HELP....Breeder Rose Hanson My Itty Bitty Yorkies

[shelbysmom]

While AKC is a good indication that the dog is pure Yorkie, it doesn't mean anything about the health of the dog. The only way to get the healthiest dog possible is buying from a reputable breeder that knows what they are doing. Reputable breeders know what traits to weed out and how to continue good lines of dogs.

Even under the best circumstances these dogs can have issues. I had a long time breeder that was tired and wanted to mentor me so I could continue her line. No way did I want that kind of responsibility, heartache, financial pressure and commitment. Breeding means so much more than a few cute puppies.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

I received the telephone number of an official to contact here - and the AKC returned my phone call. Before any of that - I am still going to give the breeder a chance to do the right thing. Because I think everyone deserves the chance to make good on their business obligations before turning involving officials....this may be a misunderstanding. I now see the "flags"....but have requested her attorney's contact information so we can communicate. I think the registration of a litter and involvement of AKC is critical with our dogs, to ensure against birth defects and defects known to our breed (i.e. liver shunt). Wolfgang was sold to me with all precautions by Ron-Del, because he was so small - I even had to enter an agreement he would go nowhere near my pool. That's how much they loved their puppies. So good breeders do exist. People also have honest misunderstandings. My hope in mankind is fading in so many areas...I hope this turns out to be a fixable misunderstanding. On an official note - I will keep the forum updated on all that I learn officially - although you all are clearly the experts. Like I would not blink at a business having a paypal link.....I never even thought of that. And I did "buy the breeder" first, or so I thought. I have not received her attorney's info. yet, but I am sure I will. I will apprise you of the outcome - and most importantly on the development of my wonderful little Axel. He is the apple of my eye. Thank you Yorkie mommies and daddys. My daughter has decided she will just have 1 yorkie instead of the house full of her own litter she hoped for. I really liked Rose and her set up (although I don't know what to look for like you guys do)....I hope all turns out to be cool.

Your bolded statement above that the AKC does anything more for a consumer than registering a dog's Pedigree in incorrect. They do not track genetic issues or defects. As for breeding right, your dog does not need to be registered with the AKC to breed. Without the AKC registration any litters of puppies that might be produced could not be registered to the AKC. That's about it when it comes to the AKC.

Sadly, there are unscrupulous breeders that will falsify pedigrees all in the name of $$$$. There is at least one such story on YT where a member actually ask how to go about doing this which is shockingly pretty simple.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

Help.....On Feb. 19, 2014, my beloved Wolfgang died suddenly. He was a small Yorkie, and the love of our lives. He was 9 years old. I was so grief stricken that my hubby suggested I buy another Yorkie...I found a local breeder - Rose Hanson in Sun Valley California. Her website is myittybittyyorkies.com. I got our second Yorkie Axel in April. He was five months old. I paid $1500.00, $500 or more less, because he had allegedly been returned by the previous purchaser who did not have the time to deal with 2 new yorkies.
We discovered within days that he had a skin infection which she said was ringworm. The breeder sent him home with treatment for giardia and I went back to her for ringworm shampoo and ointment. I took him to our vet, had his skin tested and it was not ringworm. The doctor gave me different medication (for a bacterial infection) and it cleared up. The breeder refused to pay for the vet bills, but I am a lawyer and was actually happy my husband wasn't going to force me to duke it out in court. I get tired of people suing people.
I specifically purchased Axel un-neutered, so we can breed him, and my daughter was going to buy a female (for us....and not for a business). I contacted "natalies yorkies" on Rose's website to see if she had a female. In the meantime - I still have not received Axel's AKC papers. I received a text from Rose stating I purchased Axel as a "pet only" - and later a text saying she was waiting for proof he was neutered to send me his papers. Completely false. I am heartbroken because a) I trusted her; and b) I was willing to absorb vet bills she would have been responsible for because I get sick and tired of people being dishonest and having to hail people into court. Today, I was referred to the agency which licenses dog breeders - her name and address were on file and they said she is not registered nor licensed as a breeder. Can this be true? She has a website in California and at least 8 dogs....does this mean Axel cannot get AKC papers? I am hopeful the agency is wrong. My first baby - Wolfgang - came from Ron-Del Kennels in Oregon. Everyone knows they were stand up - and loved loved loved Yorkies. They were true to the breed and integrity. Does anyone know what agency I contact as a consumer? I am hopeful this is all some mix up......if you cannot trust people when buying a Yorkie then what is this world coming too. I am again heartbroken.

It is up to the consumer to thoroughly review, but I have seen many people ignore the red flags and warnings.

Why would dog breeders be any different than other sales people?

Bottom line the consumer must always do their homework.

