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Old 07-17-2013, 11:24 AM   #31
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And I could say the same for dairy, legumes, and grains, none of which I consume. GMOs include more than soy, just look at wheat, it's more of a franken food than soy.
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Anyone care to explain this lay terms? The only thing I got out of it is the cruelty aspect (thanks Cathy)...I will be the first to admit I am ignorant on this topic...how is feather meal any worse than say bone meal? There are so many additives that I literally only feed mine what I've learned from the people I trust here.
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Ahh yes, worms and feathers.
Not digging the worm idea. Bugs are permitted in our food though.

Paying scientists for ten years to develop this feather diet was likely far more expensive than just putting good quality jeat in the food. i don't think anybody including RC is telling owners of healthy pets to feed this. It fills a huge need for a very small number of dogs - dogs that cannot eat animal protein and do not do well on things like soy. It is for extreme allergies and intolerances - something that is understandably very hard to consider bc dgs are seen as meat eaters.

Ellie does well on her soy pellets.
uf she didn't we would absolutely consider this food if it was a bit lower in fat. And homecooking is a nice thought, but some can't even tolerate that. I could spend months looking for ingredients that cause Ellie no severe symptoms. Probem is...she would have severe symtoms in the process including life threateningones.
My friends Yorkie was severely attacked by a neighbours GS and as a consequence of surgery stress and infection has lost the ability to absorb protein. Now she has no option but to feed probably similar soy pellets to you. She also requires calcium supplements and vitamins. It's very sad.

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Need to ask, why such a hate on for Dr. Karen Becker, as I wouldn't think someone who is looking out for the best health and most natural ways of caring for our pets and animals, would meet with such angst every time she's mentioned.
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When you have a normal healthy dog you have loads of options of what to feed your dog. You can feed whatever you see fit.

But when you have a sick dog with severe illnesses/ issues..That is NOT the option. I homecook for Taycie currently right now via a nutrition consultation with BCVN.

Taycie has 2 options at this point in her life. Purina HA or Home cooked. And she is the ripe old age of 3. I don't really have many options.

Food makes her sick. Period. I have tried many. After a $1,400 hospitalization and $2,000 for exploratory surgery and biopsy.. I PROMISE you just want them to live. Not to mention the many sleepless nights that lead up to all of that. The countless trips for vomiting and diaherra.

Ingredients are the least of your worries. I can see the Science behind it. I am thankful for it. Before Taycie's diagnosis of MVD she ate Royal Canin HA and Science Diet ZD. Why did she eat this?? Because she can not tolerate anything. When it comes down to what they can tolerate... You feed what keeps them alive. Plain and simple.

Personally.. I don't care what people feed. But remember to look on both sides.. What one dog will do GREAT dog on.. One will fail. This food is designed for dogs with severe allergies. Not a healthy dog. Many don't even have to worry about this. But I promise you this.. when you see your dog suffer and NOTHING works.. You feed what keeps them alive. Because in the end, that is the most important!
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When you have a normal healthy dog you have loads of options of what to feed your dog. You can feed whatever you see fit.

But when you have a sick dog with severe illnesses/ issues..That is NOT the option. I homecook for Taycie currently right now via a nutrition consultation with BCVN.

Taycie has 2 options at this point in her life. Purina HA or Home cooked. And she is the ripe old age of 3. I don't really have many options.

Food makes her sick. Period. I have tried many. After a $1,400 hospitalization and $2,000 for exploratory surgery and biopsy.. I PROMISE you just want them to live. Not to mention the many sleepless nights that lead up to all of that. The countless trips for vomiting and diaherra.

Ingredients are the least of your worries. I can see the Science behind it. I am thankful for it. Before Taycie's diagnosis of MVD she ate Royal Canin HA and Science Diet ZD. Why did she eat this?? Because she can not tolerate anything. When it comes down to what they can tolerate... You feed what keeps them alive. Plain and simple.

Personally.. I don't care what people feed. But remember to look on both sides.. What one dog will do GREAT dog on.. One will fail. This food is designed for dogs with severe allergies. Not a healthy dog. Many don't even have to worry about this. But I promise you this.. when you see your dog suffer and NOTHING works.. You feed what keeps them alive. Because in the end, that is the most important!
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When you have a normal healthy dog you have loads of options of what to feed your dog. You can feed whatever you see fit.

But when you have a sick dog with severe illnesses/ issues..That is NOT the option. I homecook for Taycie currently right now via a nutrition consultation with BCVN.

