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02-04-2015, 01:17 AM | #1 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Canada
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| health and safety at groomers...... I came across this woman's blog,i assume she's a groomer, if you scroll down a bit there is a story about the dangers of heated cage and stand dryers,but BEWARE:there are graphic images of dogs that were burnt on their bellies.she also has some good to know info on other pages of her blog this is her blog, not sure if it's ok to post some strangers blog link ? Grooming Smarter: Health & Safety what i found most interesting that i think people need to be more aware of is her article on the same page down at the bottom more is about proper Cleaning, Disinfecting and Sterilization. i learned this in hair school, so when i saw the state of a local grooming shop here, i was floored at how much it was lacking of any of this.so i just googled it and was looking into it, then i relalized... there is not really association that oversees dog groomers, that make sure proper procedures are followed and they know proper ways to disinfect, i'm not even sure if you need a license to groom?at least here in this part of canada, which i think one day you should have to. theres so much they can spread between pets and damage they can do to pets. i'm sure most people here have great groomers, but i thought i'd post this just in case.i disinfect my tools between my human clients, so they should be doing that between their animal clients .. and for those who don't want to click on the link due to the graphic pictures,heres the part from her blog about proper disinfecting at groomers : "Disinfecting by definition: the killing of most microbial life that can lead to infection in humans—such as Influenza, Staphylococcus, HIV/AIDS, Herpes, Salmonella and Hepatitis. This can be achieved by using a chemical disinfectant or a tool like a UV sanitizer. It is almost impossible to disinfect or sanitize a dirty item. You can kill the germs involved but you will still have dirt, grime and the like if you do not clean the items first. I see all the time where people say they use Barbicide to clean. Well, no, you didn't. It is NOT a cleaner! It is, according to it's own website FAQ section a disinfectant to be used AFTER cleaning. From the label: BEAUTY/BARBER INSTRUMENTS AND TOOLS: Thoroughly clean brushes, combs, clipper blades, shears, razors, and other inanimate hard surfaced non-porous tools and implements prior to complete immersion for 10 minutes (or as required by local authorities) in a solution as prepared above. If you fail to clean the items first you are not effectively disinfecting your tools. Now, I am not a fan of Barbicide. I know it can damage our equipment, especially non stainless metals. I use a cleansing alcohol and peroxide to disinfect my equipment. I wash everything off in soapy water, quite often in my tub after a day of grooming using my left over shampoo. Rinse, Dry. Then spray with alcohol. In between dogs, I remove hair and spritz with my alcohol. NOW we have the word STERILIZE. In most cases this term DOES NOT apply to grooming tools. When an item is sterlized, generally cold or heat autoclave units are used. They are used to kill 100% of all organic micro organisms. This is needed in surgical situations but it is not needed nor is it practical in grooming tools. Once an item is removed from a sterile packet or uv sterilizer, it is no longer sterile. Since we are not using our tools inside an animal there is no reason to sterilize our equipment. Another issue I see all the time is people not using their disinfectants correctly. You cannot simply spray a surface down and wipe it off. You MUST allow it to stay in contact (wet) with the cleaned surface for the amount of time specified on the label of the product. Barbicide states a ten mi nute contact is needed. Bleach usually kills many things on contact but for stubborn bacteria and viruses it takes ten minutes. Parvasol? Ten minutes. Chlorhexidine? 15 minutes. Nolvasan? Again 15 minutes. I have even seen vets spray down a table, wipe it down and then get upset when I put my own towel down but I do it anyway. I just dont trust their cleaning! Now, Peroxide based disinfectants are faster. 30 seconds to one minute! Alcohol requires ten minutes. If you simply spray and then dry with a cloth you are accomplishing nothing. You must allow the surface to stay wet for the required time or you are not actually disinfecting. If you do not clean the items first you are wasting your time. Make sure you are actually disinfecting items correctly! Otherwise you are not only wasting time and money but you could be spreading illnesses and that is not what we want to do! " that was from her blog, just thought i'd leave this here as something to keep in mind |
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02-04-2015, 05:07 AM | #2 |
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02-04-2015, 06:36 AM | #3 |