In my mind, the world is going to hell in a handbasket with regards to animal welfare.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

I received the telephone number of an official to contact here - and the AKC returned my phone call. Before any of that - I am still going to give the breeder a chance to do the right thing. Because I think everyone deserves the chance to make good on their business obligations before turning involving officials....this may be a misunderstanding. I now see the "flags"....but have requested her attorney's contact information so we can communicate. I think the registration of a litter and involvement of AKC is critical with our dogs, to ensure against birth defects and defects known to our breed (i.e. liver shunt). Wolfgang was sold to me with all precautions by Ron-Del, because he was so small - I even had to enter an agreement he would go nowhere near my pool. That's how much they loved their puppies. So good breeders do exist. People also have honest misunderstandings. My hope in mankind is fading in so many areas...I hope this turns out to be a fixable misunderstanding. On an official note - I will keep the forum updated on all that I learn officially - although you all are clearly the experts. Like I would not blink at a business having a paypal link.....I never even thought of that. And I did "buy the breeder" first, or so I thought. I have not received her attorney's info. yet, but I am sure I will. I will apprise you of the outcome - and most importantly on the development of my wonderful little Axel. He is the apple of my eye. Thank you Yorkie mommies and daddys. My daughter has decided she will just have 1 yorkie instead of the house full of her own litter she hoped for. I really liked Rose and her set up (although I don't know what to look for like you guys do)....I hope all turns out to be cool.

Being AKC doesn't meant a dog isn't going to have genetic defects it also doesn't mean the dogs won't be inbred. Many many puppy mills and horrible breeders sell there dogs with AKC papers. I do hope things work out.

[mcleancobalt]

Yes. I am learning. My daughter bought a maltipoo? Something mixed...from a rescue. She is shocked. Lol.
I sent the 500...it was refunded back to me. But the breeder has now sent for my baby's full papers. Thank you to all of you. I will keep the community informed and am sure we will get them soon.

[pink66]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

In my mind, the world is going to hell in a handbasket with regards to animal welfare.

This about sums it up.

[mcleancobalt]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I'm so sorry both those breeders you mentioned are not reputable breeders so not only should people never buy from them but should certainly not breed there dogs. Also they have tiny yorkies and a female under 5 pounds should not be bred. If you are truely interested in breeding you really need to find a reputable breeder earn there trust, let them mentor you and see if you can breed one of there dogs. There is so much more to breeding then putting two dogs together you have to know there background and lines to make sure there has been no health issues that run in them, there is also special genetic testing that can't be done by a regular vet, the female should not be under 5 pounds and you have to realize it's not easy and if you miss even a small sign that the female is in distress you could lose her and or the pups. There is also times the mom will reject the pups or what if you lose the mom and then you have to do everything the mom dog does like feed every two hours, clean them, keep them warm, and stimulate them to potty. It will also definitely change your male. In a way it's a blessing you were drawn to this site before you bred.

Thank you. We live and learn. I am not going to breed my baby....and I told him I love him even if it turns out his mama is his sister (a joke). And yes, I praise God he is healthy right now. With all the other things I and we have to deal with, this is unfortunate. The cute bundles of love may blur the clarity of discernment. Thank you for your kind words - and to the people who private message. I will let the community know the outcome. You were instrumental in my finding Rondel Kennels....unrelated depression just has me dragging on this one. Thanks again.

[mcleancobalt]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

Help.....On Feb. 19, 2014, my beloved Wolfgang died suddenly. He was a small Yorkie, and the love of our lives. He was 9 years old. I was so grief stricken that my hubby suggested I buy another Yorkie...I found a local breeder - Rose Hanson in Sun Valley California. Her website is myittybittyyorkies.com. I got our second Yorkie Axel in April. He was five months old. I paid $1500.00, $500 or more less, because he had allegedly been returned by the previous purchaser who did not have the time to deal with 2 new yorkies.
We discovered within days that he had a skin infection which she said was ringworm. The breeder sent him home with treatment for giardia and I went back to her for ringworm shampoo and ointment. I took him to our vet, had his skin tested and it was not ringworm. The doctor gave me different medication (for a bacterial infection) and it cleared up. The breeder refused to pay for the vet bills, but I am a lawyer and was actually happy my husband wasn't going to force me to duke it out in court. I get tired of people suing people.
I specifically purchased Axel un-neutered, so we can breed him, and my daughter was going to buy a female (for us....and not for a business). I contacted "natalies yorkies" on Rose's website to see if she had a female. In the meantime - I still have not received Axel's AKC papers. I received a text from Rose stating I purchased Axel as a "pet only" - and later a text saying she was waiting for proof he was neutered to send me his papers. Completely false. I am heartbroken because a) I trusted her; and b) I was willing to absorb vet bills she would have been responsible for because I get sick and tired of people being dishonest and having to hail people into court. Today, I was referred to the agency which licenses dog breeders - her name and address were on file and they said she is not registered nor licensed as a breeder. Can this be true? She has a website in California and at least 8 dogs....does this mean Axel cannot get AKC papers? I am hopeful the agency is wrong. My first baby - Wolfgang - came from Ron-Del Kennels in Oregon. Everyone knows they were stand up - and loved loved loved Yorkies. They were true to the breed and integrity. Does anyone know what agency I contact as a consumer? I am hopeful this is all some mix up......if you cannot trust people when buying a Yorkie then what is this world coming too. I am again heartbroken.

