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Harbinger · 03-01-2005, 06:18 PM

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I'm not going to say anything beyond the fact that my freinds pom was killed by a pitpull and his wife mauled (bad cuts on hands, trauma) in the same incident. I can see the park where it happened from my balcony and I have a Yorkie that will top out at about 4 pounds. I'm torn on the decision because I really do believe it comes down to the owner, but.... my friends dog was killed by one.

natalie · 03-01-2005, 06:20 PM

Wow! I have to agree that a lot of pit bulls I've encountered have been very vicious, or look real vicious. I'm not sure if I agree with the bill or not, because it really does depend on the person raising them. I don't know much about the genetics of pit bulls though.

orinskye · 03-01-2005, 06:25 PM

i have had first hand experience with a pit bull, and she was VERY sweet and not agressive at all............. Until........ one night she was sleeping in bed with my friends son and bit him (he might have made a sudden movement or kicked her

...... but regardless) The people that say "it all depends on hwo you raise them" are dead wrong! My friend still has the pitbull (they opted to KEEP it!!!!!!!

) but they are much more careful with her. These people have never laid a hand on this dog, and were a most loving family, this dog WAS raised right and it still acted out. These dogs are instinctually agressive dogs, this is what they were bred for, the most loving family and "raised right" dog can attack,

russell04 · 03-01-2005, 06:32 PM

I am very sorry to hear about your friend and her dog, but you know the saying there is no such a thing as a bad dog, just bad owners? I used to work at a shelter that took in mostly pit bulls, and you wouldnt believe some of the things I have seen, very heartbreaking what people do to these dogs!!! But make no mistake if they come from the right blood line and are raised properly these dogs can make the best pets, just as any other dog would!! I know dogs that arent pit bulls but would still go after a small dog. My aunt owns two pit bulls plus three other different breeds of dogs, and one of the pit bulls she rescued from the shelter i used to work at and the dog was used for fighting before, but she couldnt be a better pet (not all dogs that were fought like that end up being good dogs!) and her dog gets along well with everyone! She couldnt be sweeter. I really dont think it is fair to ban a certain breed of dog. I think it is really quite sad

StewiesMom · 03-01-2005, 06:41 PM

This story breaks my heart. I cannot believe that a city would ban a certain breed of dogs. I am not overly familiar (ie I don't own one) with Pitties, but I think they're great and beautiful. What about Dobermans and Rottweilers? I love both of them as well, but my friend's yorkie was eaten by a Rottweiler and her Maltese was hurt as well in the same incident. To be perfectly blunt -- this PISSES me off royally.

Harbinger · 03-01-2005, 07:36 PM

WE get too many pitbull incidents here in Toronto and the Humane Society is packed with them. You go to adopt a dog and 90 % are pitbulls or pibull mixes, no lying. I don't so much think it's the breed (though I do a bit) but the owner. Problem is, the wrong people want them! Let's just say they are a VERY popular breed with drug dealers.

stacisnyder04 · 03-01-2005, 07:37 PM

I know a guy who has one and she is the sweetest dog ever! I also agree with you Harbinger the wrong people want them, becuase of there rep.

Connie · 03-01-2005, 08:02 PM

The city I live in banned pitbulls a few years ago. I have to say I feel safer taking my little yorkie on a walk knowing there are no pitbulls nearby, as pitbulls are aggressive towards dogs and many times humans. I'm sure some pitbulls are not that way, but they are known to be aggressive and that usually doesn't show up in them until they are between 1 and 3. I'd hate to buy a puppy and a few years later have him/her turn on me or someone else...I just wouldn't want to take the chance! I saw a show on Animal Planet a few nights ago where a pitbull attacked another dog and when a man tried to stop the fight, his arm was torn to pieces by the pitbull! I hope not to upset anyone here, but I am glad we have the ban on pitbulls in my city.

Harbinger · 03-01-2005, 08:12 PM

Just so you know how big this decision is.... This is how big Ontario is.

The population of Ontario is projected to grow by 33.4 per cent or 3.8 million, from an estimated 11.5 million on July 1, 1999 to almost 15.4 million on July 1, 2028. The population reaches 13.5 million under the low growth scenario and 16.6 million under the high growth scenario by 2028.

milliecorrales · 03-01-2005, 09:13 PM

I am sorry but I think that Pit Bulls should be outlawed everywhere. Some univeristy did a study on pit bulls and found out that there is a neurological problem with pits and that they have a "short" in their brains that will turn the most gentle pit vicious. We have had a lot of incidents with young children mauled and killed by pit bulls here. I think that they should be outlawed. I have one idiot neighbor here in the complex that thinks it is funny to threaten other people and their dogs (including me and mine) with their pit bulls, he also thinks it is funny to "sic" his dog on cats and watch the dog kill them. I have tried to get managment to get rid of this man and his dog and am still workign on it.

