Everyone Please Read: Going Forward, We Must Post With More Respect Toward Others

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Piddle Place

Hey everyone, I thank you again for the the advice and friendship I find on YT. It does feel like family, and I am grateful

Come on now, group hug..

[mrsedwardslpn]

Thank you so much for this ann. Very well said. I can Definitely agree to think before I post and be kinder in my words.

[mrsedwardslpn]

Originally Posted by bjh

[McheleM]

Does this mean no more mattress tag ripping????

(There's no other place I can go and get away with that)

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by McheleM

Does this mean no more mattress tag ripping????

(There's no other place I can go and get away with that)

I think it does warrant this, it really does!

[brittanylayne]

I'm so happy to see this. I was a donating member, and loved it here until I started reading more in-depth. Then it wasn't a place I wanted to be. I had my account closed but had a problem with my yorkie and created another account because I needed an answer. But never wanted to post. Forgot about this place for a while, but I'm glad I found it again if some of the harshness and nastiness has stopped. It might be a "home" for me and my babies again. Way to go!

[dinkster]

Hi, I browsed by today after being gone or a couple of years. I did stop coming by and posting because of the way some posters treated others.

There is no tone on blogs so we don't have the benefit of being understood the same way as we would in person.
In person when we say, "I would NEVER do that!" and it would sound as if we were just shocked or reacting.
On a blog, it comes across as judgmental and as if one feels superior. Which you might in the moment, but in person the moment might pass and the you would reach out in understanding.

Posting anonymously is just not the same as speaking in person. I think as time goes on people will learn how to be polite on the Internet. It's not the same as in person communication.

[sdfh15]

It sounds quite reasonable......

[kimp5]

I hope this works. I took a break because I was tired of posting to people that were asking for help via private message to tell them not everyone feels like some do on this board. Some people got so beat up and it wasn't called for. I used to love being on here but soon grew wary of all all the bashing and contempt some had for people who may have made legitimate mistakes or because of economic reasons couldn't get their pet to a $$$$ specialist. It doesnt mean they didn't love their pet as much as anyone else.
Here's hoping for tolerance and compassion...

[Piddle Place]

Thank you,

I agree. I love seeing the beautiful Yorkies here. When breeders post new puppy photos, I am the first to click on the photos and smile. If it were not for breeders, I probably would not be in business, as breeders are one of our best customers for indoor dog toilets

On the other hand, profits from our company supports many shelters, and I volunteer at a shelter. I see many of these dogs adopted to loving homes, and I know they will have a great life. But you are correct, many of the people that come to our shelter would not have the financial means to comply with the advice given here.

Because these people may not be financially able to follow expensive advice, they still come to Yorkie talk looking for solutions. Your suggestions can be a wonderful "jumping off point" for someone to find better food for their pet, know when to take their dog to the vet, know other people have had similar problems, and share how they dealt with these issues.

I have found wonderful advice here, and I thank you all very much. When Jazz was sick, you shared recipes that were less expensive then buying dog food, and improve her health, I had never thought of buying a dog harness for my car. You never know who is coming to YT desperate for help for a sick dog, looking to you to tell us how you worked through behavior issues, keep sharing in a non-critical environment and we all benefit.

[107barney]

I think that people make choices...
You don't have to let an animal suffer if you can't afford vet care.
You should choose your priorities in life wisely.
Some people really can benefit from the suggestions offered here but those who give the advice will more often than not be left shaking their heads or feeling frustrated when the owner has some bs excuse.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I think that people make choices...
You don't have to let an animal suffer if you can't afford vet care.
You should choose your priorities in life wisely.
Some people really can benefit from the suggestions offered here but those who give the advice will more often than not be left shaking their heads or feeling frustrated when the owner has some bs excuse.