Taycie has 2 options at this point in her life. Purina HA or Home cooked. And she is the ripe old age of 3. I don't really have many options.

Food makes her sick. Period. I have tried many. After a $1,400 hospitalization and $2,000 for exploratory surgery and biopsy.. I PROMISE you just want them to live. Not to mention the many sleepless nights that lead up to all of that. The countless trips for vomiting and diaherra.

Ingredients are the least of your worries. I can see the Science behind it. I am thankful for it. Before Taycie's diagnosis of MVD she ate Royal Canin HA and Science Diet ZD. Why did she eat this?? Because she can not tolerate anything. When it comes down to what they can tolerate... You feed what keeps them alive. Plain and simple.

Personally.. I don't care what people feed. But remember to look on both sides.. What one dog will do GREAT dog on.. One will fail. This food is designed for dogs with severe allergies. Not a healthy dog. Many don't even have to worry about this. But I promise you this.. when you see your dog suffer and NOTHING works.. You feed what keeps them alive. Because in the end, that is the most important!
I hear you. All kinds of food needs to be made since some dogs will no doubt need it and only it. My Jilly was restricted to a single food and anytime I tried to slowly change her to something better, we were back at the vet's office by Day 2 of adding some small amount of the new ingredient. NOTHING else worked for her. Boy was I glad to find something she could eat and stay well on. And she lived to age 13 - a 3 lb. runt with many physical problems so she did pretty good getting by on her one food product.
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Alfie,s Doggie Dermatologist put him on Royal Canin Anallergenic and he has done very well on it.
The laws about ingredients lists is I think different here in UK. I have listed them below.

COMPOSITION: maize starch, feather hydrolysate with low molecular weight (source of L amino acids and oligopeptides), copra oil, soya oil, minerals, vegetable fibres, chicory pulp, fructo-oligo-saccharides, fish oil, mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids esterified with citric acid, animal fat, marigold extract (source of lutein). ADDITIVES (per kg): Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 30600 IU, Vitamin D3: 800 IU, E1 (Iron): 42 mg, E2 (Iodine): 3.7 mg, E4 (Copper): 13 mg, E5 (Manganese): 55 mg, E6 (Zinc): 198 mg, E8 (Selenium): 0.1 mg - Preservatives - Antioxidants. ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS: Protein: 18% - Fat content: 16.5% - Crude ash: 8.8% - Crude fibres: 2.2% - Essential fatty acids: 41.8 g/kg.
- See more at: Anallergenic - Royal Canin

Alfie was really miserable before we started on this and he was still very, very young. Before and after pics are below.

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Here he is now
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Obviously there were other treatments involved but this food suits him and he is much healthier and happier so, I am happy too.
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Oh and another with his lovely tail
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He looks so much better! And what a relief I am sure you felt! Exactly my point. He needed it. Because it was designed to help dogs like him
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Well every time I turn around its another food that isn't good for your dog. I don't think anyone is trying to feed their pups bad food as someone insinuated. I for one feed Jess Royal Canin because it was one of the few NOT recalled. Shes never had a problem with it either. So do I switch to blue buffalo until they have a problem, and then to fromms until they have one and then canine caviar until they have one? Then finally have a dog who is so messed up from switching foods so often she ends up on medication?
Home cooking is just not feasible for some of us. I have 4 kids, a husband a house and a business. My hats off to those who can squeeze it in. I just cant. Besides most likely whatever I make will entail supplements that will end up on a recall list sooner or later anyway...
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Alfie,s Doggie Dermatologist put him on Royal Canin Anallergenic and he has done very well on it.
The laws about ingredients lists is I think different here in UK. I have listed them below.

COMPOSITION: maize starch, feather hydrolysate with low molecular weight (source of L amino acids and oligopeptides), copra oil, soya oil, minerals, vegetable fibres, chicory pulp, fructo-oligo-saccharides, fish oil, mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids esterified with citric acid, animal fat, marigold extract (source of lutein). ADDITIVES (per kg): Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 30600 IU, Vitamin D3: 800 IU, E1 (Iron): 42 mg, E2 (Iodine): 3.7 mg, E4 (Copper): 13 mg, E5 (Manganese): 55 mg, E6 (Zinc): 198 mg, E8 (Selenium): 0.1 mg - Preservatives - Antioxidants. ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS: Protein: 18% - Fat content: 16.5% - Crude ash: 8.8% - Crude fibres: 2.2% - Essential fatty acids: 41.8 g/kg.
- See more at: Anallergenic - Royal Canin

Alfie was really miserable before we started on this and he was still very, very young. Before and after pics are below.