Titamatic · 03-01-2005, 09:20 PM

My cousin in Puerto Rico was killed by a pitbull, and the pitbull was described as the sweetest thing in the world. Pit bulls are bad dogs regardless if you train them good or bad, they attack. I remember hearing in high school that pitbulls are Hitlers dogs, I think he was the one that invented them, but I doubt that is true. I do know that he used them to kill Jewish people. They banned Pitbulls in Miami, where my parents live. Those animals are extremely vicous and very dangerous to be around children. I would never have an animal that vicous around my family, especally what happened to my cousin. The dog wasn't even hers it belonged to the neighbor.

Kota · 03-01-2005, 10:13 PM

I know whenever I take Kota for a walk, if I see one comming a mile away, I pick him up right away. Kota is one of those dogs that has to say hi to every other dog he sees. And I just think dogs like pit bull, dober, rots may not have the patience for Kota. And may just find him irritating. I myself find myself even more cautious when walking by one. I do agree I think they are just that way.

Sonya

orinskye · 03-01-2005, 10:16 PM

only one person for pitbull rights??? im a little surprised i kinda thought there might be more..... you are entitled to your opinion of course russel, but i have to say........ i know better..... have had lots of experience with pits and they just arent predictable, (and so you dont get teh wrong idea..... it is not just pittys that i am a little turned off by)....... i dont like the unpredictability of larger dobermins and i am 50/50 on rotttweilers, and german shepards i really have to know because those are also a dog that people use as attack dogs and you just never know (the ones ive met are really sweet, but as i said.... you never can tell)...... of course as all small dog owners, most of us are pretty much REALLY carefull with our babies around larger dogs, am i right???? again, this is only my opinion and you are entitled to yours russel, but i would rather be safe than sorry

fasteddie · 03-01-2005, 10:33 PM

I really dislike pitbulls myself, but banning them seems extreme to me. Is there any way they can be muzzled in public or something? Are they still dangerous then (by mauling or something)? I'd never let Yoda play with one of course, just not sure what to think of a whole ban on one specific breed, since there are other vicious larger breeds out there as well.

Babbie · 03-02-2005, 07:21 AM

Here i go...i have a very close and personal relationship with pits. I even posted pictures some weeks ago of Mojo and my friends pit (who, i have to say, was found on the street a few months ago and is just the sweetest thing, thinks he is a lap dog and is scared of Mojo..hehehe)

Now, about the breed, we cannot and should not sugar coat it...it is a fighting breed and regardless on how it was raised, fighting will always be in the genes. Now, i have to go back into that, pits are not for everybody and require many many special cares that other dogs don't have. Contrary to popular believe, not all pits will atack, and specially humans it is very rare and i have to say that at least 99% of the times a pit attacks a person there is problems with the way it was raised to begin with. They were bred to fight animals and to PROTECT people...not attack them so it is against their nature to do that.

It is an outrage to me any gov't that bans a specific breed, i agree with making certain rules for certain breeds but not to ban it. If you go by statistics you will see that pits are almost the last breed in occurences of attacks, the problem is, they are very powerful animals and don;t give up, they fight until they die...but did you know that rotts still have a more powerful bite than pits? And that is more likely i lab will bite you than a pit?

I don;t there there has been a breed that has suffered more discrimination that pits...on one side are people that just consider them cold blooded killing machines (and not, it is not an exageration..) and on the other, so called owners who refuse to accept what the breed really is (fighting dogs) and also the people who just exploits that

(please see this video http://www.deviantart.com/view/11454716/ )

Just as a note, recently in Brazil a HUSKY, that is know as a very friendly laid back breed killed a baby...so accidents can happen with ANY breed, so does it mean we should ban all large breed dogs???

03-01-2005, 06:18 PM	#1
Harbinger Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 371	Ontario Bans PitBulls Link I'm not going to say anything beyond the fact that my freinds pom was killed by a pitpull and his wife mauled (bad cuts on hands, trauma) in the same incident. I can see the park where it happened from my balcony and I have a Yorkie that will top out at about 4 pounds. I'm torn on the decision because I really do believe it comes down to the owner, but.... my friends dog was killed by one.

