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Old 03-27-2012, 03:49 PM   #1
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Default Fresh Pet Select Refrigerated foods??

The Vet always preaches dry food only but we all know how far that goes... The lil furbutt gobbles this stuff up like no tomorrow... Has anyone heard anything bad about this product that I should know about?
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I just looked it up online. There is not a lot of info about what part of the meat product they use. Here is a link to the dog food advisor that gives some info on it.
Freshpet Select Homestyle Dog Food | Review and Rating
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Thanks for the info gracielove... She's a big people food eater & this product looked like it might actually be good for her
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One of my friends was feeding this to her yorkie. The vets office recommended that she switch to a kibble. Soft food doesn't help clean the teeth and can had more calories to the diet. Of coarse I don't know much about this food from a personal experience.
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...switch to a kibble. Soft food doesn't help clean the teeth...
I mean absolutely no offense to anyone and I do so very hope that no one takes it that way, nor do I wish to "de-rail" this forum thread but the OP is concerned and/or wondering about the nutritional value and/or safety of FreshPet foods, as I understand it...and I would recommend investigating the ingredients of to discover if it is "good" for puppy or not..., however...

Wasn't this proved to be a 'false theory' i.e. a 'marketing ploy' years ago...one that had even years ago become such an oft repeated phrase that it is now 'accepted as truth' in the same way that "blondes have more fun" is?

Again, I mean absolutely no disrespect whatsoever, but...

I remember reading some exposé articles, but it's been a really long time, saying, that dry kibble creates the same plaque issues since the saliva begins to digest the kibble in the mouth as the dog (or cat) eats it, making it a 'soft food' as well...the difference being that the animal then requires additional fluids since the dry kibble absorbs fluids from the animal. I seem to recall that there is additional salt added, especially to cat food...since cats are not normally water drinkers...to get the now thirsty animal to drink additional fluids. If I correctly recall, the 'dry kibble cleans teeth' theory was shown to be a marketing 'gimmick' to encourage sales of dry pet foods...which are certainly convenient for free feeding pets and can be a 'life saver' for working pet owners and their babies.

This was refreshed in my mind about a year ago when a cat suffered a (very expensive ) life threatening urinary blockage and almost died even while the ER hospital was working on him. He is doing great now! His vet afterward focused a great deal on the food he was eating and its "Ash content" in particular...the organic cat food he was eating was well below any recognized 'danger' level in any ingredient...and on making certain the kitty drank lots of water. Plus, my friend, whose cat had the highly specialized 'surgery' years ago to eliminate the possibility of it occurring to his cat again (it 'made his male a female' he says) and both of his cats are now on a special dry kibble formula for prevention, says the expensive cat food makes them drink lots of water and 'puddle' a lot...lol

I was under the impression that you may get more 'nutritional value' in a dry kibble vs a wet food since you are not paying $$$/lb. for water like you are with canned/wet foods and I know I have cross reference and 'how to figure out which is more economical' tables/descriptions/formulas, I believe in my Yorkie "Bible" book.

I am just wondering, 'cuz I keep seeing this statement repeated frequently...and if untrue, would definitely not want you to overlook a more nutritionally valuable food just because it is a "wet" food.

I am absolutely open to factual information and/or correction if my understanding is inaccurate, and I know I saved one or more of the articless but have no idea where they would be after all these years and at least one long-distance move.

I went ahead and web-searched before posting and there are several articles...here are a couple links to start if you want to check into this subject further while considering FreshPet brand foods:

Cornerstone Pets: True or False: Dry Food is Best for my Pet and it Keeps the Teeth Clean

"March 02, 2010 "True or False: Dry Food is Best for my Pet and it Keeps the Teeth Clean

False and False"
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"As far as kibble cleaning your pet’s teeth…..would you try cleaning your teeth by eating a hard pretzel? "



http://voices.yahoo.com/pet-food-myths-misconceptions-5920560.html

"Apr 28, 2010
"Pet Food Myth #1: Kibble cleans their teeth I've put this pet myth first because it's the most prevalent one, and many people consider it to be true. There is, however, only a smidgen of validity to it."

