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07-08-2014, 04:27 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: arvada co
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| contract & ethics Opinions please I contracted to buy a puppy male from a litter before it was here because the background of the parents seemed to be what I wanted. Won't go into lots of details right now but this is the issue. He is not turning out to be what I wanted. I thought he would be small and a good possibility for show. He is not small. Breeder said this is biggest puppies she has ever had. She has been absolutely great but-------I thought dad was proven and she knew a bit about what he produced. This is his first litter. She is having trouble with ears. I had made a reservation to fly in and pick up pup at close to 12 weeks because when I used to breed (in the ancient day) , I never let a yorkie go until about then. He is 7 weeks and she said this week or next. Explained about flight. She said ok, would only owe for additional shots.(?) I always vaxed a pup up to date as long as they were in my care and never charged. This made me very uncomfortable. Not until after I paid deposit did the price go on her website. I had a ballpark idea but it came in pretty high. $1600 or $1875 with AKC. Now she is telling me how lonely he is going to be because his sister is leaving this weekend. I am very tempted to sacrafice the $500 deposit and walk. Please tell me your opinions as I have not been a breeder in over 20 years. I am older and want a small happy family. I can't collect dogs and I want the ones I have to be mine forever. By the way. Decided since we are starting over our new name will be Phoenix Rising. Last edited by merripups; 07-08-2014 at 04:30 PM. Reason: wrong number keyed in |
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07-08-2014, 05:03 PM | #3 |
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| You talk about potentially showing and that you were a breeder (and may be starting over?), so I'm assuming you're buying a dog you won't be required to neuter and will have breeding rights? If such is the case, the price is at the low end of the spectrum. It sounds like this guy does not meet you're requirements, so I would walk. A dog, especially a yorkie as they usually live longer than larger dogs, is a long term commitment. Get what you want! Get what you'll be happiest with. If this pup isn't it, look elsewhere.
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07-08-2014, 05:08 PM | #4 | |
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I have to say she is not vaccinating according to the AAHA standards as their first shots are not until 10 wks old. And 12 wks old is still what is recommended for pups to leave home. I think you walk on this puppy, as he is not what you had wanted, and her methods/treatment of you seems to be less than ideal. And depending about your verbal and written agreements I would ask for my deposit back too
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07-08-2014, 05:51 PM | #5 |
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| I agree with Kazzy and Gemy. The price is on the low side if this pup is a potential show dog/breeding dog. $1600 is common for a pet quality AKC male Yorkie. Other concerns too. If the pup is not what you are looking for, I would keep looking.
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07-08-2014, 06:22 PM | #6 |
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| You say you are looking to possibly show, now he is not turning out to be what you wanted, you sound disappointed, I would walk. You buy this pup, guaranteed you will be out again looking for show quality. If you don't want to collect dogs,walk on this one and find your lil show baby. I would take the $500. loss if she won't return your deposit, never settle for what is a life time commitment. Good luck on your discussion.
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07-08-2014, 07:53 PM | #7 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: arvada co
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| Not good at this. Sorry. Breeder is in Georgia. My concerns are centered around what I would have done or not done under same circumstances. Charging more for AKC papers & vaccinations. Not discussing possiblities of using deposit on different pup or returning any portion since pup is so not what we thought it would be and sending home so early. Even suggesting there would be no hard feelings if I forfeited deposit on this one. Do not know world of internet puppies and such. Really need to know about ethics that are to be expected in todays world even if they are very different from what I will ask of myself. I grew up with these words from my father" If you have to ask yourself if something is right or not, you have the answer already. It is not" |
07-08-2014, 08:26 PM | #8 |
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| This is not a good breeder I personally would walk but that really is your choice.
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07-08-2014, 08:50 PM | #9 | |
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07-09-2014, 04:14 AM | #10 | |
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Typically the price of a puppy reflects everything the breeder may have put into the puppy: genetic testing of parents, vet care, research, showing and championing the parents for evaluation, AKC registration, and so on. Taking care of a puppy for 12 weeks (the ideal) costs more than 8 weeks. I have mixed feelings about deposits. In your case, the breeder mislead you about the sire, whether or not he was 'proven.' I think she should refund your deposit.
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07-09-2014, 05:02 AM | #11 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: arvada co
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| Thank you all so much. I also made a commitment to her. I guess maybe that is what is bothering me a lot. By not fulfilling my part of the bargain, I sacrifice the deposit. I would like to know if you were in her shoes, would you feel this is fair of me, or do I owe her more in some fashion? As an aside that is very important, I need to know, along the way here, what are now the correct tests and such that I should be doing. Most of what I have read about weren't there in the day, and I do not want to be -----I want to do it right and need the new knowledge. Thank you all for being so gracious. |
07-09-2014, 07:10 AM | #12 | |
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Find a reputable breeder, and then choose a puppy.
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07-09-2014, 07:27 AM | #13 | |
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If you want to forfeit your deposit then do so. But do not feel obligated to purchase a non show quality dog when you want a show quality dog. In terms of testing and health and such I am going to direct you to first www.ytca.org to review what they have to say. Then in our library here there is an article entitled Top Health Concerns of Yorkies. Our Sick and Emergency thread will be a real eye opener for you to understand how YTs have multiple health concerns. My suggestion is to start to go to shows in your area and meet the breeders of the current Yorkies showing. Join a local breed club if it is for YT great or Toy Dogs great, or even just a general club. Network, find out who is who in todays world. Start following the show world through on line publications etc.
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07-09-2014, 07:38 AM | #14 | |
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I hope this woman is not a YTCA breeder member because there is so much "wrong" in what she has done. How can you pre-sell a show promise puppy when the litter is not even on the ground yet? And my breeder friends of Yorkies tell me that you truly need about 6months to understand with reasonable certainty that this dog is show quality. I am very leery of internet only transactions, I like to meet the breeder, the dogs in question and look at their lines. I also rely on a network of breeder friends to for instance go examine a litter in Europe that I am interested in, or in the States.... Good luck and keep us posted.
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07-09-2014, 07:41 AM | #15 |
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| is this person a show breeder? I am confused did you want to start showing again, if so why not buy from a show breeder in CO
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