03-01-2005, 06:41 PM	#5
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	This story breaks my heart. I cannot believe that a city would ban a certain breed of dogs. I am not overly familiar (ie I don't own one) with Pitties, but I think they're great and beautiful. What about Dobermans and Rottweilers? I love both of them as well, but my friend's yorkie was eaten by a Rottweiler and her Maltese was hurt as well in the same incident. To be perfectly blunt -- this PISSES me off royally. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

03-01-2005, 07:37 PM	#7
stacisnyder04 I Love My Boys Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,504	I know a guy who has one and she is the sweetest dog ever! I also agree with you Harbinger the wrong people want them, becuase of there rep. __________________ Staci , Cosmo, Astro, and Blu (RIP) Cosmo's Age: http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt...k/d69e/age.png Astro's Age: http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt...k/9c6a/age.png

03-01-2005, 09:13 PM	#10
milliecorrales YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 516	Pit Bulls I am sorry but I think that Pit Bulls should be outlawed everywhere. Some univeristy did a study on pit bulls and found out that there is a neurological problem with pits and that they have a "short" in their brains that will turn the most gentle pit vicious. We have had a lot of incidents with young children mauled and killed by pit bulls here. I think that they should be outlawed. I have one idiot neighbor here in the complex that thinks it is funny to threaten other people and their dogs (including me and mine) with their pit bulls, he also thinks it is funny to "sic" his dog on cats and watch the dog kill them. I have tried to get managment to get rid of this man and his dog and am still workign on it.

03-01-2005, 10:13 PM	#12
Kota YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: We live outside of Seattle, WA Posts: 6	I know whenever I take Kota for a walk, if I see one comming a mile away, I pick him up right away. Kota is one of those dogs that has to say hi to every other dog he sees. And I just think dogs like pit bull, dober, rots may not have the patience for Kota. And may just find him irritating. I myself find myself even more cautious when walking by one. I do agree I think they are just that way. Sonya __________________ Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. -Roger Caras

03-01-2005, 06:20 PM	#2
natalie Owned by Fred Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,352	Wow! I have to agree that a lot of pit bulls I've encountered have been very vicious, or look real vicious. I'm not sure if I agree with the bill or not, because it really does depend on the person raising them. I don't know much about the genetics of pit bulls though.

03-01-2005, 06:25 PM	#3
orinskye YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,990	i have had first hand experience with a pit bull, and she was VERY sweet and not agressive at all............. Until........ one night she was sleeping in bed with my friends son and bit him (he might have made a sudden movement or kicked her ...... but regardless) The people that say "it all depends on hwo you raise them" are dead wrong! My friend still has the pitbull (they opted to KEEP it!!!!!!! ) but they are much more careful with her. These people have never laid a hand on this dog, and were a most loving family, this dog WAS raised right and it still acted out. These dogs are instinctually agressive dogs, this is what they were bred for, the most loving family and "raised right" dog can attack,

03-01-2005, 06:32 PM	#4
russell04 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Suburbs, Chicago Posts: 54	I am very sorry to hear about your friend and her dog, but you know the saying there is no such a thing as a bad dog, just bad owners? I used to work at a shelter that took in mostly pit bulls, and you wouldnt believe some of the things I have seen, very heartbreaking what people do to these dogs!!! But make no mistake if they come from the right blood line and are raised properly these dogs can make the best pets, just as any other dog would!! I know dogs that arent pit bulls but would still go after a small dog. My aunt owns two pit bulls plus three other different breeds of dogs, and one of the pit bulls she rescued from the shelter i used to work at and the dog was used for fighting before, but she couldnt be a better pet (not all dogs that were fought like that end up being good dogs!) and her dog gets along well with everyone! She couldnt be sweeter. I really dont think it is fair to ban a certain breed of dog. I think it is really quite sad

03-01-2005, 07:36 PM	#6
Harbinger Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 371	WE get too many pitbull incidents here in Toronto and the Humane Society is packed with them. You go to adopt a dog and 90 % are pitbulls or pibull mixes, no lying. I don't so much think it's the breed (though I do a bit) but the owner. Problem is, the wrong people want them! Let's just say they are a VERY popular breed with drug dealers.

