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10-04-2014, 08:32 AM | #1 |
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| If a dog shakes himself out,does that mean he just "shook you off"? After dog is given a command and he shakes his body like he does after a bath, does that mean he just “shook” off your command? At Cody’s last obedience session, the trainer had him, gave him a command, (my back was towards her and Cody) She is starting to give me back his leash and then says in a shocked voice, “I don’t believe he just shook me off” ? I am puzzled by her statement, had no idea what she was talking about. Later when I have him he shakes him self out again, like after you pet them sometimes they shake their fur loose. The trainer says, see he just shook you off, I ask her what she means, she says, you just gave him a command and he shook you off, that is him saying “I am not going to listen to you” really I say, I thought he was just shaking his hair loose. So my question is::: if you are training a dog, you give them a command and they shake their body, like they do sometimes after you pet them or brush them, Does that mean they just “shook you off” like them saying, not gonna listen to you? I never heard this before, but then again I never had to take a dog for obedience training.
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10-04-2014, 08:46 AM | #2 | |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | It kind of makes sense, and I can see why the trainer would think that, but from my reading, a dog will shake when it finds something unpleasant and intense or too stressful. Quote:
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10-04-2014, 09:03 AM | #3 | |
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10-04-2014, 09:12 AM | #4 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | You are so welcome. Actually the shaking off would be a good thing if seen in one light as being able to settle himself down and relax, and yet another light if he's just trying to say, "blank off" to you. Best of luck with the training.
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10-04-2014, 09:37 AM | #5 |
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| I think Cody was just stressed, insecure, anxious or even bored in that situation and dogs do various things to offload stress or boredom when they feel it. My Tibbe yawns when he is lightly stressed or bored. Most "professional" training sessions are 30 minutes long or more - way too long for my liking as dogs rarely can maintain much interest in training for that long. In nature, dogs don't line up for training sessions so we must keep the training very short, frequent and fun and engaging for them. It may just be body shaking is how he chose, or chooses in the future, to handle light stress or boredom. His reaction could be something in the nature of the training techniques or tone of voice, body attitude, etc., of the trainers he interacts with cause him some degree of tension or boredom. Are they/you making the training fun, interesting and upbeat for him?
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10-04-2014, 09:44 AM | #6 |
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| I don't think so. Hopefully she was just joking.
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10-04-2014, 09:46 AM | #7 |
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| This is so off topic but this thread is making me sing shake it off by Taylor Swift
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10-04-2014, 10:20 AM | #8 | |
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NO she was NOT joking, She was more like insulted that my boy would DARE dis her like that lol. I never heard of a dog shaking you off, but these lil terriers with their "attitude" I wouldn't be a bit surprised lol. lol, I love Taylor Swift
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10-04-2014, 11:50 AM | #9 |
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| [QUOTE=matese;4493363]NO, he keeps lunging at the dog he is being trained with, that's why he's in obedience training, to stop or get the lunging under control. These are one hour sessions, as we all know that is to long for terrier's, they loose interest. His interest is in getting to the other dog, I think he is frustrated because he is so close to another dog, yet not allowed to meet. The trainer thinks diff. I am no trainer of aggressive behavior, I consider what she says. I will be taking him to pet supply stores, stand outside where he can see dogs trickle in and out and work in short time spans. It was the shaking off term that threw me off. Well I now have some knowledge and can start the practice on short periods at the pet stores. As always your advise / suggestions is always appreciated and used / tried. Thank you NO she was NOT joking, She was more like insulted that my boy would DARE dis her like that lol. I never heard of a dog shaking you off, but these lil terriers with their "attitude" I wouldn't be a bit surprised lol.QUOTE] One hour! That's an eternity for a dog training session! My lord, what does this trainer expect of dogs? 3 -5 minutes 3 times a day is the best way to get started teaching a dog to control his impulses and look to you for direction. Once you have control of your dog, then you can take him out for very short, frequent socialization sessions but an hour sounds grueling for your little guy. Your dog trainer doesn't sound as if she's very dog savvy. And tell her he's not dissing her - dogs shake after getting down off the grooming table, the vet's exam table, out of a car or out of their beds, too. Body shaking occurs for various reasons but in a stressful situation, is considered displacement behavior - something they do to displace their insecurity or not knowing what else to do in the current environment they are in, showing they are not all that happy. It is NOt a sign of disrespect, though I doubt Cody has much respect for anyone that doesn't know much about natural dog behavior. Ask her to look up "dog displacement behavior" on Google. Doggone Safe - Signs of Anxiety http://www.eastbayspca.org/document.doc?id=348 Displacement behaviour | Kaye's Dog Training Courses
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10-04-2014, 12:47 PM | #10 |
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| It's not just dogs that shake off stress, my horse and parrots do it as well. I usually try to 'lighten' the mood when I see that. Relieve pressure if training or whatever, or throw in an impromptu quick little game. Something to make the 'shaker' know you understand and are willing to work with them goes a long way toward building trust and bonds, and relieving stress in both you and the animal. |
10-04-2014, 01:07 PM | #11 | |
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Many under socialized and excitable dogs have ADD-like restlessness and attention spans so trying to keep them focused and well-behaved for an hour is almost impossible. I think it's better to train dogs like that at home in how to focus on you, remain calm and keep their impulses under control in by fun, upbeat, highly rewarding, positively-reinforced very short obedience training sessions and then socialize them in very frequent trips out and about several times daily to places where dogs congregate during the day for short sessions so they gradually desensitize themselves to being around other dogs.
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10-04-2014, 02:14 PM | #12 | |
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10-04-2014, 02:31 PM | #13 | |
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10-04-2014, 02:40 PM | #14 |
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| I am not a fan of "one size fits all" dog training which is what I often have seen from dog trainers. I believe each pup is an individual and should be treated as such. I believe dog behaviorists are the better way to go. Perhaps reading some of Tamar Geller's books might help you. Here is her website....her books can be purchased on Amazon.. The Loved Dog
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