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03-13-2013, 12:16 PM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Furville, CA
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| Puppy Shopping ??? My daughter in law is interested in getting a puppy like mine but I don't think my son will ever pay what I paid for mine so we're looking around. A friend of mine has 10 week old puppies from a rescue dog she has and bred with a smaller registered male. Her dog weighs around 6 pounds and is 9.5 inches tall and I'd say it's silky terrier. It looks like a silky with who she had crossed with a full bred yorkie. She said they've crossed them twice and now she's not interested in ever doing it again. Regarding weight/size: The puppy my dil may be interested in weighs about 36 oz at 10 weeks. I'm thinking, how big is this little fellow going to be being it's not 12-13 weeks yet? Even that's a guess. It looks about as big as my puppy at 13-14 weeks. Does a couple of weeks make that big of a difference? Regarding fur: Some of the puppies I thought looked like chorkie's but then I found some silky terriers that have short fur and I'm almost certain the mother is a silky. Some of the puppies were fur balls like mine. My friend said the ones with short fur grew fur like the mother, not as much as the father and the fur balls grew fur like the father. I guess there's no question here, just making sense of what i saw. I'd feel bad if my dil got a tea pot, not that they aren't adorable, but that's not what she is looking for. She'd like a 6 pound or less dog as she's petite. Without being able to afford a dog with papers or the option to have papers, it may be better I stay out of it and if there's a problem, will not be my fault! Last edited by furrybaby; 03-13-2013 at 12:20 PM. |
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03-13-2013, 01:01 PM | #2 | |
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03-13-2013, 01:10 PM | #3 |
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| That's alright, no words needed for that. Probably a good idea to stay away since we know of no history of liver splints ect. On the other hand, the dogs may be just fine. The registered dog is a friend of hers. Not illegal nor ideal I know. Last edited by furrybaby; 03-13-2013 at 01:11 PM. |
03-13-2013, 02:36 PM | #4 |
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| Yeah I agree and what kind of rescue doesn't either spay of have a spay contract?
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03-13-2013, 03:01 PM | #5 |
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| My friend rescued it from the neighbor's house after the owners left it behind when they moved. |
03-13-2013, 03:43 PM | #6 | |
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Ok for what it is worth, the purchase price of a puppy is only a small part of ownership and relatively inexpensive compared to possible Vet bills, kennel bills, whatever comes up bills and of course, feeding a decent diet for the dog. Just because it is a mix does not mean there won't be problems. they can have very sensitive stomaches, allergies develop any chronic medical condition as any other purebreed registered might do. HOwever you purchase a purebred registered they know their line and you do or should get some sort of guarantees with it. A little story. I do mobile dog grooming. A client with a small dog mix of 4 breeds turned 5 years old and shortly afterwards went down on the back end. Diagnosis, disc issues that exists in Dachs, poodles, lhasas. He is all these breeds plus Yorkie. The owners opted for surgery to save him which cost them $8,000. No guarantee it will work but it did. Pup or dog breaks a leg, $2,000- $3,000 vet bill. Has some issues that requires overnight hospital and treatment, issue has come out of nowhere dog or pup is suddenly sick. Better hope it is when your vet clinic is open as that can run easily to and over $1,000 without considering a emerg clinic. I don't want to be doom and gloom but the fact is dog ownership has to be carefully considered before committing including financial costs for them for Veterinary services which ahs gone through the roof evrywhere. It is not just a matter of can I afford the purchase price. | |
03-15-2013, 08:15 PM | #7 |
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| After thinking about this for several days, my friend decided to sell her smallest little fellow of 7. It was discussed as a family the pros and cons of this particular situation. My son cannot afford a puppy from the breeder I used. If he went to a shelter, he could adopt a dog with no health history and be stuck with the doctor bills that could come from that "dumped" animal. Or if they went with this pup, we know that the father is a registered healthy dog, and at least there is a 3 year history with the rescue dog. The vet checked the dog and said it's definitely a yorkie and was 5 years old. We know that the previous litter from these two particular parents so far have turned out healthy, no liver shunts. So I'm definitely more in the favor of having them take this pup over another, if they are unable to buy from the same breeder I used. Makes sense, no? I read that typically liver shunts will show up as soon as 6 months to 6 years. Regarding size...this dog pare had an 11 pound teapot last batch. It was the largest of the puppies and the "odd" ball the owner said. Looked different than all of the other puppies. The smallest of this litter, I mean, at 11 weeks, is there any way to tell if he'd be a tea pot in the end? Curious with what other people have found with the runt, I guess. The runt of 7, that's a big batch of puppies!!!! isn't it? The owner of the father said the little guy looks just like the father, so I'm anxious to see pictures of him. Last edited by furrybaby; 03-15-2013 at 08:18 PM. |
03-16-2013, 12:52 AM | #8 | |