I have seen plenty of people on this forum who didn't have a lot of money for vet care find a way to care for the pup(s) they had decided to take in. They did what it took. Some of us have become very involved in helping people who were struggling...I have seen MUCH kindness on this forum. People do need to take the first step and that is not ignoring good advice and continually posting about how sick a pup is while denying it vet care. Anyone who takes that first step will always get a boost from many YTers. We are here to help but not enable people to neglect their pups. At least that is why I am here. Be darned if I will pat someone on the back and tell him/her what a great pet parent they are if they are proving not to be. "Love" is not a substitute for vet care. Sometimes people just need the truth and, while some of you may think love is enough for a pup, it is not. Just like children, we must find a way to properly care for them or we should not have them.

No one looks down on anyone due to financial constraints....but there is absolutely NO excuse for letting a pup suffer and die; and sadly over the years I have seen that happen here more times than I want to think about.

This theme gets to be so old...seriously. I hardly think that is what was meant by our moderator when she started this thread.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by kimp5

I hope this works. I took a break because I was tired of posting to people that were asking for help via private message to tell them not everyone feels like some do on this board. Some people got so beat up and it wasn't called for. I used to love being on here but soon grew wary of all all the bashing and contempt some had for people who may have made legitimate mistakes or because of economic reasons couldn't get their pet to a $$$$ specialist. It doesnt mean they didn't love their pet as much as anyone else.
Here's hoping for tolerance and compassion...

I think we all hope for tolerance and compassion, so I totally agree with you there.

I do think there is a vast difference btwn "legitimate mistakes" and "I don't have the money". When/if a person doesn't have the money to care for their fellow living being for whom they're responsible, there are options they must morally consider (imo).

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Piddle Place

Thank you,

I agree. I love seeing the beautiful Yorkies here. When breeders post new puppy photos, I am the first to click on the photos and smile. If it were not for breeders, I probably would not be in business, as breeders are one of our best customers for indoor dog toilets

On the other hand, profits from our company supports many shelters, and I volunteer at a shelter. I see many of these dogs adopted to loving homes, and I know they will have a great life. But you are correct, many of the people that come to our shelter would not have the financial means to comply with the advice given here.

Because these people may not be financially able to follow expensive advice, they still come to Yorkie talk looking for solutions. Your suggestions can be a wonderful "jumping off point" for someone to find better food for their pet, know when to take their dog to the vet, know other people have had similar problems, and share how they dealt with these issues.

I have found wonderful advice here, and I thank you all very much. When Jazz was sick, you shared recipes that were less expensive then buying dog food, and improve her health, I had never thought of buying a dog harness for my car. You never know who is coming to YT desperate for help for a sick dog, looking to you to tell us how you worked through behavior issues, keep sharing in a non-critical environment and we all benefit.

There is nothing wrong with the advise of take your dog to a vet or your dog needs to go to a vet. If you can not afforded to get proper care for dog you should not have one period. A dog should not have to suffer because someone wants a dog but not to take care of it properly.

[gemy]

My take on Wylies Mom posting this, was for us to pause a bit or a long while, grab onto our compassion, and mayhap even re-read a time or two, both the op's posting, and our response (before posting it) and then see if we want to post our response in the way it was originally fashioned.


Nobody here would agree to let a dog suffer, without either the intervention care, or the PTS option. THat ultimately is your dog owner responsibility, and no it is not always to beg for a placement at a shelter or a rescue. It can be an option for some dogs and some owners, but not for all.


What a person can or can not afford to spend in their minds eye or judgement, varies widely across all ethnicities, sexes, and economic circumstances. Most relatively good dog owners research the cost of regular vet care, feeding, training etc; most do not look at the extraordinary circumstances that may arise, and how they will deal with those health issues. Should they of course, but it is a learning curve for all pet owners.


Up until now, I have been lucky in so far, when I have had pups with expensive health issues, I have not had the competing issues of my family with health and financial needs which were beyond my capacity to meet, and I was forced to choose between a human child, sister, mother, brother, father, husband to provide health care for them, or to provide expensive health care for my dog..........


But I already know where I stand on that pendulum of uneviable choices.