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07-14-2013, 04:51 PM | #1 |
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| Yorkies on Dog Whisperer The final third of this episode features 2 darling, sassy Yorkies. Watch Dog Whisperer | The Incredible Hulk online | Free | Hulu
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07-14-2013, 05:28 PM | #2 |
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| Thanks for sharing! Sometimes I don't agree with how he does things so I kind of quit watching the show. I used to watch it all the time. I'll try to catch this later tonight when I settle down for the evening.
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07-14-2013, 05:48 PM | #3 | |
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I'll check it out and see if I've seen it before. And if I can see everything he does wrong.
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07-14-2013, 05:51 PM | #4 |
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| Well those dogs needed some help, that's for sure!
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07-14-2013, 06:02 PM | #5 |
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| I watched it, he said their determination made them harder than a pitbull to train to the new behavior. I use a sound for mine, but I need to be more consistent. Thanks for the video, I liked watching it!
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07-14-2013, 06:39 PM | #6 |
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| I just watched it
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07-14-2013, 06:39 PM | #7 |
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| What do you all think of the way he trains dogs?
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07-14-2013, 07:34 PM | #8 |
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| I haven't watched this one yet, but as a rule, I don't like how he trains. He uses those spike collars and I feel the whole "pack leader" thing is over stressed. I find Victoria Stillwell's methods of positive reinforcement much more palatable and effective. Caesars methods might work on pit bulls or another fighting-type dog that is not incredibly smart, but I don't see them being as effective on a yorkie, and sometimes I think they border on cruel.
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07-14-2013, 07:57 PM | #9 | |
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I like Victoria, too.
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07-14-2013, 08:14 PM | #10 |
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| His methods of training have. Been banned in some countries. I don't like his shows or his domination ideas and don't watch anymore. |
07-14-2013, 08:49 PM | #11 |
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| First, I do not even consider Cesar a dog trainer. He himself claims to train people, not the dogs. He 'rehabilitates' dogs using a method that was debunked by the very people who came up with the theory. See De-Bunking the "Alpha Dog" Theory - Whole Dog Journal Article Keep in mind, I'm somewhat of a 'crossover' as I used to defend Cesar to no end (thankfully, never was stupid enough to actually use his methods on my boy, as I never had a 'need'). I'm so glad I opened my eyes. If anyone EVER touched my dog the way he does to dogs, they'd have their face kicked in by me. Jackson is one of the most well behaved dogs that I know, and yes I'm biased, lol, but it's true, he really is. His biggest issue is he will alert bark when someone new walks in the door. He stops when I tell him 'enough'. If Cesar walked in my door, and started 'cshh'ing and poking him, Jackson would completely have a breakdown and probably never trust people again. All it takes it for the new person to walk in, let them sniff his hand, maybe give him a treat, I let him know it's okay and all is well with the world. It breaks my heart to see how the dogs will cower into 'submission' and it makes me think if MY dog was in that situation. Cesar torments dogs .... he gets them into defensive behavior, agitates them on purpose to push them past their limit, and then hurts them for it (gets them into trouble). The psychological damage he causes dogs is ridiculous. They live in a constant state of worry, stress and helplessness. Chronic stress, as most know, does a lot of harm to living beings both physiologically and psychologically ... raises blood pressure, respiration rate, and heart rate, increases cortisol levels and adrenalin, among other physically damaging things when they're so high and constant. He literally knows nothing about dog behavior and goes on and on about how 'dominant' a dog is without paying any attention the signs a dog is giving us. I can't believe that at one time I was so blind to not see it while watching his show. REALLY learn about dog behavior - read and study up on canine body language and then watch Cesar's show ... even better... watch it in silence! Watch the dogs body language when interacting with Cesar. Yes I love that he preaches exercise and being calm. But honestly? That's about it these days. After seeing the Holly video () , which is a fairly recent video, I was totally done with him. It's very odd to me because he does truly seem to love dogs, but it's like his pride and ego can't get in the way and say 'I was wrong' and try to listen to the current SCIENCE of dog training. He's got to have this macho domineering image. Just let it go, dude. I've also watched dogs in person become ruined by these methods. I dogsit a Rottweiler from puppyhood (8 weeks old) and watched the owner pull these Cesar Millan dominance crap on him and by 2 years old, he was a broken down dog. He did not trust people, was not trusted around them, and turned somewhat aggressive. But god was he smart. He had so much potential. I taught him so many things without ever using so called 'dominance'. Don't get me wrong, I'm not all 'oh everything will be happy dandy if all is positive'. I yell at the dogs sometimes when I'm irritated, I tell them 'no', sometimes I make them do things they don't want to do. I do not believe prong collars are all evil, or invisible fences should be banned. But there is no reason to treat a dog like he does. That is not training. And 95% of the 'training' Cesar does is not. I just feel sad for all the dogs who are suffering because of people trying imitate his methods and failing.
