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Old 04-24-2012, 01:03 PM   #1
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Last weekend DH, and I went to buy a Sea doo off of Craigslist. The house we were going to was about an hour out, so we decided to take Pnut with us. Well we get to the house and they let us in, the owner had two dogs a chow mix and a Maltese- Well I was holding Pnut and looking out of the window, they had this amazing pool. I told them how amazing I thought the pool was and the owner said oh let me show you, so we went in the backyard..

Well the chow mix came up to me and wanted to sniff Pnut and wanted me to pet him, all of a sudden I hear this Grrrrrrr from Peanut- I look at him and he his showing his teeth!!! I couldn’t believe it! I thought it was just because I was holding him, so I set him down. So the Maltese walks up to him to sniff his bum and Pnut turns around and growls at him!! Like a really mean growl not just a get away from me growl!

I couldn’t believe it, Pnut has never acted this way! So I picked him up, I told the lady I was sorry I wasn’t sure what his issue was and we went inside!

He has never really done this before to any dog… Not to this extent. One time we were at the dog park and he was on my lap a dog came up to see us and he did growl at the dog… then I put him down and he was ok.. so I don’t get it??

How can I fix this and why did he do this?
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Aw...Peanut was protecting his mommy! Luma growled at another dog for the first time, at the dog park. I was sitting on a little tree stump and she was on my lap, and a pomeranian came up to me, and Lulu just growled like, SHE'S MINE!! Everyone thought it was cute, because her growl is so high pitched and harmless, but it worried me and I'm bumping this up to see what other people say. Hopefully Peanut was just in a grumpy mood.
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Aw...Peanut was protecting his mommy! Luma growled at another dog for the first time, at the dog park. I was sitting on a little tree stump and she was on my lap, and a pomeranian came up to me, and Lulu just growled like, SHE'S MINE!! Everyone thought it was cute, because her growl is so high pitched and harmless, but it worried me and I'm bumping this up to see what other people say. Hopefully Peanut was just in a grumpy mood.
LoL- Well I don’t think it is cute- I have always watched those dogs, the ones that were the little barkers or the dogs that nobody can touch but the Mom or Dad and I told myself I will never have a dog like that. My dog will be well socialized so I don’t have a dog that I can’t take places! I mean he doesn’t do it often, but when he does he is usually on my lap or I am holding him. So I guess that’s a good thing- If he did it all the time it would be more of an issue for me. I just don’t know how to correct it? Peanut is usually very friendly- He might not want to play with other dogs at the park he kinda just likes to do his own thing, but I don’t want him to be a little jerk off to other dogs! LoL
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Or he was just uncomfortable by those dogs or those dogs in that particular setting. Often they growl when they are feeling vulnerable. If he's well-socialized & hasn't done this before, I would not worry about it as he could have felt threatened for some reason or felt you were threatened - but if he keeps it up, I would tell him "no" when he does it & get away from any big dogs as this can cause an attack. Then, just keep socializing him & correcting him when he growls. If he's persistent, you might hold your hand over his eyes or something else he doesn't like to discourage the growling.
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Sometimes the signals a dog lets off are subtle enough that we don't notice, but they do. Those dogs may have had something going on that was making your dog feel threatened or defensive. Who knows? It may have been a good thing that you were holding him. I never let Gracie down around other dogs until I am certain that all the signals are peaceful. Dog body language has to be studied. Having been attacked by another dog when my other dog was alive I am now really cautious about those things.
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Georgie does that a lot more now then he ever did. I don't know exactly why but it seems it's when another dog wants attention from us which Georgie doesnt want to share that.
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Or he was just uncomfortable by those dogs or those dogs in that particular setting. Often they growl when they are feeling vulnerable. If he's well-socialized & hasn't done this before, I would not worry about it as he could have felt threatened for some reason or felt you were threatened - but if he keeps it up, I would tell him "no" when he does it & get away from any big dogs as this can cause an attack. Then, just keep socializing him & correcting him when he growls. If he's persistent, you might hold your hand over his eyes or something else he doesn't like to discourage the growling.
Ya I'm not sure why he did it- he has done it before but once I set him down he got over it- I will try to cover his eyes and correct him the next time. The thing is he is very well mannared, he never barks when we are out he is super friendly but if a dog is coming up to me and I am holding him or he is in my lap he has an issue with it- I never understood why-
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Sometimes the signals a dog lets off are subtle enough that we don't notice, but they do. Those dogs may have had something going on that was making your dog feel threatened or defensive. Who knows? It may have been a good thing that you were holding him. I never let Gracie down around other dogs until I am certain that all the signals are peaceful. Dog body language has to be studied. Having been attacked by another dog when my other dog was alive I am now really cautious about those things.
That's true- this is the first time I let him down and he still had an issue with the dog- then I picked him up and took him away..
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Georgie does that a lot more now then he ever did. I don't know exactly why but it seems it's when another dog wants attention from us which Georgie doesnt want to share that.
Ya. Isn't it strange? To me Pnut is saying " dis my mommy back off" Lol but you know they probably have something else in mind LOL.
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Ya I'm not sure why he did it- he has done it before but once I set him down he got over it- I will try to cover his eyes and correct him the next time. The thing is he is very well mannared, he never barks when we are out he is super friendly but if a dog is coming up to me and I am holding him or he is in my lap he has an issue with it- I never understood why-
That further explanation sounds like he is protective or jealous. Disagree with that behavior each time he does it and expose him as much as possible to similar situations so you can correct. Maybe find out where his comfort zone is and stay just within that & every time he lets a dog come around at that distance, praise him & give a treat. Gradually decrease that distance to dogs & correct when he growls, praise/treat when he doesn't. Eventually he should get the message that momma doesn't want me growling when I'm in her arms & another dog comes up close. Some will tap a growling dog on the nose or hold the muzzle each time they do.
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That further explanation sounds like he is protective or jealous. Disagree with that behavior each time he does it and expose him as much as possible to similar situations so you can correct. Maybe find out where his comfort zone is and stay just within that & every time he lets a dog come around at that distance, praise him & give a treat. Gradually decrease that distance to dogs & correct when he growls, praise/treat when he doesn't. Eventually he should get the message that momma doesn't want me growling when I'm in her arms & another dog comes up close. Some will tap a growling dog on the nose or hold the muzzle each time they do.
I wonder why he or where he got this from..? Did I do something wrong? I'm going to try to fix it!!