03-01-2005, 08:02 PM	#8
Connie Loved by Maddie & Libby Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Dakota Posts: 10,732	The city I live in banned pitbulls a few years ago. I have to say I feel safer taking my little yorkie on a walk knowing there are no pitbulls nearby, as pitbulls are aggressive towards dogs and many times humans. I'm sure some pitbulls are not that way, but they are known to be aggressive and that usually doesn't show up in them until they are between 1 and 3. I'd hate to buy a puppy and a few years later have him/her turn on me or someone else...I just wouldn't want to take the chance! I saw a show on Animal Planet a few nights ago where a pitbull attacked another dog and when a man tried to stop the fight, his arm was torn to pieces by the pitbull! I hope not to upset anyone here, but I am glad we have the ban on pitbulls in my city.

03-01-2005, 08:12 PM	#9
Harbinger Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 371	Just so you know how big this decision is.... This is how big Ontario is. The population of Ontario is projected to grow by 33.4 per cent or 3.8 million, from an estimated 11.5 million on July 1, 1999 to almost 15.4 million on July 1, 2028. The population reaches 13.5 million under the low growth scenario and 16.6 million under the high growth scenario by 2028.

03-01-2005, 09:20 PM	#11
Titamatic Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York City. Posts: 28	My cousin in Puerto Rico was killed by a pitbull, and the pitbull was described as the sweetest thing in the world. Pit bulls are bad dogs regardless if you train them good or bad, they attack. I remember hearing in high school that pitbulls are Hitlers dogs, I think he was the one that invented them, but I doubt that is true. I do know that he used them to kill Jewish people. They banned Pitbulls in Miami, where my parents live. Those animals are extremely vicous and very dangerous to be around children. I would never have an animal that vicous around my family, especally what happened to my cousin. The dog wasn't even hers it belonged to the neighbor.

03-01-2005, 10:16 PM	#13
orinskye YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: California Posts: 2,990	only one person for pitbull rights??? im a little surprised i kinda thought there might be more..... you are entitled to your opinion of course russel, but i have to say........ i know better..... have had lots of experience with pits and they just arent predictable, (and so you dont get teh wrong idea..... it is not just pittys that i am a little turned off by)....... i dont like the unpredictability of larger dobermins and i am 50/50 on rotttweilers, and german shepards i really have to know because those are also a dog that people use as attack dogs and you just never know (the ones ive met are really sweet, but as i said.... you never can tell)...... of course as all small dog owners, most of us are pretty much REALLY carefull with our babies around larger dogs, am i right???? again, this is only my opinion and you are entitled to yours russel, but i would rather be safe than sorry

03-01-2005, 10:33 PM	#14
fasteddie *YT 6000 Club Member* Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,238	I really dislike pitbulls myself, but banning them seems extreme to me. Is there any way they can be muzzled in public or something? Are they still dangerous then (by mauling or something)? I'd never let Yoda play with one of course, just not sure what to think of a whole ban on one specific breed, since there are other vicious larger breeds out there as well.

03-02-2005, 07:21 AM	#15
Babbie Got Mojo? Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 1,117	Here i go...i have a very close and personal relationship with pits. I even posted pictures some weeks ago of Mojo and my friends pit (who, i have to say, was found on the street a few months ago and is just the sweetest thing, thinks he is a lap dog and is scared of Mojo..hehehe) Now, about the breed, we cannot and should not sugar coat it...it is a fighting breed and regardless on how it was raised, fighting will always be in the genes. Now, i have to go back into that, pits are not for everybody and require many many special cares that other dogs don't have. Contrary to popular believe, not all pits will atack, and specially humans it is very rare and i have to say that at least 99% of the times a pit attacks a person there is problems with the way it was raised to begin with. They were bred to fight animals and to PROTECT people...not attack them so it is against their nature to do that. It is an outrage to me any gov't that bans a specific breed, i agree with making certain rules for certain breeds but not to ban it. If you go by statistics you will see that pits are almost the last breed in occurences of attacks, the problem is, they are very powerful animals and don;t give up, they fight until they die...but did you know that rotts still have a more powerful bite than pits? And that is more likely i lab will bite you than a pit? I don;t there there has been a breed that has suffered more discrimination that pits...on one side are people that just consider them cold blooded killing machines (and not, it is not an exageration..) and on the other, so called owners who refuse to accept what the breed really is (fighting dogs) and also the people who just exploits that (please see this video http://www.deviantart.com/view/11454716/ ) Just as a note, recently in Brazil a HUSKY, that is know as a very friendly laid back breed killed a baby...so accidents can happen with ANY breed, so does it mean we should ban all large breed dogs??? Last edited by Babbie; 03-02-2005 at 07:35 AM.