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07-14-2013, 09:53 PM | #12 |
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| Hi everyone. I have to respectfully disagree with some of the points above. As a dog trainer myself I can say that Cesar has inspired many pet owners to acknowledge and seek out the understanding of their dog and the needs of the dog as separate from the human needs from the dog, psychologically speaking. You can put 10 dog trainers - heck 10 dog parents, in the same room and they all will have a different idea of how things should be done. Cesar has a deep passion for animals and pure love in his heart for their well being. I applaud any person or thing that can bring together a group of people who want what's best for their dogs. Is there one right way to do something, especially dog training, obedience? No. Should Cesar's entertainment show be the only means for a dog parent to learn how to teach their dog basic obedience? Absolutely not. I find Cesar to be a great resource and work with a colleague trained directly by Cesar at the Dog Psychology Center. Using Cesar's techniques daily, I can certainly attest for the fact that our energy and what we project on to our dogs is a huge factor in their behavior, confidence, health, etc. I could go on and on. I appreciate his show for what it is, it should be used as just a part of a healthy balanced education on the needs of your dog. His worldview on how dogs live in the moment and relishing being in the "now" with your dog, the enjoyment of spending time with your dog - these things are priceless and should be shared by all who parent a dog.
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07-14-2013, 11:12 PM | #13 |
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| I also am probably in the minority. I would never use a spike collar on any dog but I have learned alot about myself and how I come across to animals watching his show. I watched the yorkie episode and he seemed to be very gentle with them. I always wondered if he used the same methods with smaller and bigger dogs but in this episode he even told the people that you didn't have to actually touch the dog just put your hand close so they can feel your energy.
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07-15-2013, 01:11 AM | #14 |
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| Personally, I have learned a lot by watching some of these shows. However, we do not seem to get it on cable anymore, because they switched stations. Is there another way to watch the shows?
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07-15-2013, 02:00 AM | #15 | |
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A lot of dog training is basic common sense and I've learnt A LOT from Cesar about calm assertive energy, body posture and approaching dogs properly Same with Victoria Stillwell and Ian Dunbar - they use a few of the same methods as Cesar. With training I think it's a case of adapting the training to what works with your dog....just like children, all dogs are different and need different techniques. My whippet Tina would do anything for a piece of cooked sausage or smoky ham yet, years earlier, Skye the border collie totally blanked food - a ball was her motivation Pronged collars, from what I've seen, have been on the owner's dogs before Cesar starts training them - he just works with what is available. If there's one thing which Cesar HAS emphasised more than anything it's that folk just don't exercise their dogs enough!!!! I lost count of how many dogs were naughty because they were bored and bouncing off the walls with built up energy because the poor mites were only walked two/three times A WEEK!!!! Crikey, my whippet Tina was out 3 times daily for an average of 3 hours during a normal day when I was at work (exercise in morning & at lunchtime and longer walk in evening). On my day off or holidays we'd be out 6+ hours and she revelled in it I'm sure my Yorkie will be the same once she is fully grown Not sure if it's the same in the USA but here in the UK it's, at times, considered a hangable offence to say no to your kids or dogs with the result that an awful lot ARE absolute out-of-control monsters who throw an absolute tantrum if anyone dares to try to stop them doing anything All these do-gooders seem to think that they are fluffy little angels who can do no wrong but, in a real world, you HAVE to say no or occasionally physically restrain them from doing something which will get them into trouble.....if you don't the result is dogs that are put down before they're 18 months old and teenagers terrorising the neighbourhood and running riot TBH I think a LOT of what he does could be applied to children too - exercise, discipline and THEN affection! I did it with my niece 21 years ago and she's turned out perfectly ok Has anyone seen his new series on Sky where he gets a dog from a rescue kennel and finds him/her a new home with suitable owners? They had a VERY lively, out-of-control Yorkie on episode 3 I think it was yet with just a little training and exercise she became a completely different dog | |
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