Maybe he feels threatened Bc I am holding him? I don't know how true that is bc he still sometimes growls at the dog when I set him down-
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I think they act protective or a bit dominant when they don't feel that their leader is the strongest. A lot of times they feel they need to protect a not too strong leader or feel that they can act the leader part themselves by giving another dog lack of permission for approaching - a clear breach of his roll. You are the one to make decisions about who approaches the two of you and tells another dog to back off or gives the approach signals - not your little one! If you haven't already, try some Behavior Modification Training techniques with lots of patience & love & fun rewards and re-establish yourself as the leader of your team and giving Pnut clear ideas of just who calls the shots in all situations. Once he knows you're in complete control, he'll likely relax & let you do the decision-making.
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I think they act protective or a bit dominant when they don't feel that their leader is the strongest. A lot of times they feel they need to protect a not too strong leader or feel that they can act the leader part themselves by giving another dog lack of permission for approaching - a clear breach of his roll. You are the one to make decisions about who approaches the two of you and tells another dog to back off or gives the approach signals - not your little one! If you haven't already, try some Behavior Modification Training techniques with lots of patience & love & fun rewards and re-establish yourself as the leader of your team and giving Pnut clear ideas of just who calls the shots in all situations. Once he knows you're in complete control, he'll likely relax & let you do the decision-making.
Well if that is the case I have a lot of work to do with him! I am pretty sure he wears the pants in the family. You know how Cesar Milan says " Discipline, exercise and affection"? Uhhh Pnut gets in this order Affection, exercise, affection and exercise! Haha Is that what created this Pnut monster?
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Well, these little babies do get under our skin & we often give sway to them in so many ways - ways we don't even know are sending subtle signals to them. Tibbe often wrests the so-called alpha dog or leadership role from me in things & I have to gently guide him back to the place where he's not running the show. I give over to him at times just because he is so dang cute and adorable or I'm not in the mood to make a point of correcting him all the time. But when he begins to exhibit some kind of undesired behavior because of that, I realize I probably gave way to him way too much for way too long & we kind of restart in going through basic Behavior Modification Techniques and he stops the inappropriate behavior. But I'm just not one of those who is a strict disciplinarian or expect perfect behavior 100% of the time - so we have some issues to work through from time to time. But I keep it short & a fun exercise for him & he goes right along. He's kind to me that way.
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I wonder why he or where he got this from..? Did I do something wrong? I'm going to try to fix it!!

Maybe he feels threatened Bc I am holding him? I don't know how true that is bc he still sometimes growls at the dog when I set him down-
I struggle with this issue with my guys because I want them to be well-socialized, but I also want to keep them safe. As someone mentioned above, I think dog to dog communication and relationships are very complex and nuanced. I think a lot of it has to do with the combo of personalities of the 2 dogs meeting -- whether they are alphas or submissives or whatever. Plus, there is the factor of territory.

I've always read that it is better for 2 dogs to meet on equal terms, on the ground, and either both on leash or both off leash. Was Peanut on a leash? If he was, maybe being on a leash while the other dogs were off leash had a little something to do with his reaction.

When Max was a pup, I would take him outside in his wire crate to hang out with me while I worked in the yard. People would walk their dogs up to the wire crate and Max would turn into the Tazmanian devil. He felt threatened because he was stuck in a cage.
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