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07-04-2012, 06:37 AM | #1 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: montana
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| difference between parti-colored and biewer i was just curious/ is there any difference betweem a parti- colored and biewer yorkie? |
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07-04-2012, 06:50 AM | #2 |
Zachary's Mom Donating Member | Oh boy....that question could open up a proverbial "can of worms". My Biewer Zacharys parents are from Germany and are IBC registered as is my baby. The Germans consider Biewers a separate breed and it is said that it has been proven genetically. They cannot be registered AKC. American breeders are split on this. From what I have read, they either say it is a separate breed if bred Biewer to Biewer or they are bred with traditional Yorkies and the parti is just a tri colored Yorkie. I consider Zachary a Biewer Yorkie Terrier, not a Yorkie Terrier since he is registered in Germany. Biewers tend to be less "hyper" than traditional Yorkies. Zachary is very laid back and cuddily. He has his full tail. It is against the law to dock the tail in Germany and I am glad it is.....Zachary's tail is so cute feathered like it is!! This is a brief description of the differences as far as I know. One thing I know for SURE is that Zachary is the sweetest little guy I have ever been Mom to and if I ever got another dog, it would be another Biewer Yorkie Terrier. Louise |
07-04-2012, 06:55 AM | #3 |
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| thank you/ that makes sense |
07-04-2012, 10:01 AM | #4 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| Here we go! First a little history... The Biewers started in Germany with Mr. Biewer purchasing a stud dog in 1975 from Streamglen Kennels, Streamglen Richard. At the time Streamglen was producing Champion status yorkies and were selling yorkies across the world and the United States. Mr Biewer started breeding Ch. Streamglen Richard to all his Female Yorkshire Terriers trying to make his own mark by producing Champion quality yorkies that would come from his kennel. In his quest for champions, he did a lot of line and inbreeding. Then in January of 1984, a tri-colored Yorkshire Terrier was born from 2 of his Champion dogs line bred from Streamglen Richard. Darling and FruFru.Mr. Biewer registered his tri colors at first with VDH/KFT but they designated them wrong color not for breeding so he went in search of a club that would accept them as a variation of the yorkie. The ACH was the first club to accept them as a variation of the breed. The dogs were then registered as Biewer Yorkshire A la Pon Pom. They originally had docked tails but Germany passed a law against docking so the tails then remained longIn the USA, Summit and Crownridge both got tri colored pups from Nikkos kennels and wanted their tri colored dogs registered with AKC, as they were born from 2 AKC registered dogs and they wanted the right color to be shown on the papers( Black , white and tan), so in 2000 after 18 months of DNA testing, AKC accepted the tri- colored Yorkshire Terrier. AKC papers state they are Yorkshire Terrier/Parti color on the papers so the name parti yorkies has stuck with the tri color yorkies in the last few years.During this time each country (USA and Germany)went its own way in developing and registries of the tri color, but both are true yorkshire terriers. How can the Biewer not be a yorkie? It is stated in all the Biewer clubs history that they started from 2 Champion yorkies, If they have tested to not be a purebred yorkie then you do have a mixed dog not a true Biewer that came from Mr. Biewers Yorkshire Terriers..The Parti yorkshire terriers are AKC registered and the Biewers are not , AKC considers them both yorkies and not a rare breed as the Biewer Breeders have portrayed them. They are not a RARE breed, they are just a tricolored yorkshire terrier that has been popping up thru the years but because Mr Biewer drew his dogs out of VDH/KFT they could not be registered AKC. In the process of him hunting for an avenue to breed and show his lovely tri colors he made a grave mistake by trying to pass them off as a breed of their own so he could raise and show them, So as of now AKC will not recognize them as a breed of their own since they see them as nothing but a tricolor yorkie.. I was fortunate enough to find this already composed, in detail, by Snow Blue Yorkies, so I didnt have to pull this all up from my OWN files....I took the liberty of copy/pasting HER explanation, which is accurate, and condensed down from the same information in my own files, pages and pages of research and letters ....The confusion surrounding these Biewers is exactly why I did not start breeding them back in the late 90's....I was fearful I was not a large enough breeder and not well known enough to make this work for my program....and I just did not want to get into all the confusion and arguing over these beautiful Yorkies! |
07-04-2012, 11:41 AM | #5 |
Zachary's Mom Donating Member | Regardless if the "are or aren't" and from my limited experience with Zachary, the Biewers are simply delightful dogs! Zachary's breeder told me they are more laid back/less hyper than other Yorkies and my baby IS just that! I would get another Biewer if I could afford it. Louise |
07-04-2012, 12:15 PM | #6 | |
♥Love My 3 Furrbutts♥ Donating Member | Quote:
The parti yorkie is also registered here in Canada with the CKC, the Biewer i'm looking to get is registered with the IBC. Thanks again, this explanation really makes more sense.
