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Old 01-13-2012, 09:03 AM   #1
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My little CaLi is growing into her own so to speak..he forehead hair is really starting to root out. It's pure white even to the skin of her scalp and chin and neck. I've always wondered what colors she will start to be as a "little woman". So, my research and investigating continues (not that it's gonna reveal any true answer) however....

I was just browsing out of curiosity about "parti colored" yorkies and found "colorfulyorkies".com
Let me just say I am apalled at people selling their puppies for upwards $3300-3900 for this type of yorkie. Disgusted is a better word.
I read the cloning thread and saw the"double trouble" dog for $50,000, which is crazy in it's own way....BUT

Selling a puppy based on color for that much money is insane and should be considered highway robbery. Am I out of line here?
Is this normal? and Why?
These dogs are cute and unique, but I can't see the point in having to constantly explain how it's considered a yorkie and has all these different colors. Would seem to me that someone is still trying to call it a yorkie when really it's some manipulation of the breed to suit the owner's aesthetic appeal.

I'm just a little beside myself, so any opinions or explanations are greatly appreciated
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:37 AM   #2
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Well I agree with you on the parti prices I think they are way too high and should be priced in comparison to the traditional yorkie. I am a big believer in preserving the integrity of the standard. However I know parti yorkies have been around a long time arent going anywhere also parti owners love the colors of the parti yorkie and want it to be recognized by the ytca so I understand and sympathize with their plight. I just wish if there was more unity for what they are breeding for with the breeders. They dont have any standard so they arent breeding for specific traits as far as color and other traits also sometimes. It just seems alot of the breeders of the parti are breeding it to sell as a rare color for alot of money and I dont think that is doing any good for the yorkishire breed same as traditional yorkie breeders that are breeding for the tiniest yorkie they can get.
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For me, at that kind of price, I want a whole lot of pedigree behind the stud or the breeding female I buy. I want a very good health record in the lineage. The breeder better be dotting all the i's and crossing the t's there. Don't know if it is highway robbery or not; it all depends for me on the quality, the time invested by the breeder, their demonstrated commitment to the breed, through a number of ways.

There was a great thread here some time ago; that linked what an experienced "breeder" would ask questions of the breeder they are thinking to buy a pup from.

Unfortunately I can't find it right now.

But some of the questions are: 1) What type of activities are you involved in, in support of this breed 2) Are you a member of the local/national breed club? 3) Beyond conformation shows, are you actively involved in any performance sports with your breeding dogs...and if so, what sports? 4) What is the temperament testing protocol you follow when evaluating the litter - why?

For some folks perhaps many folks, these questions, might be a moot point. But the gist of her checklist, is primarily first to really think about why and what you want from this dog of this breed you are thinking of buying. What is important to you, as the purchaser?

My own criteria has and quite frankly still is developing, but has matured as I have, over the course of owning and breeding purebred dogs.

Perhaps for me One and Two absolutes almost at a tie are : Health and Temperament.

I want to insure for me that any dog I purchase has the best testing behind them to help to insure great health and structure.

Temperament: Apart from health, is perhaps the number one reason a whole lot of folks give up their dogs; they can't or don't want to spend the time, effort, and in some cases money to remediate any dog that shows for example aggressive behaviour; or is too fearfull/timid/anxious. Their dog nips Their dog bites. Their dog barks. Their dog is a submissive pee-er.


the inheritability of temperament is somewhat unclear; at least scientifically. How-ever there appears to be a causal relationship between the parents temperament and the offspring, which can be mitigated somewhat by their environment and proper up-bringing.
In other words if you breed two aggressive dogs together or two timid dogs together, you are highly likely to get a litter that in main will be either aggressive or timid.

Many breeders overlook temperament as secondary or even tertiary conformation. They would reluctantly pull or never pull from their breeding pool, dogs that exhibit temperament flaws, all else being very good (structure, coat, color, size). This is a failing in my belief.