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| Why does he need a dog right now? Even if he does go the mixed-breed route, I would encourage him to only do so once he's put away an emergency fund specifically for the dog (or future dog) as to not cripple his own personal finances should something go wrong.. because when you love a dog, you'll do anything you can to keep that dog healthy. Quote:
Please discuss the potential costs of owning a puppy, and help him figure out if he can afford a Yorkie. Keep in mind, getting a rescue is always an option.. and they're already vaccinated and altered. In the first YEAR your son owns this dog, he is likely to incur the following costs: $125 Food. My 5lb dog eats 1 bag of $15 Evo per month. She's a light eater, YPMV. $30 Collar, Leash, Tag $120 Two vet exam fees. (just to have the vet look at the dog) $150 vaccinations $120 flea/tick/heartworm preventative $45 microchip $200 Neuter (unless we're continuing in its fathers footsteps) $30 crate $50 grooming supplies (assuming that isn't done professionally) $15 City License fee $100 toys/treats/clothes $125 (optional) Pet insurance $15/mo ---------- $1110 is where we're at now , and please remember, that's only the first year, assuming nothing goes wrong. The following things could also happen. - Dog has an emergency or trauma (as Lorraine said) $500-$3000 vet fees. - Dog needs to be boarded $30-60/day. - Dog needs to fly w/ you. $75-150 for each direction of flying (fee X 2 for a round trip) - Pet deposit for rental. $150-500 - Pet rent for rental. $20-60 per month. ($240-720/yr) I don't mean in any way to chastise you or your son, and I do hope you take this into consideration. | |
03-16-2013, 06:40 AM | #9 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Furville, CA
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| What an interesting topic, cost of owning a yorkie in different parts around the world! |
03-16-2013, 07:30 AM | #10 |
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| I hope some others will chime in. It does concern me a little of my dil buying a runt. There is another male that is a little larger. My question is about the size of the litter. There are 7 puppies total. Not knowing anything about litter sizes, other than it's recommended to breed a smaller male to female for smaller puppies and an easier delivery. Well, the male was very small, so small they were concerned that about them tying. I'm thinking he must of been awfully small for them to have had SEVEN! Is there anyway that the runt will for sure grow to at least standard size? It concerns me if he'd grow up weighing less than 4 pounds and I'd definitely recommend them not chancing it and getting the larger male. Anyone know? |
03-16-2013, 10:49 AM | #11 |
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| I was checking out some yorkie rescue dogs and must say, it'd really take a special person for someone to take on one of those. Most are old and/or come with a load of expensive medical bills. Plus the adoption fee is greater than what he'd pay for a puppy coming from a healthy family. All i can say is thanks again for helping me determine this dog is a good option for them a this time. |
03-16-2013, 10:56 AM | #12 |
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| There is just no way of knowing how many different types of dogs are behind that breeding that your DIL is looking at. There is also no way to have any idea of what they will actually turn out to look like or their size. With such a huge gene pool there are thousands of possibilities. These types of breedings do not cause the hybrid vigor that some claim but usually bring forward recessive genes that can bring out the worst of the ancestry. I realize she wants a little dog for cheap but it is taking such a huge risk. What is she going to do if the dog turns out to be 10 or more pounds? Is she going to love the dog anyway and keep it? What if the dog has some less than pretty features? What if the dog develops some genetic weaknesses? There are so many people out there doing breeding without any regard to the background of the dogs that I would not take a chance unless she is ready to deal with any adverse results. |
03-16-2013, 11:03 AM | #13 |
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| I'm sure she will love it no matter what! When you want a pet so bad you'll take anything. Not going into it blindly, there's a lot more history available than finding a stray. Look how quickly the rescue dogs medical history comes to light once they are examined by a professional. We'll see what happens, she has an appointment next week to visit the mother and puppies. If it's not what she wants, she'll leave it and it'll become someone elses beloved pet. The owner planned to keep it as her own. |
03-16-2013, 11:05 AM | #14 |
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| There are many reasons why a puppy is a "runt." It could be because of genes or it could be that this particular puppy was crowded away by other pups and could not nurse as well as the others. These pups can at times still end up being the largest of the littler when given a good nutritious diet. The runt could also have health issues that will manifest later on. You are dealing with so many possibilities. So many people have bought the "runt" thinking they were getting the pup that would be the smallest at maturity and have been very disappointed. |
03-16-2013, 11:10 AM | #15 |
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| I totally agree with you and yet was curious about the litter being 7! That's a big litter! I encouraged them last night to still consider the larger male and explained the complications that could come with a dog less than 4 lbs as an adult. I'm concerned with my own puppy as it continues to follow the chart and land in the 3.5 lbs range. I'm hoping for at least 4.5 pounds. |
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