In any case, although I have no experience with FreshPet foods, I wouldn't let dry food being a teeth cleaner become my main consideration for choosing a pet food. I read labels, look ingredients up, read MSDS (Material Data Safety Sheets), patents, corporate press releases, etc. and even then worry that I may have 'missed something' in the process that may be harmful to my babies!

Sorry this is so long. Good luck deciding on whether or not to try FreshPet foods. If you do, by all means, publish your impressions. Thanks...Take care.
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Navillusc, absolutely agree, there has been proof that their are some starches and carbs in dried that actually like to attach themselves to the dogs teeth and if you actually watch your dog eat, they will bite the kibble with the incisors, it shatters and they swallow.
Dry food rarely gets chewed on the back teeth.
Raw diets contain enzymes and proteins good for dogs and cats alike that work with their body to control such things as plaque and tartar and help their organs stay healthy.
knawing on a good meaty bone helps too.
I don't think I have done this much research into my own diet as I've done for my dogs, must love them more.
Ever since switching Teegy to raw, he doesn't drink water, unless he just chewed a nice dried bull penis, then he's thirsty.
Not to be gross, on raw, there is less waste as the body absorbs and digests pretty much most of it.
Poops have shrunk so drastically, I bought a bag resealer and cut my poo bags in half and reseal them to make two
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Did you just say DRIED BULL PENIS?? Where do you buy those???
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good gracious, pretty much every pet store carries them, some call them pizzles, flossies.
Good for encouraging chewing, if I have to bake or cook it's something it's guaranteed to keep Teegy on his rug out from under me.
Also might want to check out cow trachea, full of glucosomine and chondroitin
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Navillusc, absolutely agree, there has been proof that their are some starches and carbs in dried that actually like to attach themselves to the dogs teeth and if you actually watch your dog eat, they will bite the kibble with the incisors, it shatters and they swallow.
Dry food rarely gets chewed on the back teeth.

Raw diets contain enzymes and proteins good for dogs and cats alike that work with their body to control such things as plaque and tartar and help their organs stay healthy.
knawing on a good meaty bone helps too.

I don't think I have done this much research into my own diet as I've done for my dogs, must love them more.
Ever since switching Teegy to raw, he doesn't drink water, unless he just chewed a nice dried bull penis, then he's thirsty.
Not to be gross, on raw, there is less waste as the body absorbs and digests pretty much most of it.
Poops have shrunk so drastically, I bought a bag resealer and cut my poo bags in half and reseal them to make two

Yep...yep...and yep! Enzymes are key to health...but not the only key...and they should be part of the food. It takes valuable resources for a 'body' to manufacture the enzymes necessary for digestion, and it does so at a health cost. Humans, too. You can just about substitute from what you learned about dogs...the word 'protein' for dogs would be 'carbohydrate' (raw vegetables and fruits...not doughnuts and chips...lol)...with its attached proteins and fats...for humans, plus we must have correct dietary Omega 3/6/9 balance...3 being our largest downfall due to it being largely missing in our diets and destroyed by not very high heat temps...and dietary vitamins and minerals...not manufactured chemical supplements. Human bodies run on fat...not sugar, and only run properly on the 'correct' fats, and the carnivorous animals, like dogs, whether obligate carnivores, like cats, or not, require mostly proteins with their fats still attached and little to no carbohydrates. The moisture is in the meats, fruits, and vegies. We, and our pets, are what we eat!

But, I understand what you mean about researching more for them than for you. lol But, then again, you are the one with the library card and internet access...probably...!

