I Am Really Confused!

[chechinmipo]

I always check out puppy find to see all the puppies being sold. I always come across some beautiful ones from what seems to look like reputable breeders. Anyways, I am really confused because when selling puppies breeders usually sell breeding/show quality and pet quality. Well whats up with some offering if for pet something like $1500 and if full registration like $3500. I don't understand because if reputable breeders want the best than the puppies either are pet or show quality and if they keep their standards there should be no inbetween. If they are show quality then ask for what ever price and if they are pets same thing applies. Don't give any half ways asking triple the price if full registration. They either are or aren't a good example of the breed. Sorry, I just don't understand.

[chachi]

I think its because with full registration you can breed or stud them and have the pups registered and without it is just for a companion pet.

[suzu1]

I also don't understand the double standard there, they say they are pet quality but yet, they will give you full registration if you pad their pockets a bit more.
I wouldn't buy a pet from a breeder who charges more for full registration or one that demands spay/neuter.
I'd just keep on looking till I found the one for me.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by suzu1

I also don't understand the double standard there, they say they are pet quality but yet, they will give you full registration if you pad their pockets a bit more.
I wouldn't buy a pet from a breeder who charges more for full registration or one that demands spay/neuter.
I'd just keep on looking till I found the one for me.

Me either!!!!!!!! That's the first thing I asked when I was looking. I wanted a full registration. Some people don't care about papaers at all tho. But I still think the breeder should register her whole litter. I know one that only registers the ones that people want papers on. I also wouldn't even look at the ads when I was searching if they said spay/neutered contract. i may be wrong on this, and i don't expect anyone to agree, but I think a lot of breeders do that to keep down the competetion or protect their line. There is no reason I can see for a spay or neuter contract unless the female is too small to bred and that is hard to tell when the pups are being sold unless they are grown already. Please no breeders shoot me. that is just my opinion unless some of you can explain why the spay-neuter contract is needed if for reasons other than what I mentioned because I honestly don't understand why.

[Olivier]

I don't have spay/neuter on my pups . They are already done when they go to their new homes . If peoples are not happy , they just have to look somewhere else .

[shelbysmom]

Okay, I could be wrong on this so don't shoot me.

I think most breeders that actually show their dogs will only give you limited registration and require spaying. They keep the best examples to show.

And it appears that members of YTCA in their code of ethics require spaying of pets.

http://www.ytca.org/ethics.html

[ReesesMom]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Me either!!!!!!!! That's the first thing I asked when I was looking. I wanted a full registration. Some people don't care about papaers at all tho. But I still think the breeder should register her whole litter. I know one that only registers the ones that people want papers on. I also wouldn't even look at the ads when I was searching if they said spay/neutered contract. i may be wrong on this, and i don't expect anyone to agree, but I think a lot of breeders do that to keep down the competetion or protect their line. There is no reason I can see for a spay or neuter contract unless the female is too small to bred and that is hard to tell when the pups are being sold unless they are grown already. Please no breeders shoot me. that is just my opinion unless some of you can explain why the spay-neuter contract is needed if for reasons other than what I mentioned because I honestly don't understand why.

Maybe some breeders think that if they have a spay/neuther contact then the pups won't end up in the hands of people who only care about the pup for what they can get out of them and not love the pup. (like a puppy mill)....

[Gazou]

I've known a breeder that sold puppies without contracts to peoples who wanted beautiful pups. Some of those peoples start breeding as soon as those dogs were adults . Most of these buyers are puppymillers . I will never blame a breeder for placing strict spay/neuter contracts or even having the pups spayed or neutered before leaving the breeder's home.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Gazou

I've known a breeder that sold puppies without contracts to peoples who wanted beautiful pups. Some of those peoples start breeding as soon as those dogs were adults . Most of these buyers are puppymillers . I will never blame a breeder for placing strict spay/neuter contracts or even having the pups spayed or neutered before leaving the breeder's home.

Well, I am not trying to start anything, I just don't understand it.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Olivier

I don't have spay/neuter on my pups . They are already done when they go to their new homes . If peoples are not happy , they just have to look somewhere else .

can you tell all us novices why?

[SnowWa]

I have a registered "pet-quality" bichon. He is a purebred and is registered, but his papers say that he cannot be bred -- rather, they say that any puppies he fathers cannot be registered.

The reason for this is that my little bichon has a "corkscrew tail." This is a very undesirable trait for this little dog -- as far as meeting the AKC standards go. And, because a reputable breeder does not want this trait to be carried any further --they ask that this little dog not be bred. This would only cause more Bichons to have this nonstandard trait.

Good breeders have litters and often some little pups in these litters will have faults that do not meet the standards of the breed. They are purebred, beautiful, healthy little pups, and they make very loveable little pets. But they are considered pet quality (and sell for less) and cannot be shown (in the larger more important shows), and they should not be bred

******** Both of my bichons parent's are beautiful show dogs who have won many shows. But, here came this little pup with a "corkscrew tail." He must have gotten that gene from his great grandfather or something. Otherwise, he is a perfect example of the bichon breed.

