I passed out treats. Afterward, Dinky was a trembling mess and vomited twice.

I hope Zoey learns from your granddaughter that kids can be gentle.
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Aw I'm so sorry! My boy tries to play with my 4 yr old nephew but my nephew is a brat and tells him go and no...have you tried taking them out for a walk together or having the granddaughter help with tasks like brushing or even doing tricks for treats from her? I know my other nephew is 9 and teddy automatically started barking like crazy when he first met him but I kept him on the leash in the house let him sniff my nephew then gave my nephew a handful of treats and teddy did his tricks and got off the leash they've been friends since!
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I am sorry you are having difficulties with the dog and grand daughters. I do have to agree with others on here that a 3 or 4 year old child should not have a yorkie though. If the Yorkie was strictly for you and the grandchild is there then maybe that can be worked with better. I have 2 teenagers and 3 Yorkies in my house, I can not imagine a small child dealing with my dogs. Children can not be trusted with a small dog. I would make sure you do not leave the granddaughter alone with the dog even for a moment.

There are many reasons the dog could be acting this way toward her and I know someone else mentioned that maybe the dog felt threatened, maybe the dog wanted to play. My puppies growl at me when they want to play, but I know them well enough to know that they are growling to play. My older Yorkie that I adopted growls when we play, and I know he is just playing. I would watch very closely and try to figure out why the dog is doing this. The dog may not understand to be more gentle with the granddaughter than she has to be with you.

Good luck and if you need to get a trainer involved then please spend the money on it. I have known several trainers that are worth every penny it would cost you. If your dog is not already in an obedience class then look into one, even a Petsmart class would give you basics on training the dog and it will help you connect with the dog.

I would personally give up the idea that the dog was gotten for a little child. Love the dog as yours, but make it clear that the little girl comes to visit as well and the dog can not be aggressive toward her. I feel that Yorkies should not belong to a child younger than about 12. My daughter just got a Yorkie puppy for her 17th birthday and that is going well because she is old enough and mature enough to take care of the puppy. She has trained her very well and she is a great puppy.

Good luck! I hope things get better.
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I agree..
You could revisit the idea once the dog has had some training. She is so young and your Yorkie might not have the personality to be around a young child. Children make sudden movements by nature, and a dog could really do some harm.

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I am sorry you are having difficulties with the dog and grand daughters. I do have to agree with others on here that a 3 or 4 year old child should not have a yorkie though. If the Yorkie was strictly for you and the grandchild is there then maybe that can be worked with better. I have 2 teenagers and 3 Yorkies in my house, I can not imagine a small child dealing with my dogs. Children can not be trusted with a small dog. I would make sure you do not leave the granddaughter alone with the dog even for a moment.

There are many reasons the dog could be acting this way toward her and I know someone else mentioned that maybe the dog felt threatened, maybe the dog wanted to play. My puppies growl at me when they want to play, but I know them well enough to know that they are growling to play. My older Yorkie that I adopted growls when we play, and I know he is just playing. I would watch very closely and try to figure out why the dog is doing this. The dog may not understand to be more gentle with the granddaughter than she has to be with you.

Good luck and if you need to get a trainer involved then please spend the money on it. I have known several trainers that are worth every penny it would cost you. If your dog is not already in an obedience class then look into one, even a Petsmart class would give you basics on training the dog and it will help you connect with the dog.

I would personally give up the idea that the dog was gotten for a little child. Love the dog as yours, but make it clear that the little girl comes to visit as well and the dog can not be aggressive toward her. I feel that Yorkies should not belong to a child younger than about 12. My daughter just got a Yorkie puppy for her 17th birthday and that is going well because she is old enough and mature enough to take care of the puppy. She has trained her very well and she is a great puppy.

Good luck! I hope things get better.
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I am so sorry for what you are experiencing......especially sorry for Zoey.....she does not understand grand kids, small child, etc....all she thinks she knows, is HER space is being invaded by a small, loud, fast moving person that she is not equipped to deal with. I have absolutely no idea how to work thru this with Zoey....this is exactly why I do not sell my Yorkies to households with a child present under the age of 8 years old....depending on the size of the child, I MAY consider a child as young as 6, but never under that. The dog more often than not has a difficult time adjusting and accepting a small child that in the pups mind, is encroaching on everything that belongs to the pup! And young children under the age of 6 are just not mature enough with motor skills to safely interact around a small dog, resulting many times in injury to the pup from getting stepped on, or dropped........the majority of time, it turns into a battle for "ownership" of the human, the space, the toys, time, etc....

Good luck with this, let us know how it works out....praying for the best outcome for Zoey as well as the child.
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