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Old 12-26-2012, 05:59 PM   #1
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Confused Discussion with Merta (Long post)

I have already decided to get a Biewer baby from Donna. But I decided to check the ad posted on Kijiji by Merta. I saw some red flags with Merta, but overall experience was satisfactory. Below are the red flags,

1. She has MANY dogs. I personally counted around 9 Yorkies (2 of them are pups for sale), 1 Biewer female, 1 maltipoo and I was hearing some barking sounds from the basement. So I believe there are more dogs in her basement. Most of them were adults.

2. When I reached their house, her husband greeted me. Merta was supposed to be in the basement, bathing pups. Now, this is something which I felt weird because, "she was getting the pups ready for visit".

3. She said she covers for genetic diseases, but did not mention anything about luxating patella in her contract nor while talking, until I inquired about it.

4. The mother of so called F1 Yorkie-Biewer pup died 2 days after C-section. She said she got her from Germany and is devastated with the loss and she was "small". But I did not understand why she bred such a small female at first place.

5. All her Yorkies, including the pups which are for sale are short but heavy. I am not familiar with such things in a Yorkie. Happy was sturdy but he had long legs. I might be wrong in this, but I would like to hear from all of you guys. Does anyone has a Yorkie who has short legs and a really heavy body? Plus their stomach area was very heavy.

6. Although it looked like she cares for her Yorkies, she allows them to jump on and from the couch. These lil guys are so delicate, I just could not understand how is she allowing them to jump.

7. She is breeding Yorkies and Biewers and she said she has maltese also. So I think she might have used it in some breeding program earlier.

8. The most fascinating thing which I heard from her is the definition of a Biewer. She said its a black and white Yorkie. She said she got one from Germany, then I believe she should have known that its a different breed as per the German website. I am no expert in this. I would like you guys to share your thoughts.

9. She feeds raw diet (a mix of chicken, beef and veggies), plus Royal Canin. She said that she gets the meat from a butcher whose expertise is in preparing meat especially for dogs. I wonder if this is true. She never described what is the recipe and whether it was prescribed from a nutritionist. She also prepares treats within her home. I have been with Yorkies for a while and I know that if the raw diet is not administered properly, the amount of ammonia in the body would increase due to lack of protein digestion. I am skeptical about her feeding habits.

10. She is asking $1000 but the contract does not tell anything about neutering or breeding rights. I am attaching the copy of contract.

11. She talked about canned foods and after feeding canned foods, the pooh of her yorkies has very bad smell. Now, this should be the case of indigestion of protein. But she did not acknowledge it.

One of the good things which I noticed is that she does not cage dogs. The dogs are in the kitchen area and are free fed.

Please share your thoughts. From my perspective I have made the "RIGHT" decision by taking the pup from Donna. Although the pups are gorgeous,I thought its a risk.
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I'm not a breeder, so I can't answer everything...but as a prospective buyer, I wouldn't buy from her. All the points you made are definite red flags IMO, with the exception of the diet. I also feed raw to my kids and I would be ecstatic to learn my breeder fed raw. But, on the other hand, she's breeding Biewers and thinks it's a black and white Yorkie...so that makes me wonder if she's feeding correctly. There is a lot of work and thought to prepare meals and if she doesn't know her own dog's breed...well, that's alarming.

Do you know if the Maltese was fixed?
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I'm not a breeder, so I can't answer everything...but as a prospective buyer, I wouldn't buy from her. All the points you made are definite red flags IMO, with the exception of the diet. I also feed raw to my kids and I would be ecstatic to learn my breeder fed raw. But, on the other hand, she's breeding Biewers and thinks it's a black and white Yorkie...so that makes me wonder if she's feeding correctly. There is a lot of work and thought to prepare meals and if she doesn't know her own dog's breed...well, that's alarming.

