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11-15-2005, 09:42 AM | #1 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama
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| My email from CKC I often read comparisons between the guidelines/regulations, etc between CKC and ACK. Since I am a (honest) CKC breeder, I constantly feel the need to defend those of us CKC people who do things the right way. Anyway, I contacted CKC with some questions regarding their policy on registered mixed breeds and how they handle situations that arise with accusations that a registered 'purebred' is not purebred at all. Below was the response I got from them...just sharing in case any are interested: RESPONSE: As far as the mixed breeds go, as long as both parents are CKC registered, you can register the litter of puppies. The puppies will be non-purebred and will be listed as a miscellaneous breed with the names of the two breeds that have been mixed. Their certificates will clearly be stamped non-purebred. If a purchaser questions that their dog is not purebred, we then require a written, formal complaint to be filed. This complaint, once recieved back in our office with written statement about the situation, is investigated. Depending on the situation, DNA testing and PEA (Photo Enhancement Analysis) testing may be required. The Photo Enhancement Analysis is a test that requires a veterinarian statement and several photos to be submitted. Once the complaint is investigated further and both parties are contacted, CKC will make a decision on what to do from there. This may include revoking the rights of the breeder with CKC. Thank you, |
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11-15-2005, 09:46 AM | #2 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama
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| Oh yeah... BTW, here is the email I sent to them to begin with: Hello, First let me start by stating that I am currently the owner of and breeder of 2 CKC registered Yorkshire Terriers. My dogs are registered solely with your organization. I have been completely satisfied with my choice to own and pursue breeding under the CKC. However, in my doing so, I have run across some issues regarding the CKC in my correspondence with others that I want to research further as to better my own knowledge of the situation. I am sure that it will not come to any shock to you when I say that I frequently find myself defending the reputation and integrity of the CKC when compared to the American Kennel Club (AKC). I have heard every comparison imaginable. It is very often that I hear claims that the AKC is much more strict in regards to ensuring that it’s registered “purebred” dogs are just that, “PUREBRED.” I guess my point in contacting your organization is in the hopes that you could give me an official ‘answer’ to some of the questions I have in regards to the claims I hear regarding CKC. 1) I have heard claims that the CKC allows for the registry of “mixed breeds” i.e. Yorkie-Poos, Malti-Poos, etc. Could you please verify if this information is correct? I searched the site, but could not find anything to either confirm or deny this. 2) I have also defended the CKC after being confronted with claims that no ‘follow-up’ is ever made to ensure the status of registered offspring as ‘purebred’ or that the information regarding the reported dam/sire of a litter is correct. I can only imagine such an investigation would only be made by the CKC if a complaint was made in regards to a breeders practice. I am away that the CKC is subject to requiring breeders to prove their dam/sire claims via DNA+ test. My question is, what action would be required to warrant such an investigation? A complaint made by the owner of a registered puppy/dog sold by the breeder? I am just curious… 3) Also, I noticed that the breeder’s rights can be revoked if it is proven that they have falsified the provided information. Do these sanctions placed on the breeder apply to their status as a breeder as a whole, or just in relevance to the dam/sire/litter in question? As I stated before, I have never had any complaints in regards to my dealing with CKC. My motivation is to have some things ‘officially’ clarified so that I am fully aware of all of the ‘facts’ in dealing with the CKC. Thank You for your help! |
11-15-2005, 12:56 PM | #3 |
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| My best friend is a yorkie-poo breeder. She is on her 2nd colony at this time and is hoping to establish the breed once and for all and set the standard. She has worked at this for years. She has informed me that the CKC will be doing in home inspections in the near future. Being that they have been around for only 14 years i believe, I guess it has taken time to become established. I get really tired myself of hearing all the registry bashing that goes on on the internet. It's quite ridiculous and I feel that if you don't want a dog from a certain registry, then dont buy it and go on about your business without trying to downgrade one registry against another. I'm sure that all the registries out there have millers using them regardless to their status. I'm also glad to know that there is atleast one registry who will register the offspring of 2 pure bred dogs. Would you like to know the kicker to this? once the two pure breds have produced pups, if one of those pups is mated to another pup just like it (from different parents, for example: a yorkie poo mated to a yorkie poo from totally different parents) then the CKC will not register the pups from the second generation of the mix breeding! Does that sound like they are only in it for the money? I think not. That is why you must work for years to establish a new breed and your colonies before they would be able to register the offspring of 2 mixes. I hear so much that people dont like ckc because they will register mix breeds. Why yes they will! And someday, those little mixes may become a true breed just like our yorkies did many many many yrs ago. I for one don't have a problem with it. I like AKC and CKC. And neither are perfect! And I will also say this...if my friend is sucessfull in establishing her y-poos as a breed someday, I plan to join her and start my own colony. I'll always have my purebred yorkies...they are my heart and soul, but I'm also interested in other things. There are alot of breeders out there who will think of me as mud after reading this. I could care less what anyone thinks of me or what I do. I've done just fine for many yrs without the approval of anyone. So if you like the CKC, then dont let anyone try to be-little you because of it. |
11-15-2005, 01:25 PM | #4 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama
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| Thanks...couldn't have said it better...! |
11-15-2005, 01:25 PM | #5 |
Donating YT 14K Club Member | Very interesting. They will register two totally different breeds as long as they're both CKC registered. The only difference is that they have a mixed breed stamp on their papers? I can see why this is confusing to people that do not know better.
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11-15-2005, 02:38 PM | #6 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina
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| yes. on my friend's certificates for the offspring of the yorkie/poodle matings, it says not a pure bred. you have to establish a certain number of different non-related colonies of the mix before they will even consider you to form a new breed of dog. It takes years. And they will put you through the ringer with dna testing before the final outcome. She is working so very hard to be the first to actually establish the new breed. If she does, she will have a huge influence on the breed standard. |
11-15-2005, 06:56 PM | #7 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Alberta ... Canada
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| I'm assuming CKC refers to the Continental Kennel Club and not the Canadian Kennel Club. |
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11-15-2005, 08:18 PM | #9 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: alabama
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| I understand the registering of a mix from two purebreds. But why then will they not register the offspring from two mixes from the same purebred? How do they expect you to come to get to what they would eventually consider a purebreed. |
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11-15-2005, 08:47 PM | #11 |
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| i know it's complicated. i was too at first. but you must understand that ckc recognizes breeders who wish to start a new breed. and they don't make it easy. a breeder must establish 5 colonies of non-related dogs to even be considered. by colony i mean 2 generations of the mix. anyone attempting this gets a hats off from me. |
11-16-2005, 05:59 PM | #12 | |
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