All reputable breeders strive to meet the highest standards of a breed. When they are successful, they have a wonderful little pup that can be shown and bred. When a little puppy doesn't meet the standards of a breed, you get a wonderful little pet-quality puppy that is just as happy, healthy, and loveable as the others.

Since most of us don't show or breed (and we neuter our pets), we should be very happy with a pet-quality little dog. Often, their faults can't even be detected by anyone but an expert. And, of course, out little pet-quality pups don't cost as much.

My little Yorkie is pet quality --and I don't have a clue why. He looks like a perfect little Yorkie to me. But, when you read the AKC standards for the breed, he must have some little thing that doesn't meet the standard. Maybe his ears are too big - who knows!

Anyway -- I believe it is very important and responsible to differentiate between "show quality" and "pet-quality" when you raise any breed of dog. This is what maintains the high quality of the different breeds.


Carol Jean

[ttreatsyorkies]

When I look to buy a pup I want the best I can get. That means I will pay more too. My family bred bassetts when I was younger and when we went to look at getting a new pup we were only given choice from the ones that held imperfections; the ones that did not have show potential. Breeding to improve the lines I think is great, but to charge a person astronomical prices for a pup that is near perfect is not fair neither. A spay and neuter contract I think is great on the pups that have traits that are not going to improve the line. This will stop people from continuing the poor quality. I'm not saying that that dog wont produce great pups, but it has the potential to produce pups with a flaw that is not wanted. There are many pros and cons to having a pup spayed before they are old enough as well. That is why most breeders want a spay/neuter contract. There is a lot of money involved in raising good healthy pups. Whether they are show quality or pet quality the price to care for them is no different, unless you hold onto the show quality longer so you can better see their potential. A lot of the price factor in show quality pups comes from the fact that the parents are from great stock and it cost the breeders money to have thier pups recognized as so. Breeding quality pups is a business, and the hours are long. I know that the last litter I had I only made about $1 an hour from them, and that did not include the money that had to be put into them to make sure that they had the best of care. So when you are looking for a pup dont just look at the price, look at the owners as well and what their reputation is. Trust your instinct not your eyes, because all pups are cute and can win you over. If you are a person who is looking to breed invest in your pup and in the breeder you buy from.

[suzu1]

Still none of that explains why anyone would say I'll sell him to you on a limited registration for x amount but that amount will go up 1000.00 for a full registration, just lining of their pockets plain and simple.
And yes there is puppymillers out there, I'm not one of them even tho I wouldn't buy on a spay/neuter contract. I have two pet dogs both males, a poodle and a yorkie. But who knows maybe one of these days I may want to breed them to someones female.
I haven't bred tigger yet he's 6 years old and I'm thinking about having him neutered after the first of the year, but its my choice and not one someone has forced upon me.
If I had a female and was breeding her, I would ask for references of anyone buying my pups and one of those references would have to be from a vet, I think that discourages alot of puppymillers buying from good breeders, so they get their pups from other sources, some people will sell to anyone.
I actually owned Tiggers (my poodle) mom and yes I did breed her and she had some gorgeous puppys. I never had the chance to actually sell any pups as they were all given to family and friends and we kept Tigger for ourselves.
And now that his mom has passed on I'm so happy that we did decide to breed her as we still have a part of her with us.
His siblings are all in loving homes with familys who love them.
Yes I was out money myself from the shots and docks but thats ok, cause I know my babies are in good homes, and that was what mattered to me.

[SnowWa]

My pet-quality bichon cost $800. The puppies with a high potential for being show-quality puppies from the same litter cost $1800 to $2200.

By the way - the "corkscrew tail" doesn't really even show - what happens is that instead of a longer tail lying across the back ---his little tail is less long and is a very fluffy ball of white fluff more toward his rear.

Some people prefer this tail as far as looks - it's like a fluffy little bunny tail ----but it is a fault as far as the standard goes.

I was going to neuter my dog anyway. His being pet quality has nothing to do with that. All my pets are neutered.

By the way, I saw a little female Yorkie pup for sale on the Internet (New York) for $3600. She was by far the absolutely most beautiful little Yorkie I have ever seen. And, she came from a long line of show champions --of course.

But - I want only a pet. She would have been spayed and never shown, and I thought that this would have been a shame --- considering the potential in this little girl for breeding and her likelihood to carry on championship lines in her family, she should go to a home that loves her to death and can appreciate her in ways that I couldn't.

I knew I could get another little Yorkie for a lot less and not show it or have puppies and be just as happy and love it just as much. And, that is what I did, and I did get a little angel of a guy. He's good looking and about as cute as he can be. He's perfect for me. He cost $850. It may be only his size that won't meet Yorkie standards. I think he is going to be about 10 pounds. He really is a very good looking little Yorkie.

Carol Jean

[troubletb]

People can ask whatever they want for their puppies. If some stupid people pay that much money for a "pet Quality" dog, then they are just that STUPID!! LOL