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12-13-2012, 10:52 PM | #1 |
YT 1000 Club Member | Has to be said. I know without a doubt this post will not be accepted by many. But I am just so overcome with some not so nice emotions. It stems from seeing post after post of OMG my dog is pregnant or something to that effect. First let me say this if you don't know what your doing, meaning if you have to come on here and ask what your supposed to do then you don't know what your doing and therefore shouldn't be attempting to breed your dogs. I know alot of you love your dogs and spoil them , and granted not all pregnancies and whelping have bad outcomes but if your dog does not fit the Standard of the Yorkshire Terrier and has no papers or the papers are not with a reputable registry. Or if you have reputable papers but you are supposed to get your dog spayed or neutered per the breeders contract, then you shouldn't put your dog through a pregnancy or mating. Yes there are some accidents that happen. I have heard the phrase we all have to start somewhere, That's true but the ethical way to start is by putting in your time with a breeder that you are interested in, and following their advice, even if your like me and stubborn still do it. They have way more experience than you or I do. Dog breeding is not a good way to let your children experience the miracle of birth. And Just because your neighbor or friends and family say they want a Yorkie to, let them go buy their own , you did. There is so much more to breeding than taking 2 dogs of the opposite sex and putting them together. If you don't know what is behind your dogs with pedigrees, past generations and yes Genetics. Then you are doing a great disservice to the Yorkie Breed. Okay off my soapbox now. Oh and I posted in the general section because that is where most people go first.
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12-14-2012, 12:10 AM | #2 |
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| I know I for one am thankful that breeders here showed me how wrong I would be to just decide I wanted to be a breeder. Lots of us really do listen and pay heed to the advise from experienced breeders here. I am more than happy to just sit back and watch and enjoy my precious little pets now. .
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12-14-2012, 04:45 AM | #3 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | I for one am in agreement with your posting. One thing that this forum has taught me, is that there are a whole lot of beliefs folks have that are miles apart from my own. There are truly very few accidental breedings. That is of course just my opinion. But if you leave your dogs intact and fail to take the necessary precautions, well then, you PLAN to fail. Im sure that there are extraordinary circumstances that do happen, just not as frequently as we seem to see on this board One memorable situation posted a long time ago on this board; was a woman who left her Yorkie who was in heat, tied up outside on their front porch all day. Huh? And she "accidentally" got pregnant. Appalling is one word that comes to mind. And yes she knew she was in heat....
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12-14-2012, 05:09 AM | #4 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | I agree with the op. My big problem is they breed the dog and then come for help. Why don't these people research about breeding first. It makes me crazy.
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12-14-2012, 05:14 AM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Me too. Well one reason might be that the "advice here" is free.
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12-14-2012, 05:16 AM | #6 |
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| nothing wrong with venting and i agree also.
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12-14-2012, 05:53 AM | #7 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member | Yeah but then come here and learn about breeding before you breed. Then you will realize it might not be the best thing to do
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12-14-2012, 07:10 AM | #8 |
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| I am the owner of a yorkie/silky mix that was given to me and my husband by a friend after she bred her silky. She was not a breeder and this was her 1st and last attempt at breeding. I would not give anything in the world for my Huey. He is my heart. That being said, I had him fixed as soon as he was old enough. I feel it irresponsible for backyard breeders to bring potentially unhealthy and unwanted, unregistered dogs into the world. If someone wants a dog and doesn't care about papers, the local humane society's are full of loving, great dogs that need homes....many of which are the products of backyard breeders. Our 1st dog was a humane society lab mix mutt and we loved him for 13 years. It took 5 years to get over that loss and I would probably still not have a dog today had it not been for our friend convincing my husband that we needed one of her pups. We saw him the day after he was born and finally picked him out of the litter of 6 within a few weeks. We got to know him before we brought him home and he named himself. He turned out to be the "fatty" of the litter and so became "baby Huey" That is the story of how we became furbaby parents almost 4 years ago to the most beautiful, entertaining little 7 lb bundle of love that a person could ask for. He was born 2 days after Valentines day, so really is a love baby. If not for our friend, my next dog would also have (eventually) been a humane society rescue and I'm sure any future animals will be, too. |
12-14-2012, 07:22 AM | #9 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member | I agree with the post too, BUT I feel that if advise is not given the only one to suffer is the dam and the puppies, NOT the human, I am tired too of people attacking the ignorant BYB,once the deed is done is NOT going back but help with forward... if my advise saves One dam from suffering , dying or killing her litter then my day is a good one.. FREE advise can save a life and teach a lesson.. just my .02 cents..I know this is not the popular belive here but is mine.. hugs, |
12-14-2012, 07:32 AM | #10 | |
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12-14-2012, 07:36 AM | #11 | |
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Also, so many people are quick to rush to judgement without fully reading an OP. I've seen a few people come here for help with found or rescued dogs but then they get attacked for being irresponsible and letting the situation happen to begin with. HELLO they weren't part of the initial occurance! I think that this is a great and helpful forum, a wonderful resource for education and togetherness. However, there are a few hoity toity, holier-than-thou, know it alls who feel their time is best spent attacking instead of helping. Success comes from moving forward and learning from the past, not dwelling on the past. "Keep moving forward!"
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12-14-2012, 08:03 AM | #12 |
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| Hmmm. I try to stay neutral on these rants, because I like to think anyone is welcome to YorkieTalk no matter what the situation. I would want a new member, regardless of the reason, to feel comfortable coming aboard. I do agree that with regards to breeding small dogs, a professional should be considered. There is so much that could go wrong for the mom and the pups and therefore, it is too much of a risk for an inexperienced person. I totally agree with the statement: What's done is done. Chastising someone who comes here for help regardless of the situation is tantamount to beating your child because they chewed your chair. Who does that benefit? It certainly doesn't repair the chair and your poor Yorkie didn't know better. But proper and positive training can lead to future results. Normally I just move on to the next thread when members jump a poor unsuspecting soul because they did something they considered wrong. Whether it is wrong or not, we are not judge and jury. Well, I certainly thought I came here to meet other Yorkie owners and offer any help that I could. Am I wrong? Ok, now I am off my soapbox. |
12-14-2012, 09:00 AM | #13 |
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| I think the OP is posting to help prevent bad outcomes. Although there are a few who may attack someone who really needs help for the most part YT members are very helpful to people who are really in trouble. I would hate to see the day when YT starts to condone irresponsible breeding. So far it has stood for ethical breeding practices despite the current trends. |
12-14-2012, 09:05 AM | #14 |
YT 1000 Club Member | I understand the need to help these people that come her for advice after the fact. Like I said in the original post there are some accidents that happen. It is just very hard for me as a breeder to see so many posts about this particular subject. Especially when some come on here for advice on what to do then don't post again. True they could have been scared off by others but it could also be that they got the info they were looking for in the first place and by some stroke of luck things went well with the whelping. Those will be the ones that continue to do this. Your heart goes out to the dogs that have to go through this. My heart also goes out to the people that get puppies from them and then start having all sorts of medical issues. They then either end up with alot of heartache or the dog ends up in the shelter or in a rescue. I am a breeder that does testing to make sure my dogs are in the best health before they are bred, I also know what is behind my dogs. I carefully select a few males that I am interested in to use on my girls then I talk to my mentor and we compare the dogs to whichever girl we will be breeding. My first intention before breeding is to better the breed and in doing that I hope for my next show potential. I also show my dogs and some of my mentors dogs.
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12-14-2012, 09:51 AM | #15 |
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