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| Aside from disinfecting grooming supplies I wonder how many groomers check to see if the dogs they groom are up to date on their vaccines. I now use a mobile groomer who I have been using for years. Before that, I used a groomer who appointed 8 dogs at the same time then kept them cooped up in cages until she got to them. A few days after that horrible experience my Yorkie Barkley starting coughing. It sounded so bad I actually thought he was choking on something. Checked his mouth and throat and saw nothing. Took him to the vet who diagnosed kennel cough. How could that be, he was never boarded anywhere - ever! She saw the bow in his hair and asked if he had been groomed recently. I told her how he was crated for 8 hours at the groomer. She told me that they never check on updated vaccines and that Barkley was probably in a crate or near a dog with kennel cough. He had the vaccine, but I found out that day that it doesn't cover all strains. Barkley was sick for about three weeks to the point we thought he had developed pneumonia. Vet visits, antibiotics, xrays. One very expensive deal both mentally and financially. Never used that groomer again. Even my mobile groomer asks about updated inoculations. When I asked the vet if I should call the groomer and tell her about Barkley, she said "she will tell you that you can't prove anything". She was right. Live and learn. |
02-04-2015, 07:20 AM | #4 |
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| I've seen the groomers at petsmart check for vaccines before the dogs are allowed to be groomed but I don't think I've ever seen them actually clean anything... I only use them once in a while for their nails. Your post just adds to the reason why I don't want to take my two to the groomers and just do them myself at the safety of our home! Thanks for the post. |
02-04-2015, 10:04 AM | #5 |
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| I won't use a groomer who uses cage dryers I hate those things there terrible and even if the dog dosent get burned I can not imagine how horrible for them it is to sit in a cage having hot air blown at them. I get Callie groomed at our vet and so they have all our vaccine stuff right there. Everything has it's risks. It's the same way when we go to get our hair cut.
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02-04-2015, 11:09 AM | #6 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: the land of high taxes
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| Hi. the dogs were not in a cage with a heater - she just thought she was going to make $1 million the first year in business and put 8 dogs in at 8:30am and another 8 at 11:30 and so on thrugh out the day. Then they sat there. I was furious. Beautiful state-of-the-art dog salon, but you can't tell a book by its cover. |
02-04-2015, 11:17 AM | #7 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Canada
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| Yes there is always a risk. Same as when you get your hair done,there are things you can watch for though to help eliminate some of those risks, i see other hairdressers not following the right procedures all the time , but at least they need mandatory schooling and a license for it and there is an association who will do random drop ins and can shut you down and fine you for not following proper procedures and having dirty tools etc, maybe one day dog grooming can have the same thing, i was shocked the other day and realized how much more dog grooming needs to be regulated.so just thought id post it here as something to keep in mind. |
02-04-2015, 11:41 AM | #8 |
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| Wow seastheday day that sounds so horrible and greedy to book that many dogs at the same time and make them wait that long , obviously shes putting money before the well being of the dogs . Also though would like to note my intentions of this post was not to scare people from groomers , im sure there are tons of fantastic groomers who keep up on educating themselves and follow proper procedures, but just something to keep in mind if what to watch for just in case. And maybe if more people are aware of whats right And wrong,one day there can be proper regulations put in place. |
02-04-2015, 11:51 AM | #9 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: the land of high taxes
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| I absolutely agree. There are great groomers out there. this thread it to educate people on what to look for. The groomer I use now is wonderful. Both dogs love her. Ironically she was the one who groomed Barkley until she got head-butted by a German Shepard. Broke her nose and the orbit of her eye. She was out of work for months and I didn't like anyone else in the salon. That is when I tried this new groomer. Bad move! My old groomer contacted me when she started her own mobile salon. Now she will only groom small dogs. The name on her mobile grooming van says it all: Must Luv Dogs |
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