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07-04-2012, 12:18 PM | #7 |
♥Love My 3 Furrbutts♥ Donating Member | What is VDH/KFT ??
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07-04-2012, 03:04 PM | #8 |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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| German registries....I used to have a German Shepherd that was registered in Germany...I think they must be born in Germany from German Registered parents, to get the VDH papers....I was just 14 years old when I had that shepherd and I dont remember the importance or significance of those papers...there was something "special" or "unique"about them..... |
07-05-2012, 12:52 PM | #9 |
♥Love My 3 Furrbutts♥ Donating Member | Thanks yorkiemom1. So what is IBC? I thought this was a German registry as well....sorry for all the questions.
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07-05-2012, 01:47 PM | #10 |
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07-05-2012, 04:05 PM | #11 |
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| Thanks for asking this, I have often wondered myself. They are beautifu though, and might get one in future. But I want to learn more about them first
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07-05-2012, 05:56 PM | #12 | |
♥Love My 3 Furrbutts♥ Donating Member | Quote:
Now that i understand this a lilttle better, I am looking forward to a baby girl sometime early next year! I'm soooo excited! Think I found a good breeder up in the Niagara Region too...yipee!
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07-09-2012, 10:24 PM | #13 |
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| I would suggest that anyone who is interested in learning about the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier to read the information posted on Snow Blue yorkies website.. she has done alot of research and gotten some excellent information.. There are still those in this country who believe in breeding only Biewer to Biewer because they believe they need to keep the lines pure... IMHO, this is a huge mistake as the lines are too inbred as it is. In Germany, breeders are breeding back to the yorkie to continue to bring fresh blood into their lines.. health, above all, should be the driving force above all else.. this is how Biewers have always been bred, it continues to be the practice today. Only in this country have some decided that they want to stop this practice to gain entrance into AKC.. one has to wonder, is it worth the health of an entire line of dogs?? I can tell you for me, it is not and I will continue to put my dogs health above acceptance into the UKC. -Diana
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07-09-2012, 11:09 PM | #14 | |
Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas
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'I would suggest that anyone who is interested in learning about the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier to read the information posted on Snow Blue yorkies website.. she has done alot of research and gotten some excellent information..'....... The information I posted above, as noted, is reprinted with her permission......My notes, research, and files from the "90s , when I was researching importing Biewers from Mr.Biewer, while they contained all the same information, I was thrilled to run across Snow Blue Yorkies organized, accurate, information already laid out in an easy to understand composition! Her research is right on target! | |
07-10-2012, 05:35 AM | #15 |
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| And I totally agree with what you have posted.. I just mentioned that people should go to Debs website and read the REST of the information she has posted there.. I'm not arguing with you but agreeing with you!! I spoke to Deb about you yesterday and was thrilled that there was someone who had actually spoken with Mr. and Mrs. Biewer..we think that is wonderful.. what an honor!! I am in no way disregarding anything you had posted, I'm sorry if I made it sound as if I was.. I just want people to READ what Deb has stated as I believe what she says is factual.. and if you agree, based on your first hand experience with Mr and Mrs Biewer... so much the better... we are on the same page. Again, I apologies if my post made you feel anything but agreement.. respectfully - Diana
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