For to breed any breed to the breed standard, temperament is a huge part of what a breed is.
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Is your Cali a parti yorkie?
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It's nothing but free interprise. If there is a market for an item, no matter what that item may be, there will be a producer to satify those market needs. To some, $50,000 is a drop in the bucket, I wish it was for me .
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Several of the members of the Colorful Yorkies.com site are members of this forum. Do you know how to do a YT search? You can find all the answers to your questions in many of the other threads right here. Just do a search for Parti Carrier and many threads will open. You should be able to connect the breeders from the site you are referring to with members of YT that breed parti yorkies. Good luck with your adventure.
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Actually, there is a standard for the Parti.. and the prices I've paid are no where near the prices that have been quoted in this thread. I have no idea who in their right mind (or any other mind for that matter) would pay that kind of $$, and I agree with you.. I'd be wondering what was up too!!

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There will always be people who try to sell things way higher than normal. I remember when I first started looking at yorkies - and I did searches online - OMgosh! There are some breeders, many of us know who they are, who sell yorkies online for 10k (very sick yorkies, I might add ). But he was marketing them as teacups, and micro teacups, and '1 pound adults' - etc; his prices were unreal. And his kennel was busted eventually, I believe. Those poor dogs, they lived in terrible conditions.

I have 2 yorkies w/ normal coloring, and 1 parti. My parti was $100 less than my Marcel - and Marcel was from a yorkie show breeder...a show breeder who has reasonable prices (I feel). So,it really depends on who you buy from.

Not all people support the breeding of partis or biewers, and that's okay here at YT. Some support it, some don't. But all are welcome.
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Why should a person buying a pet have to pay $3000.00? I understand why breeders want to protect their line but someone who just wants a nice pet should get a break.
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Well where I'm at you can't look at a Yorkie (any color) for under $2500.

Over $3000 is a norm.

Or you travel or have one shipped in it's a supply demand & market driven pricing here.

I have & LOVE my (purebred) Parti Yorkie, his original price was listed at $5k.(ridiculous!), I adopted him at 2-4 years old at a lesser amount.

Many "breeders" simply charge more because many unsuspecting buyers assume price equates to quality.

It's sad but especially in animal sales, scam artist know no bounds.
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Since being involved in these forums I have seen prices all over the place and like someone said it's a free market place so people can ask what they want if they can get if someone willing to pay their price regardless if the puppy meets breed standards. Buying from show breeders in the past I expected to pay more than I would from a pet breeder but this does not seem to be the case anymore. What gets me are breeders that only seem to be concerned with size, their adds or posts are like ; look at this pup, he will only be 2lbs, I want $2,500. Meanwhile the pup, has floopy ears, poor coloring, and a thin coat, but no one mentions that because they are to busy fawning over the fact he will only be 2lbs. LOL I guess I am old school but I thought you always paid less for the runt of the litter not more.

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It is a bit astounding what some people will pay for size or color, no interest in the breed standard. I believe because there are people out there that acquire for the wrong reasons the "greeders" assume there's a large market. I do feel bad for the entire situation, and would hope at the very least these pups aren't too unhealthy and having been purchased by someone of means, will live a happier life. In a sense, they are also rescues, not just purchased pets
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http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...-seller-2.html


I was just agreeing with someone on the above thread:

runts or so small they are special needs pups should simply be placed in appropriate homes to accommodate their special needs.

How horrible but say for no apparent reason a pup is born with (we has hamster like this) three legs and a partial stump-the line has no issue it was just the way it developed in the womb and most likely due to being squished with others in the litter-should a three legged dog be considered a rarity and sold at an astronomical price because it can get a really fashionable doggy wheel chair that can be bling-blinged out?

I see the tiny ones the same way-yes they will fit really well in a little purse and oh how handy is that but the health issues and everyday life issue they face make them special needs IMHO, not a rarity.

Now yes Parti's were rare prior in history and if you wanted to encourage those genes then yes they should have cost you more-back then...but to call them rare now is ridiculous.

In fact there is no reason they should cost more than a traditional IMHO.When the YTCA accepts them then the price should be equal.

Hope I don't start drama that's just my thoughts here.
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Are there any breeders out there that can explain the bulgy eye appearance of these poor little guys?
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I'm not a breeder but it's a common flaw in some breeds.

Here's some links about varying reasons that should further encourage buyers to beware.

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Warning: Bug-eyed dogs can pop out their eyes... - tribe.net
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