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Here he is now
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Obviously there were other treatments involved but this food suits him and he is much healthier and happier so, I am happy too.
I'll bet your would pay any amount of money for that bag of food that he can eat and keeps him from going through all that he went through! That red, hairless skin just hurts me to look at - I can imagine the misery of constant, unremitting itching and how maddening and stressful it was for Alfie. I'm so glad you found something that could help him. A dog's quality of life, to me, is extremely important. Having run into food allergy with Tibbe, I saw the agony food can cause an allergic dog. Dog food that will give a dog the nutrition it needs to live, one with no known health dangers attached to it, and consists of ingredients that a dog can eat that won't make his life miserable, is almost literally worth its weight in gold to me, whatever it is made of. If this RC food in that article can help a dog with food-related issues, when no other food works, then good for the manufacturer for developing and making it.
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Ahh yes, worms and feathers.
Not digging the worm idea. Bugs are permitted in our food though.

Paying scientists for ten years to develop this feather diet was likely far more expensive than just putting good quality jeat in the food. i don't think anybody including RC is telling owners of healthy pets to feed this. It fills a huge need for a very small number of dogs - dogs that cannot eat animal protein and do not do well on things like soy. It is for extreme allergies and intolerances - something that is understandably very hard to consider bc dgs are seen as meat eaters.Ellie does well on her soy pellets.
uf she didn't we would absolutely consider this food if it was a bit lower in fat. And homecooking is a nice thought, but some can't even tolerate that. I could spend months looking for ingredients that cause Ellie no severe symptoms. Probem is...she would have severe symtoms in the process including life threateningones.
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As I said, the proof is in the pudding....
I am thrilled for Alfie!!!!



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Alfie,s Doggie Dermatologist put him on Royal Canin Anallergenic and he has done very well on it.
The laws about ingredients lists is I think different here in UK. I have listed them below.

COMPOSITION: maize starch, feather hydrolysate with low molecular weight (source of L amino acids and oligopeptides), copra oil, soya oil, minerals, vegetable fibres, chicory pulp, fructo-oligo-saccharides, fish oil, mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids esterified with citric acid, animal fat, marigold extract (source of lutein). ADDITIVES (per kg): Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 30600 IU, Vitamin D3: 800 IU, E1 (Iron): 42 mg, E2 (Iodine): 3.7 mg, E4 (Copper): 13 mg, E5 (Manganese): 55 mg, E6 (Zinc): 198 mg, E8 (Selenium): 0.1 mg - Preservatives - Antioxidants. ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS: Protein: 18% - Fat content: 16.5% - Crude ash: 8.8% - Crude fibres: 2.2% - Essential fatty acids: 41.8 g/kg.
- See more at: Anallergenic - Royal Canin

Alfie was really miserable before we started on this and he was still very, very young. Before and after pics are below.

Attachment 389285

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Here he is now
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Obviously there were other treatments involved but this food suits him and he is much healthier and happier so, I am happy too.
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Need to ask, why such a hate on for Dr. Karen Becker, as I wouldn't think someone who is looking out for the best health and most natural ways of caring for our pets and animals, would meet with such angst every time she's mentioned.
I can only speak for myself.....I dont hate Dr.Becker....I even subscribe to her newsletter. I always try to get all sides of a story or study or thought process.......I question anyone that recommends one thing over another, or if someone starts running down something, I want to know what they have based all their comments on. I have found very few people recommend products of ANY kind, to anyone, with out it being beneficial for them somewhere along the way....I always look for how THEY are benefitting from recommending a particular product. If someone is recommending something, and they have no horse in the race, GREAT!! They have caught my attention!!!.... then the next thing I look for is proof and accuracy of what they are saying. If the advocate has examples of studies where it has been shown that what they are saying is true, I will look closer, deeper. I shake out their "opinion" from actual evidenced based results that prove what they are telling me, is fact. I dont ever take anyones word for anything, unquestioned....I never have, in any area of my life. I guess my parents instilled that in me from a very early age....and anytime they told me something they intended for me to accept as fact, they provided reasons and examples of why what they were saying was indeed, truthful and factual, and not just their opinion.
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