Do you know if the Maltese was fixed?
She said the maltese was spayed recently. So, this makes me believe that she is or was a fan of so called "designer" breeds.
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I have read lot of articles on feeding raw food for Yorkies or small dogs in particular. IMHO, the raw dog food should be first discussed with a nutritionist before feeding dogs. You would not be knowing what amount of proteins, vitamins and other minerals will be in the final diet.
Also, for small dogs, they will have a small liver. So, if the raw diet is just prepared with individual interests, then it would end up hurting the liver of these lil babies.

As I said, it is just my opinion.

I missed another important thing which she mentioned. She said that a Biewer female died 2 days after having C section. But never shared details on how the pup was taken care of. Whether she left the pup with another female Yorkie or whether she took care of the pups herself.
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I know nothing either but while searching for a puppy myself I kept seeing adds for Biewer morkies and I really can't help but wonder if people are breeding morkies and selling them saying they are biewers.
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I'm no breeder either and I know people will be along to reply to this that have FAR MORE knowledge than I do.

But I do know that the entire "ring" this Merta has going screams "RUN!"

A Biewer is NOT a black and white yorkie. It is a separate breed.
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I know nothing either but while searching for a puppy myself I kept seeing adds for Biewer morkies and I really can't help but wonder if people are breeding morkies and selling them saying they are biewers.
Whenever we are out and about, I always get asked if hes a morkie. Hes not...hes a biewer. Then I get told hes not a yorkie
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It's my understanding that Biewer, the German man that brought the first pup into being, bred something with a yorkie (can't remember off the top of my head). So, I mean...down to the very beginnings, they come from yorkies. Oh, okay..I just went and found what I was thinking about and it was 2 recessive gene pie-bald yorkies.

From what I've read, though, Biewers and YT's are not bred together any longer. Biewer is it's own separate breed now...I could be totally wrong, but this is what I read when I was researching (I had never heard of a Biewer before so I went googling lol)
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I have read lot of articles on feeding raw food for Yorkies or small dogs in particular. IMHO, the raw dog food should be first discussed with a nutritionist before feeding dogs. You would not be knowing what amount of proteins, vitamins and other minerals will be in the final diet.
Also, for small dogs, they will have a small liver. So, if the raw diet is just prepared with individual interests, then it would end up hurting the liver of these lil babies.
IMO, I would never feed anyone anything without a nutritionist. That goes for humans. In this case, small or large, dog diets should absolutely be discussed with a nutritionist. Just because you can buy it commercially, does not mean it's good. I.e., you can buy potato chips and frozen meals, but I can guarantee a nutritionist would never touch the stuff, LOL.

But you hit the nail on the head - individual interests. I doubt that this woman feeds properly.
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I remember reading somewhere that a maltese was bred initially for Biewer. I cannot remember the website where I read this information.

I think this should better be answered by members who are actually experts in this line. I know there are few members here who are in to breeding biewers.
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Wee-Pups beautiful Yorkies, Maltese, and Toy Poodle Puppies Was this the website? Is Merta's husband Grahm?

If so stay away, she's a greeder. That health guarantee is worthless as a whole and basically says, take your pup and don't call us again....Every one of your points of redflags is right on target.
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Wee-Pups beautiful Yorkies, Maltese, and Toy Poodle Puppies Was this the website? Is Merta's husband Grahm?

If so stay away, she's a greeder. That health guarantee is worthless as a whole and basically says, take your pup and don't call us again....Every one of your points of redflags is right on target.
Yes, this is her website. If you check the contract which I have attached to the post, it states Wee-pups.
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Biewers are Biewers. They are not morkies. I would not trust this breeder. That is just me. I do not get a good feeling about them
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I found this on the Breed club of biewer website,

Breed club for biewer a la pom pon dogs

The funny thing is that I did not know that its pronounced as bee-wa. I was pronouncing it literally as bi-ew-er. But Donna corrected me.
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Yes, this is her website. If you check the contract which I have attached to the post, it states Wee-pups.
Hmmm, website has NO information on it and what little she does is the pits. Her husband is Grahm?
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