Do you make your own raw mix yourself...or have you found a good supplier of 'clean' (chemical free) raw pet food? Not that we could ever get it here...
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I have found a product my vet approved highly tollden farms. It's got everything balanced in it.
Also he gets a daily probiotic before bed.
There is also a place outside of Toronto that sells frozen meats organs, they are also a breeder, called Heronview Raw, which I am going to drag someone out to take me as I don't own a car and it's not on a transit route.
also found a product called Tripett, it's quite gross as it's the stomach and it's contents canned fresh, but Teegy loves it and I've shared it with friends for their dogs and not one has refused it, bleuch....
To be honest if I'm making rack of lamb, lamb chops or having myself a nice ribeye, Teegy gets share and so will wee Tufty when he comes home in a couple of weeks.
My breeder is very pleased that I've chosen the raw route.
Wee bugger will not eat veg, so I made these carrot sweet potato chicken ice cubes for snacks and he loves those.
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...bleuch....
To be honest if I'm making rack of lamb, lamb chops or having myself a nice ribeye, Teegy gets share and so will wee Tufty when he comes home in a couple of weeks.
My breeder is very pleased that I've chosen the raw route.
Wee bugger will not eat veg, so I made these carrot sweet potato chicken ice cubes for snacks and he loves those.

I agree ! Some of the stuff dogs and cats like to eat... I also cook for mine...organic stuff...same as what I eat except they get a home cooked breakfast, too, while I run out with a banana in hand...

I will check to see if we can get those here. I found a great product (feline) once but it came from England and the USA wouldn't import it.
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I think many forum writers oversimplify things, kibble doesn't clean tooth like a toothbrush, but it has been shown not to stick to teeth like some canned dog foods. Foods that stick to the teeth, tend to cause more problems. Also, I wonder if because dogs don't drink water after a meal, it might help with the rinsing off of food particles, where as dogs who eat canned don't need as much extra water, since their food contains water.


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So basically, they are saying how the disease develops is not fully understood, but there are certain things that help control it. I don't think anyone should rely on just one thing to prevent periodontal disease, especially in Yorkies, who are known for excess tartar formation. From my reading, and this has not been proven, but it sounds like those dogs who have "home cooked meals" have the most problems, followed by those who feed canned, next kibble, followed by those who eat raw who seem to have the fewest problems with tartar. I'm not sure what it is in the raw that helps perhaps the enzymes and bacteria, but it might be worth it to add a few raw bones to the diet. Just make sure the bones you add are suitable for your dog’s size.
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From my reading, and this has not been proven, but it sounds like those dogs who have "home cooked meals" have the most problems, followed by those who feed canned, next kibble, followed by those who eat raw who seem to have the fewest problems with tartar. I'm not sure what it is in the raw that helps perhaps the enzymes and bacteria, but it might be worth it to add a few raw bones to the diet. Just make sure the bones you add are suitable for your dog’s size.
....Yes. Canines do not need the carbs in commercial dog food (kibble or canned). Their systems are not built to process it, so it sticks to teeth, and gives very little (if any) nutritive value. Raw bones should be porous (chicken, or small game), NOT weight-bearing or dense (beef) - better known as Rec (Wreck teeth) bones.
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....Yes. Canines do not need the carbs in commercial dog food (kibble or canned). Their systems are not built to process it, so it sticks to teeth, and gives very little (if any) nutritive value. Raw bones should be porous (chicken, or small game), NOT weight-bearing or dense (beef) - better known as Rec (Wreck teeth) bones.
Well, I believe dogs may not "need" carbs, but they do in fact digest carbs if they are cooked. I don't really want to argue the merits of raw vs. kibble, but I would to know more about feeding raw bones occasionally. I'm still uncertain of their safety. I've read many different articles on which bones are safe for Yorkies; again, I don't think we have enough information to be 100% sure. I have been giving my boys Bison back ribs which I guess would be similar to cattle, on the recommendation of a Yorkietalk member, and they have a small bit of meat on them. The boys can't really eat the bone, but do enjoy chewing on it for hours. Joey had a bad experience with a chicken neck bone, he try to swallow it whole, and we haven't given him anymore chicken. What part of the chicken do you give?
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Joey had a bad experience with a chicken neck bone, he try to swallow it whole, and we haven't given him anymore chicken. What part of the chicken do you give?
I (nor any experienced raw feeder) would never recommend chicken necks or wings. I would only recommend chicken legs, thighs and portions of the breasts; and those, only under supervision.
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