Update Yorkie Lovers:::::First, for clarification - My deceased yorkie Wolfgang DID NOT come from My Itty Bitty Yorkies - I purchased Wolfgang from Rondels Kennels in Oregan. Secondly, and most importantly - Rose of My Itty Bitty Yorkies is working to get me full AKC papers and allowing the purchase of breeding rights on my little Axel. Today was the first day we got to talk out our differences and understand what caused a breakdown in our communication. That's women for you....no offense to men on this site, but it were left to men there would have been a declaration of war!
Joking aside: as I have always said - her dogs were adorable, home impeccable - the dogs were playing with us, each other - and I was pleased with her as a breeder. I loved her dogs, and we connected....and it has bothered me to no end that I was not getting along with Axel's first mommy. In sum, I DID do my research contrary to the opinion of some of you, Rose is great (and as sensitive as I am) and above that.....my little Yorkie Axel is PERFECTION! God is good.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

Update Yorkie Lovers:::::First, for clarification - My deceased yorkie Wolfgang DID NOT come from My Itty Bitty Yorkies - I purchased Wolfgang from Rondels Kennels in Oregan. Secondly, and most importantly - Rose of My Itty Bitty Yorkies is working to get me full AKC papers and allowing the purchase of breeding rights on my little Axel. Today was the first day we got to talk out our differences and understand what caused a breakdown in our communication. That's women for you....no offense to men on this site, but it were left to men there would have been a declaration of war!
Joking aside: as I have always said - her dogs were adorable, home impeccable - the dogs were playing with us, each other - and I was pleased with her as a breeder. I loved her dogs, and we connected....and it has bothered me to no end that I was not getting along with Axel's first mommy. In sum, I DID do my research contrary to the opinion of some of you, Rose is great (and as sensitive as I am) and above that.....my little Yorkie Axel is PERFECTION! God is good.

Reputable breeders don't just give breeding rights to everyone though or use the word teacup or breed under 5 pound females so she still is not a reputable breeder but glad y'all worked things out.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Reputable breeders don't just give breeding rights to everyone though or use the word teacup or breed under 5 pound females so she still is not a reputable breeder but glad y'all worked things out.

In a nutshell, EXACTLY....

[thelittleyorkie]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

Secondly, and most importantly - Rose of My Itty Bitty Yorkies is working to get me full AKC papers and allowing the purchase of breeding rights on my little Axel.

Let us know if you actually do receive the papers.

[mcleancobalt]

Tough crowd! Her females did not look tiny to me..they were larger than what I was seeking..the boys are small or produce small puppies.. And she normally does NOT give
breeding rights for the protection of the line and breed..she made sure of who I am and my intent. But I do appreciate you all adore Yorkies...there is no breed with the beauty brains and hutzpah our little ones have.

[mcleancobalt]

Tough crowd! Her females did not look tiny to me..they were larger than what I was seeking..the boys are small or produce small puppies.. And she normally does NOT give
breeding rights for the protection of the line and breed..she made sure of who I am and my intent. But I do appreciate you all adore Yorkies...there is no breed with the beauty brains and hutzpah our little ones have.

[thelittleyorkie]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

Tough crowd! Her females did not look tiny to me..they were larger than what I was seeking..the boys are small or produce small puppies.. And she normally does NOT give
breeding rights for the protection of the line and breed..she made sure of who I am and my intent. But I do appreciate you all adore Yorkies...there is no breed with the beauty brains and hutzpah our little ones have.

We are not trying to be rude to you or Rose. I sincerely hope you don't feel that way, and I apologize if I offended you! Most of us don't agree with Rose breeding teacups or her breeding practice and that seems to be the main issue here. Either way, I hope you continue to stay and learn new things on our forum!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by mcleancobalt

Tough crowd! Her females did not look tiny to me..they were larger than what I was seeking..the boys are small or produce small puppies.. And she normally does NOT give
breeding rights for the protection of the line and breed..she made sure of who I am and my intent. But I do appreciate you all adore Yorkies...there is no breed with the beauty brains and hutzpah our little ones have.

No we just don't like bad breeders and especially breeders who are doing a disservice to this amazing breed. Not only does she breed to get tiny yorkies she lets them go home at 8 weeks. A reputable breeder when they have tiny ones like this breeder strives to have they keep them even longer then the 12 week minimum. It's about educating people and this is a bad breeder but there's not much you can do about it at this point just neuter your boy and don't continue her lines as well as get pet insurance that covers genetic illnesses for when and if they pop up.